about nazi germany.

[YouShouldDeleteThisAccount]

If they look at WW2, and think that the moral of the story is "Germans are evil" it's probably not the kind of person worth bothering correcting. They probably get everything else wrong too.


My history teacher was extremely cool and at the very start of the Nazi Germany topic said: "You just have to remember; this wasn't the actions of the German people. This was the actions of the German people with the Nazi identity imposed on them."

And they're REALLY not responsible for WW1 from what I've seen. I've never been given a proper reason why that war started. Just looked like all the European powers wanted to have a fight over who had the biggest piece. (Anyone that could provide some historical insight with a good motivation would be nice)


The Germans just lost WW1, and so will be remembered by many as being responsible. As it's the winners version of history that continues.

Oh, and the Treaty of Versailles said that the Germans took responsibility for WW1, but that's only on paper.

 

[Celtic_Kerr]

France was worse, but the lost, so they couldn't help it.

Did the french create internment camps and perform attempted genocide? NO!

Yes, WW1 was a big mess of baltic-area conflict that exploded with the death/assassination of Franz Ferdinand. WW2 was started because of many issues MAINLY revolving around Hitler and then he decided to invade Poland.

Okay, maybe other nations also hated the Jews, but before you create a thread like this, read up on your history, see who finally pulled the trigegr and who killed THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS of jewish people.

Thank you

EDIT: yes the germans were nazis. They created the S.S and called themselves nazis. It's not a term that people came up with for them, they called themselves Nazis.

yes, so dit HITLER. Do you not blame Obama for bad taxes? not the neighbours?

I'm Canadian, I don't blame obama for anything. To be honest I don't blame anyone for taxes. Hitler was a fachist ruler, his word was law. If Obama decides to create a law, then the senators can veto it if they find it won't go well. Obama doesn't have supreme power. That's why people say "The government sucks". It has to go through a few more people

I do agree that it was a questionable comparison by me.. I am not quite capable in english yet.

But my point is, He WAS indeed a fascist ruler, but you can NOT blame the germans.

He would have gotten votes etc. in any country. He was a gifted politician, combined with strong parnters and ministers.

Consider this then: Valkyrie project (A.K.A - A bunch of Hitler's men trying to kill him). There were more than 13 assassination plots against hitler. Most of them were by his own people. Now if his people didn't want to kill the jews,of if the Germans didn't want to follow him, someone would have a bullet in his brain and said "FUCK NO! We're not killing the Jews!" But the Germans did follow him, they killed the Jewish. Hitler didn't shove ever Jew to be gassed himself, other did it with pleasure. He ordered it, but:

the executioner is just as guilty of killing a man as the king who orders it

 

[KEM10]

Okay, maybe other nations also hated the Jews, but before you create a thread like this, read up on your history, see who finally pulled the trigegr and who killed THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS of jewish people.

WW2 didn't start because of Jewish hate. WW2 started because of a crippled Germany that needed to do something in order to survive. I have said this before here, they had triple digit inflation. Over 100 percent inflation. People bought groceries in the morning because the price would be significantly higher when they got off of work.

And their Jew hate stemmed from that because they were the ones profiting from the working class. At least that was the message, there were also Jewish people worse off than the blue collar Germans and they were the ones that got the worst of it but the average citizen didn't know that the wealthy ones were long gone by the time they took over Poland.

 

[Caspertjuhh]

And most of all, it wasn't like all germans are nazi's.

/rant

But a majority of German's did democratically put Hitler into power by legal elections.

You have to place yourself into germans of that age. Anyone it that age for that matter. The people had quite rigid caste systems, and there was racism everywhere.

And, not to forget, the crisis in Germany because of the French versailles treaty caused lots of employerless people to appreciate hitler because of his ability to get lots and lots of jobs.

 

[brodie21]

dude, germany started world war two and continued fighting in world war one even after those who had started it had stopped fighting. they executed six million people of jewish descent and bombed the shit out of london.

hate against germans of world war 2 is justified

you are misenterpreting.

Germans affect 80 million people who live peaceful east of holland.

They were indoctrinated by Hitler and his fellows.

It is NOT fair to say 'the GERMANS killed 6 mil. jews.'

what am i misinterpreting? the germans who lived in the third reich rounded up and killed 6 million jews. what do you mean by 'affect 80 million people'?

 

[westhamhaz]

its pretty ridiculous to hate any nation because of there past, i like having friendly country rivaliries and jokes with for example german people doesnt mean I think they are all nazi's

 

[Celtic_Kerr]

Okay, maybe other nations also hated the Jews, but before you create a thread like this, read up on your history, see who finally pulled the trigegr and who killed THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS of jewish people.

WW2 didn't start because of Jewish hate. WW2 started because of a crippled Germany that needed to do something in order to survive. I have said this before here, they had triple digit inflation. Over 100 percent inflation. People bought groceries in the morning because the price would be significantly higher when they got off of work.

And their Jew hate stemmed from that because they were the ones profiting from the working class. At least that was the message, there were also Jewish people worse off than the blue collar Germans and they were the ones that got the worst of it but the average citizen didn't know that the wealthy ones were long gone by the time they took over Poland.

Oh yeah for sure. THe treaty of versailles was absolute bullshit. When you "Conquer" (for lack of better term) a nation, you help it out and make it thrive WITH you. You don't build hatred between you two and you don't oppress. It simply makes the same shit happen again.

 

[KEM10]

And most of all, it wasn't like all germans are nazi's.

/rant

But a majority of German's did democratically put Hitler into power by legal elections.

After every other potential political opponent was killed or forced to back down, the final election was a joke and everyone knew who would win.

 

[GiantRedButton]

And most of all, it wasn't like all germans are nazi's.

/rant

But a majority of German's did democratically put Hitler into power by legal elections.

Nope he was not elected he tried to but failed. Ehich is prove that Hitler did not have the majority behind him. read up on your history.
Not knowing who started ww1 seems to be only an american problem, most brits etc know it actually.
In a doctor who episode the doctor actually tells people how it started.

 

[Kenko]

World War 2 was created by GB and France when they fucked over germany not allowing the country to have a proper industry. Thus they created this whole incident. Go Britain and France!! Thanks for WW2 !

Hitler was a necessity for Germany to get its pride back. Hitler only used the jews as an excuse and a PR stunt to boost himself. And tbh, enough with the fucking judging, they didnt have as much information available back then and were pretty busy trying to put food on their plates rather then having meaningful debates of ethnicity and equality. They did not have Internet. And most Germans didnt know what happened to the jews during WW2, heck no1 did know for sure until the allies entered Germany and found the camps. And what were the germans supposed to do? Speak out and be pointed out as jew-sympathizers and get themselves and their family shot?

Hitler was a great man, or atleast he seemed like it when he lived as he manipulated a suffering people and whipped them into a frenzy with promise of restored pride and glory.

 

[YouShouldDeleteThisAccount]

Hitler was never elected into the position of Chancellor. One gets appointed that job by the president, which he lost that election also. The Nazi party was very very popular and had many seats in the Reichstag, true. But Hitler himself was not actually elected to a position of authority.

President Hindenberg was desperate for a strong leader people believed in. The last two chancellors he tried to use failed miserably in matters of months because they didn't have the support. And the two big extremist groups were the KPD, The Communist Party of Germany. Or the Nazi party. And Hindenberg hated the Nazis less.

 

[Canid117]

This guy was bad.

That is pretty much the extent of Germany hate on the Escapist. We do not actively hate on Germany nearly as much as say Twilight or Justin Bieber. I think you are projecting a bit.

 

[GiantRedButton]

France was worse, but the lost, so they couldn't help it.

Did the french create internment camps and perform attempted genocide? NO!

Yes, WW1 was a big mess of baltic-area conflict that exploded with the death/assassination of Franz Ferdinand. WW2 was started because of many issues MAINLY revolving around Hitler and then he decided to invade Poland.

Okay, maybe other nations also hated the Jews, but before you create a thread like this, read up on your history, see who finally pulled the trigegr and who killed THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS of jewish people.

Thank you

EDIT: yes the germans were nazis. They created the S.S and called themselves nazis. It's not a term that people came up with for them, they called themselves Nazis.

yes, so dit HITLER. Do you not blame Obama for bad taxes? not the neighbours?

I'm Canadian, I don't blame obama for anything. To be honest I don't blame anyone for taxes. Hitler was a fachist ruler, his word was law. If Obama decides to create a law, then the senators can veto it if they find it won't go well. Obama doesn't have supreme power. That's why people say "The government sucks". It has to go through a few more people

I do agree that it was a questionable comparison by me.. I am not quite capable in english yet.

But my point is, He WAS indeed a fascist ruler, but you can NOT blame the germans.

He would have gotten votes etc. in any country. He was a gifted politician, combined with strong parnters and ministers.

Consider this then: Valkyrie project (A.K.A - A bunch of Hitler's men trying to kill him). There were more than 13 assassination plots against hitler. Most of them were by his own people. Now if his people didn't want to kill the jews,of if the Germans didn't want to follow him, someone would have a bullet in his brain and said "FUCK NO! We're not killing the Jews!" But the Germans did follow him, they killed the Jewish. Hitler didn't shove ever Jew to be gassed himself, other did it with pleasure. He ordered it, but:

the executioner is just as guilty of killing a man as the king who orders it

Though anyone who opposed him died unless he was really lucky. The only reason he came to power is that he took it with force and Germany had no military to defend itself because of the versai treaty.
I'm sure some enjoyed it but you get that in every single war and on every side ever.
The fact that you and your family will get killed in a gruesome way if you don't shoot is a bit of motivation to i guess.

 

[Celtic_Kerr]

France was worse, but the lost, so they couldn't help it.

Did the french create internment camps and perform attempted genocide? NO!

Yes, WW1 was a big mess of baltic-area conflict that exploded with the death/assassination of Franz Ferdinand. WW2 was started because of many issues MAINLY revolving around Hitler and then he decided to invade Poland.

Okay, maybe other nations also hated the Jews, but before you create a thread like this, read up on your history, see who finally pulled the trigegr and who killed THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS of jewish people.

Thank you

EDIT: yes the germans were nazis. They created the S.S and called themselves nazis. It's not a term that people came up with for them, they called themselves Nazis.

yes, so dit HITLER. Do you not blame Obama for bad taxes? not the neighbours?

I'm Canadian, I don't blame obama for anything. To be honest I don't blame anyone for taxes. Hitler was a fachist ruler, his word was law. If Obama decides to create a law, then the senators can veto it if they find it won't go well. Obama doesn't have supreme power. That's why people say "The government sucks". It has to go through a few more people

I do agree that it was a questionable comparison by me.. I am not quite capable in english yet.

But my point is, He WAS indeed a fascist ruler, but you can NOT blame the germans.

He would have gotten votes etc. in any country. He was a gifted politician, combined with strong parnters and ministers.

Consider this then: Valkyrie project (A.K.A - A bunch of Hitler's men trying to kill him). There were more than 13 assassination plots against hitler. Most of them were by his own people. Now if his people didn't want to kill the jews,of if the Germans didn't want to follow him, someone would have a bullet in his brain and said "FUCK NO! We're not killing the Jews!" But the Germans did follow him, they killed the Jewish. Hitler didn't shove ever Jew to be gassed himself, other did it with pleasure. He ordered it, but:

the executioner is just as guilty of killing a man as the king who orders it

Though anyone who opposed him died unless he was really lucky. The only reason he came to power is that he took it with force and Germany had no military to defend itself because of the versai treaty.
I'm sure some enjoyed it but you get that in every single war and on every side ever.
The fact that you and your family will get killed in a gruesome way if you don't shoot is a bit of motivation to i guess.

Yes, but what the poster has been telling me this the whole time: It's notthe germans, it's Hitler, one man.

One man needs support, so many people had the same ideals as Hitler, he just made the political move, while the supporters made the physical move. Sure there were SOME pressured into it, but if nobody agreedwith Hitler, he'd have gotten nowhere. So it wasn't JUST Hitler.

I don't hold anything against Germans today due to past events, just saying it as I see it

 

[Redlin5_v1legacy]

I see a lot of german hate on these forums.

Really?

Must be looking a lot harder than I am...

My thoughts exactly. I didn't notice German hate here.

As for the whole German causing all the European problems, that is BS. We've got Napoleon launching aggressive expansionist wars, we've got Spain and their inquisition, we've got the whole colonial thing...

WWI specifically? It was Austria's fault for declaring war, Russia's fault for mobilizing, Germany's fault for invading Belgium in order to strike France and everyone's fault for participating in a fatal arms race. The Archduke shouldn't have been shot but it was going to happen eventually. Everyone was just pumped full of extreme nationalism and easily accessible means of killing each other.

WWII? Hitler is a huge cause of it, it is true but the harsh terms of the armistice, the great depression and appeasing the guy with not very subtle territorial demands didn't help anything. Also, when you are at war, don't sit on your arse while Poland is getting massacred. But for the most part WWII was Hitler and Mussolini's fault. If you want a war, you can generally get one.


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[AfterAscon]

World War 2 was created by GB and France when they fucked over germany not allowing the country to have a proper industry. Thus they created this whole incident. Go Britain and France!! Thanks for WW2 !

The US also played a significant role. US banks invested heavily in Germany during inter-war years only to pull their investments when the great depression hit. This led to hyper-inflation causing the people of Germany to become desperate and subsequently voting for the Nazi party.

I don't think I've ever seen anyone blame The Great War solely on the Germans. The whole thing was a cluster fuck with no side really having the moral high ground. They just happened to be on the losing side.

 

[Frozen Donkey Wheel2]

Yeah, OK. Hitler was literally the only Nazi in Germany. The rest of them just fell victim to propaganda, because everyone knows that if someone is charismatic enough, people who follow him can't be held responsible for their actions.

This guy's a pretty obvious troll.

 

[Koganesaga]

Without reading all this crap, I'd like to ask one thing, wasn't part of the reason Hilter was so pissed was because he got mustard gassed by allied forces (or some type of gas) leading up to WW2 and being one of his reason behind hating jews?

 

[TheHecatomb]

I dislike Germans for coming over to my town by the thousands each year and never, ever in over 20 years, having the manners to ask me if I actually speak German before asking me directions in it. It has absolutely nothing to do with the second world war, quit hiding behind that.