about nazi germany.

[Daffy F]

It is indeed commom belief, that the Germans were responsible for both WW1 and 2.

Actually, WW2 was largely the fault of the victors of WW1, taking all that money from Germany and effectively ruining it's potential and creating a huge resentment of the Allies from the German people. I tell you something, it's damn good that the English covered for the Germans financially after WW2, 'cause the same thing would've happened again. And all it cost us brits was about 30 years of debt. Still, it was worth it. Germany is kick-ass. (Also, I think this is the wrong place for this rant. As far as I can tell, you don't get people around here assuming that all Germans are Nazis or shit like that...)

 

[Demodeus]

Okay, I am in no way a nazi or a nazi sympathizer, but I claim that Germany had little responsibility in WW2 and basically no responsibility at all for WWI, as they were just allied with Austria-Hungary and tried to aid them.
However, the allied forces declared Germany as solely responsible for the entire WWI and they had to pay reparations to every country even for damage that they didnt even do.
So they were left with no land, no money, nothing. They just had their industry and then a "charismatic" leader type person came along and said what everyone in Germany was thinking all along: Its the allied's fault.
Of course this doesnt absolve them from slaying millions but they dont deserve all the blame, the allied forces deserve a huge chunk of that too. This war was no fight between the good shiny knights in golden armor and the wicked spawn (as most Americans *oddly* choose to believe), but a fight to correct injustice that got carried a *little* too far..

 

[JamesStone]

The WW1 started because Germany wanted a excuse to conquer\reconquer the colonies in Africa, and their alliance with Austria-Hungary, and their intentions to expand their Empire conquering Serbia, and the Germans just enjoyed. In WW2, Germany was under the dominion of Nationalists Socialists ( Nazis ) and Hitler order the Invansion of Polony because he was a Nationalist and for him Jews were junk that infect the German culture.

 

[Baldry]

I see a lot of german hate on these forums. I considered these forums to be relatively mature, yet I see so much historical fails.

THERE IS?! I have seriously never noticed that...

Anyway I studied the rise of the Nazis in GCSE history and you're right, not all Germans were for Hitler and the Nazis but the only ones that really fought back were the youth and the members of operation Valkyrie (They're all I remember, it was a long time ago!), but this was because Hitler came along and gave the German people everything they wanted, he did other stuff like the Secret police and what not but when it came down to it most of Germany was on Hitler and the Nazis side since they were saying and doing what the people wanted.

Oh and history is written by the victors so is that why I've never heard of French concentration camps?

 

[JamesStone]

It wasn't 'Nazi Germany'; it was Germany being taken over by their own foolish leaders.

But most of the Germans supported them.

 

[ryderawsome]

ww1=not germanys fault...ww2 they kinda dropped the ball on

 

[LorChan]

I was discussing this with my German friend and my partner for our English assignment on entertainment during the depression (the possible topics were endless... issues to do with To Kill A Mockingbird, and Nazi Germany was mentioned many times in the overview).
Germans aren't all nazis - that's ridiculous. Hitler just had crazy skilled PR. Not to mention that the nazi party was putting people in the bloody hospital, eventually, even before they took power.

In the early days nobody liked the nazis... but let them take care of the communists, if my knowledge is correct. The enemy of my enemy must be my friend, right? Also, 'gypsies'. Nobody liked Roma people, either. I still see most French people I know using the word 'gypsy' to refer to actual Roma people. And of course Black people and gays... Many saw Hitler's little gang as taking care of all their smaller problems. Like the cat chasing away the rats, but this time the cat is a bloody tiger and it eats all your food and sends you to Poland.

 

[Danzaivar]

Well the people of Germany voted Hitler in to radically change Germany and its place in the World. They certainly got that.

Hating on modern day Germany for that is just stupid though, that's like Americans hating Brits for the revolutionary war!

 

[Serge A. Storms]

He would have gotten votes etc. in any country. He was a gifted politician, combined with strong parnters and ministers.

Extremely sketchy statement that assumes way too much about how appealing a charismatic lunatic can be. As it is, the German people at the time elected him, looked the other way when he turned out to be a racist psychopath and mass murderer, and took part in the war rather than revolt against him. I'm not saying anything about Germany or its people now, or that there's not one other society in human history that would have acted like the Germans did, but transferring all the blame for WWII and the Holocaust to one individual is ridiculous.

 

[Baldry]

I say its jealousy! Yup those brits and french toasts got their asses handed too em in WW2 until America showed up, and russia started doing inhumane things to win. But yeah so i say the british and frenchies say bad things about the Germans because they were about to lose(well france already lost but still)

Why do you say these things, sure Briton would've lost if it wasn't for the Russians and Germany's foolish decision to invade Russia, because as soon as Germany attacked Russia the war was already ours. The German troops were to stretched thin and Briton could've easily won without your help once that happend, hell Canada helped more than you did, thank you Canada!

 

[Douchebag intent]

What I want to know is why North Americans tend to act nonchalant about what happened to the native americans.

"Those fucking nazis were commiting genocide, we on the other hand did not commit genocide, because we had a perfectly legit reason for it. They were in the way of our progress as a nation"

 

[Kenko]

World War 2 was created by GB and France when they fucked over germany not allowing the country to have a proper industry. Thus they created this whole incident. Go Britain and France!! Thanks for WW2 !

The US also played a significant role. US banks invested heavily in Germany during inter-war years only to pull their investments when the great depression hit. This led to hyper-inflation causing the people of Germany to become desperate and subsequently voting for the Nazi party.

I don't think I've ever seen anyone blame The Great War solely on the Germans. The whole thing was a cluster fuck with no side really having the moral high ground. They just happened to be on the losing side.

Yeah but people tend to pretty much always point their fingers at Germany as the sole "badguys" and "evil-doers" in the whole war. Wich just bothers me.

 

[TheRightToArmBears]

It's true that not all of Germany were Nazis, but Germany as a nation is pretty much most at fault for WW2. Nazi propaganda was pretty effective at stirring up anti-semitism, and at least before the war Hitler was mostly popular in Germany (provided you weren't a communist or such). Before such large-scale propaganda efforts France might have been more anti-semitic, but I doubt that highly in the late 1930's. Although, blaming all Germans for the holocaust and stuff is wrong; no one knew that was what Hitler planned.

You are literally blaming GERMANY for the actions of ONE, being hitler.

Sure he had followers, but all charismatic people get followers. Combine that with a smart minister of Propaganda, and you indoctrinate an entire people

That's slightly pedantic I feel. No one says 'some Americans are at war in Afghanistan'. America is in a war in Afghanistan.

EDIT:

I say its jealousy! Yup those brits and french toasts got their asses handed too em in WW2 until America showed up, and russia started doing inhumane things to win. But yeah so i say the british and frenchies say bad things about the Germans because they were about to lose(well france already lost but still)

Considering the Wermacht never set foot on British soil, I'd dispute that they got their asses handed to them. And as for outside of Britain the general populace probably wouldn't know too much due to incredibly heavy censoring (slighty unrelated, but there's one brilliant example after the Lufftwaffe bombed Bristol docks and anhilated it, where the news shows footage from before the war and claims the Nazis are lying).

 

[Haukur Isleifsson]

And most of all, it wasn't like all germans are nazi's.

/rant

But a majority of German's did democratically put Hitler into power by legal elections.

Well not really. National Socialist German Workers' Party never got a real victory in free elections. Hitler assumed power as the leader of the much smaller of two government parties.

 

[GrinningManiac]

I am and English history student, with a 90/100 A-level History in Nazi Germany

I completley concur, but would say that the reason there's so much german-hate and german-blame is for two reasons

1) Germany (not Germans, but the state) did AWFUL things in WW2 (not so much WW1) and rightly deserve all that hate. However, people are reknowned for their grudge-holding abilties, as well as bigotism, hence the ingrained belief that every German was in on the Final Solution (I.E. Deathcamps) and they all still do it today.

2) Propoganda at the time of WW1 and WW2 blamed both wars solely on Germany. WW2? Fair enough, but WW1 was, in a way, Austira/Serbia/Bosnia/Russia's fault, though everyone had been raring for a fight for about 40 years. Because of the propoganda, fierce anti-Germanism spread across France and Britain particularly. This feeling has been passed down, and still exists today

Therefore, it's a long-running and deep-cutting issue that will not resolve itself anytime son. The best we can do is educate and distinguish between German people and the German state

 

[Danpascooch]

I see a lot of german hate on these forums. I considered these forums to be relatively mature, yet I see so much historical fails.

It is indeed commom belief, that the Germans were responsible for both WW1 and 2.

I think it is very hypocrite to think ONLY the germans were responsible for those wars, and also very naive to think Germany was the only country in europe with jew hate around WW2. France was worse, but the lost, so they couldn't help it.

And most of all, it wasn't like all germans are nazi's. Better yet, almost all the country's they conquered had a lot of nazi-germany sympathisers.

And, no, I am not German, I am a Dutch history student.

/rant

I disagree with quite a few things in your post, but since I feel my opinions have been covered by other posters, let me point out that it is near impossible to take you seriously with the atrocious grammar in your posts, you should put a tiny amount of effort into making them look somewhat presentable.

 

[Brandon237]

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This guy was bad.

That is pretty much the extent of Germany hate on the Escapist. We do not actively hate on Germany nearly as much as say Twilight or Justin Bieber. I think you are projecting a bit.

^^ Pretty much this.

Yes, Hitler was bad, we know, but there isn't so much bashing of Germany (that I've seen).

EDIT: Also, it wasn't Hitler that came up with the idea of Concentration Camps... It was the British in South Africa. Jus' throwin' that out there.

Damn I hate some of my ancestors...

I don't see much german hate on these forums, I actually see none. The past is the past and they make nice cars, so really there's no point anyway. Hitler was evil and his generation was angry, something had to slip up somewhere with that. But these days t's mostly forgotten.

 

[Airsoftslayer93]

I see a lot of german hate on these forums. I considered these forums to be relatively mature, yet I see so much historical fails.

It is indeed commom belief, that the Germans were responsible for both WW1 and 2.

I think it is very hypocrite to think ONLY the germans were responsible for those wars, and also very naive to think Germany was the only country in europe with jew hate around WW2. France was worse, but the lost, so they couldn't help it.

And most of all, it wasn't like all germans are nazi's. Better yet, almost all the country's they conquered had a lot of nazi-germany sympathisers.

And, no, I am not German, I am a Dutch history student.

/rant

actually very interesting point, im currently studying whether hitler was a one of or whether he had mirrors throughout german history, and tbh from the few lessons i have had it does appear that he wasnt really a one of.

and yes i know about the attrocious anit semitism in other countries, and i think it would be wrong to blame the entire german people on the actions of their leadership, but i also think its wrong for them to try and claim that he was a one of anomily