Abortion Doctor found guilty of murder following late-term abortions

[Harlemura]

- His practice was staffed by unqualified people, and was kept in a filthy condition, with a raid turning up foetal remains stored in bags and bottles.

Oh geez, I know the whole story is horrible, but this part is just straight up nasty. Like, he's just leaving lumps of unborn baby lying around to be thrown in the bin later. Eurgh.

Anyway, as others have said, I hope everyone sees this as a doctor going bezerk in terms of the Hippocratic Oath rather than a whole case as to why abortion shouldn't be allowed.
I'm all for preventing a baby being born into a horrible life with no future prospects, but not if you have to sever anything.
With freakin' scissors.

 

[MeChaNiZ3D]

What this doctor did is hardly representative of proper abortions. While I will accept that fetuses are life, and that it is not of absolute value and can be sacrificed for many reasons, killing it after it's been born is...pretty horrific.

What I'd like to know is whether the 'mothers' were complicit or not. And if not, I bet they'll have a nasty shock when they hear.

 

[Maevine]

o.0

abortion = okay
chopping already delivered babies up = not okay

I'm going to go look at kittens now. My brain is too full of crying.

 

[AlbertoDeSanta]

It does not change my opinions on abortion, which I shall keep to myself. But it really shows the depravity of some Women and this particular Doctor. Most people in this thread thus far have only considered the Doctor in this case. But the women MUST have wanted it to be apart, or he'd have kidnapping charges as well as murder. I think these mothers should be punished as harshly as he, whether by the Death Penalty or serious imprisonment. I'm glad I'm not the Judge, as this would be a hard decision for him/her to make.

TL;DR the women need investigating, as clearly shown by the facts, they CHOSE to be there and were not forced into this. Fucking sickening that this happens.

 

[knight steel]

I guess you could say that this guy had:
A thankless job
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAHH
Anyway is it bad that I was more disturbed/upset/angry over the unhealthy conditions than the actual abortion/murder whatever you want to call it I mean if your going to do this at least be professional and keep a clean work environment .

Also curious what's separates this from an abortion is it because it outside the body?
What if he killed it while it was inside the mother just before it was due to be born?
Is it the time it was done-what time is the cut off point and why.
When it can live independently?Why?what about those that are old/sick and have to rely on other's is it ok to kill them after all they aren't independant?
When it can feel pain?Why?Animals feel pain and we slaughter them anyway if it's just physical feeling that matter why are they different?
When it's capable of thought?Why?We kill people capable of thought all the time when we no longer like/want them such as the death penalty for criminals-war's with enemy soldiers ect ect.

 

[Sansha]

Holy good lord this is terrifying. I actually felt physically ill reading about this.

This isn't abortion. This cannot be logically turned into an argument against abortion. If anything this is an argument of what happens when women are either unable or too shamed to go to a licensed clinic.

To the fucking gallows with this lunatic.

 

[manic_depressive13]

Also curious what's separates this from an abortion is it because it outside the body?

Abortion is about a woman's right to determine what happens to her own body. Her right to self determination outweighs the infant's right to life. Once an infant is no longer part of her body that right no longer applies.

I don't actually find killing a newborn child morally objectionable, but legally I think the easiest place to draw the line is at birth.

 

[Strazdas]

This is no abortion, this is murder of an infant. Abortion by definition is not allowing it to be born.
This is a simple case of a murderiuos doctor who went on about his business from a uncontrolled hospital. something like those cheap horror movie scenarios really.

 

[Boris Goodenough]

I can't find the place where it says they were premature born, it says they were aborted as late as almost 30 weeks.
To play devils advocate, is it better to let the baby suffer for 20 min in exhausting pain or ending its life?
This reminds me of one of the friends of the family who is a medical professor in neonatology who talked about infants surviving for 8 hours when born prematurely at 24 weeks in despite they having no statistical chance of survival beyond 30 min.

When do we set the limit? Medical science will keep on lowering the chance of survival of small children earlier and earlier but they suffer so dearly later on in life with lack of motor functions and organ functions and so on.

 

[launchpadmcqwak]

Disgusting. I'm all for abortion, but killing the poor thing AFTER it's been born is just monstruous. I mean you already gave birth, what's stopping you from delivering it to an orphanage?

Evidently, a pair of scissors.
Apologies, that was a horrible, horrible remark.

This isn't at all a demonstration of how pro-abortion is barbaric.
No, this is a demonstration of a sick individual doing sick things within a sick environment.
Just as a chef can cook up domestic pets that they found and serve them to unwitting customers, just as someone can walk into school with a multitude of firearms. Those aren't normal actions for your typical restaurant or school, and they most certainly aren't normal people doing the action.

But what I find most asinine of all, is the defense lawyer in this case.
In 2009, the man's grossly under-qualified staff administered a lethal dosage of a drug to a patient.
The lawyer states that it was "medical complications", implying that it was a regular procedure undertaken by a staff with credentials and an unforeseeable tragedy that occurred. But in reality, it just malpractice and criminal negligence. For this case, the lawyers are stating that it is simply due to the doctor's ethnicity that he was targeted with charges.

What in the actual fuck.
Have they done a comparison between a qualified abortion clinic and this grizzly shack?
Have they seen the results of the "doctor's" work? Have they heard him describe his procedure?
It sometimes boggles my mind the shit that lawyers will say to get paid.

Sir your remark was beautiful.


OT: I'm pro abortion and i think that psychopath got what he deserved. but hey maybe if legitimate humane abortion wasn't looked down upon so much none of this would have happened?...maybe?

 

[Galletea]

I have to admit, I feel very little in terms of the actual crime. Desperate people will turn to desperate measures, and in these cases the only way to do it was to give birth prematurely and then kill the baby. That in itself doesn't shock me or upset me. I imagine some of these babies would have been born on a kitchen floor and then killed anyway, if they are that desperate to get rid of it.

I feel more towards the women who feel that their only option is to go to somewhere like this, and that carrying the child to full term and giving it up would be more awful for them. These women were just too late for a proper abortion, here in the UK is it 22 weeks I think. They say in the article that one was nearly 30 weeks, which is close to full term, but in the majority it appears to be about the 25 weeks.

I am pro abortion, I suppose it is pro choice, since I don't think abortions are a thing to be taken lightly. There are many reasons why women need to not have a baby, although the system is open to abuse by careless and thoughtless people, and I think need to start asking whether we should be saving babies born at 23 weeks when their lives are so highly likely to be short and painful. Just because they can, does that mean they should?

I think there will always be desperate women who feel they have no where else to turn, and so there will always be a man like this prepared to do whatever is necessary.

 

[launchpadmcqwak]

I'm as big a fan of abortion as anyone. To the point where i think it should be mandatory unless you can prove that you have at least $250,000 on deposit somewhere strictly allocated to the child's upbringing. But this is not abortion. This is straight up murder. Not malpractice. However i also don't believe that the death penalty is appropriate. He should be made to endure life in prison among understanding inmates. I do however think that his own spinal cord should be appropriately damaged enough to cause paralysis and then left to the tender mercy of the other inmates in general population. Even if they take pity on him and choose to help him live, he will have to live as helpless and reliant as an infant.

Something tells me you could use a holiday in Saudi Arabia my friend.

 

[Megacherv]

Wait, aborting a foetus after the allowed period? Surely that's just medical malpracti-

*reads that he birthed and THEN killed them*

-...oh...right...

 

[Froggy Slayer]

Wait, so this isn't abortion at all. Misleading title is misleading. -_-

Well, it's a retroactive abortion.

I always thought that retroactive abortion was where you go back in time to kill either party that conceived the child in order to ensure that said child never existed.

OT: This is pretty bad. Really bad, actually.

 

[BNguyen]

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you know with all of your ranting you only helped prove my point that the majority of people are too stupid to take a little precaution and learn about something before doing it. You don't just go jump out of a plane to go skydiving without learning how best to land and use a parachute first (and no I've never been).
Yeah, shit happens but we can at least work so that it happens less often.
Yeah, people can do stupid things like get drunk and have wild sex without thinking of contraceptives, but don't just sit around and assume nothing happened - look into it before it goes too far.
That is the responsibility of an adult is to make sure they make up for anything stupid that they've done and not just sit on it and assume all is well because "hey I don't remember it happening therefore it must not have happened".
You know, even if a lot of people are poor and can't afford contraceptives, there is always the surefire way to prevent an unwanted pregnancy - KEEP YOUR FUCKING PANTS ON!
JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN HAVE SEX DOESN"T MEAN THAT YOU SHOULD!

And basically the gist that I got out of your post is that you seem to think the government needs to step up to provide for the idiots rather that getting the lazy parents of this generation to get up and teach.

And for the record, no I'm not white, no I'm not middle class (in fact I believe I'm closer to the lower rungs of what could be considered middle class), but I still went to school. I still learned what the consequences can be if you don't think with your head and instead think with your genitalia. My parents gave me an understanding about sex and I had to fill in the blanks to be sure because I'm not the kind of person who does something then thinks back upon it, I prefer to think first.
So, no, I don't think I'm acting privileged, I think I'm acting with at least a half-way decent brain on this matter. And if women are doing something they know they can prevent then I feel I have every right to tell them how I feel about what they are doing.
You I'm afraid do not seem to understand that we are in an age where more and more people have access to education, but you seem to think that these people should be free to avoid thinking and do these things anyways and that the government should fully support their actions.

Edit #(I don't care): my videogame tangent is very much applicable to the situation as it draws similarities - people don't want to take responsibility for their actions that shows that they might be at fault, so they find something easier to blame - it can be rape or oops we forgot to use contraceptives, the government didn't provide them for us freely - or in the case of videogames - hey we saw this person is a little disturbed and bullied, oops he comes to school, etc. and kills a lot of people - hey this kid played videogames, they must be responsible for his actions.
And I think I'll keep my holier than thou attitude because I haven't done something so stupid as to drastically change my life when I'm not ready to face it head on.
If fact, I've got to say that your post feels somewhat suspicious now that I think about it.

 

[Froggy Slayer]

Wait wait . You do realise that the women that wanted an abortion went there ? So they wanted the baby aborted . He just used questionable methods of getting it done . He's no monster , it's not like he did anything without the mothers consent .

They're both to blame. Sure, the mother wanted the child dead, but he still facilitated that. He could have reported this to someone, but instead he killed the children. The only ideals that he holds is greed.

 

[BNguyen]

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hey, thanks for the support on this matter - some people can just be so careless these days that it's amazing the First World is still the First World - especially when people think they can go around without thinking that what they're doing might be causing harm to others.

 

[Evil Smurf]

Shit, that's straight murder! Fucking bastard.
Do people not know how to use a condom?

 

[Colour Scientist]

Do people not know how to use a condom?

There are a million and one reasons why someone would seek an abortion. It's unfair to immediately demonize them or label them as stupid or careless by assuming that the reason was that they weren't bothered using a condom.

OP: I find it amazing that this guy was able to operate so long without so much as a routine inspection. It was supposed to be a medical clinic, how was it allowed to get to that state? I know the clinic was in a very poor area but it's a very depressing state of affairs when this was the only option available to these women.