about nazi germany.

[The Diabolical Biz]

I'm really surprised you've seen so much in all one days you've had an account here...

OT: They weren't fully to blame in either, but to say they weren't at least partly responsible is just silly. Other points have already been covered here...

 

[BlueberryMUNCH]

Well its a good point that Irwin made in the Alan Bennett play 'The History Boys', people are too caught up in the deaths of 'heroes' to face the fact that Britain did help contribute to the outbreaks of the wars, yet we still don't accept it.

Im half Austrian on my mothers side; my Grandfather was forced to fight on the Nazi Eastern front, and was one of the POW's the Russians captured in Stalingrad; but he was one of the lucky ones to come out alive.

He despised Nazism, but he was forced to fight or he and his family would have been shot.

As an English guy with a typical Austrian name, im obviously the butt of all Nazi jokes in history class, and it does offend me sometimes- i feel what they did was vile and i dont want to be associated with it whatsoever.

My point is, i feel as an Englishman, we have been taught that the Germans were the only real cause for WWI and WWII, which i really dont believe- to say that is just being a bad historian.

...i dont really know where im going with this, but yeah, just felt the need to vent haha.

EDIT: On reading other peoples posts, i might get a bit attacked for some of the things i said o.o. Also, in my time on the Escapist i have NEVER seen any German hate, or any other serious racial hate whatsoever except for the occasional troll. Any smart person realises that the German population hates Nazism probably more than most ethnic groups do.

 

[ultimateownage]

Because some people know fuck all about Hitler and the wars, so they just assume it was all Germany's fault. Also, Germany was not responsible for World War One!

 

[Staskala]

Now WWII was obviously Germany's fault to the biggest extent, but there is one thing I don't understand:
Why is it that the invasion of Poland is considered the point when Germany started the war? Aren't we forgetting who invaded the other half at the same time?
Oh, and the ones who declared "the real war" were France and England.

Like I said, WWII is inarguably Germany's fault, but they were not the ones (or at least not the only ones) who actually started the war. Just a little thought-provoking detail most people tend to overlook.

On this forum (which I've been following "a bit" longer than I'm registered) I have only encountered two people who were strictly anti-German. Both had really flawed knowledge in history and politics and I wouldn't say that they are in any way representative of this forum as a whole.

 

[ryai458]

WW2 pretty much sparked off when the Germans invaded Poland, which completely shattered the policy of Appeasement the British had been following since Hitler came to power, in that the UK decided not to just sit around any more and actually take offensive action against Germany. Hitler's lust for land was the catalyst for World War 2, so I think it's fair to blame Germany for that.

You are literally blaming GERMANY for the actions of ONE, being hitler.

Sure he had followers, but all charismatic people get followers. Combine that with a smart minister of Propaganda, and you indoctrinate an entire people

Funny thing is Hitler wasn't german, also side note Napelieon wasn't French, funny how that works huh?

 

[DarkPanda XIII]

Most german hatred that comes to this is the hatred of German Nazi's in gameplay, and it's running as a Cliche, just like Demons, Zombies, Aliens, and various other things we kill almost non-stop. It's a cliche of evil, really.

 

[Porygon-2000]

dude, germany started world war two and continued fighting in world war one even after those who had started it had stopped fighting. they executed six million people of jewish descent and bombed the shit out of london.

hate against germans of world war 2 is justified

To be fair, the Allies bombed the SHIT out of Dresden later in the war, so...yeah. (though they got nothing on the holocaust)

On my own thoughts, I reckon that, yes, there can be a tendency to assume Germany (and Japan)are the ultimate evils of that period, but they are not the only ones.
Gulag using, mass executing Stalin only allied with, well, the Allies because Hitler happened to invade.

 

[LogicNProportion]

I sympathize with you, my friend. A recent ex of mine is a native german, with her grandfather being a Nazi (as in, actual Nazi, not just a soldier) in WW2.

She was practically raised by him and her father, as her mother died in childbirth, and she said she had to grow up with a lot of shit from other families because of her grandfather. When she moved here to the US, it wasn't much different. She was teased constantly of her heritage, especially for (and this is silly) her heavy accent. (Which I loved to no end, despite the fact that she could never pronounce any part of my name.)

She really got me to learn a lot about Germany, and I even learned german for her. I love german opera now, especially Der Freischutz.

So, yeah, I do believe Germans get a bad rep, when they can be so damn cool. Plus...the language is dead sexy.

Auf Wiedersehen!

 

[Mr.Mattress]

And most of all, it wasn't like all germans are nazi's.

/rant

But a majority of German's did democratically put Hitler into power by legal elections.

Actually, he wasn't elected. He was appointed as Chancellor of Germany (Deutschland) by the old and dieing president, Hindenburg, because Hitler excelled in Back room Politics and was a Very Popular Character in Germany at the time.

OT: I don't blame all Germans for the Nazi's, and I have never seen much German hate here. However, we shouldn't give Germans a simple "They were the Victim" card: Most Germans did absolutely nothing to stop Hitler, and the Germanic people have come up with some of the worst political ideas ever (Communism and Nazism).

 

[RabbidKuriboh]

World war 2 wasnt really germany's fault it was Chamberlein's fault he saw what hitler was doing but pretty much turned around and bent over when he decided to take czechoslovakia and continued to let the headcase get away with anything until churchil took over btw I am NOT blaming Brittan i am blaming the idiot of a PM it had at the time

 

[TeeBs]

You are correct in some ways, from an asian perspective Japan started WW2 since they have been fighting in China since 1931.

But France is worse then Germany when it comes to jew hate? I think there is a little bit a revisionary history in that statement.

 

[oooooooooooooooooooooooooo]

People blaming Germany over World War 1 is just ignorance based. World War 2 is a different case, though I would still the Nazis were the "bad/evil side (for lack of a better term)", its not quite as black and white as all that. Hitler, for example, would never have managed to gather the support to come to power had the First World War Allies not used Germany as a scapegoat and imposed ridiculous financial obligations on them after the war.

I think the fact that there are still people living from that time period also means we have direct and subjective viewpoints to draw from. My grandfather, for example, lived in Germany during the war and his house was hit during one of the Allied bombings. His father was a German soldier who was killed during the invasion of Russia. I couldn't possibly take that in and not have some personal feelings towards the war. The war is still relatively recent, and we cannot expect most people to have an objective viewpoint when there are still so many personal connections to it.

 

[meowchef]

I say its jealousy! Yup those brits and french toasts got their asses handed too em in WW2 until America showed up, and russia started doing inhumane things to win. But yeah so i say the british and frenchies say bad things about the Germans because they were about to lose(well france already lost but still)

Why do you say these things, sure Briton would've lost if it wasn't for the Russians and Germany's foolish decision to invade Russia, because as soon as Germany attacked Russia the war was already ours. The German troops were to stretched thin and Briton could've easily won without your help once that happend, hell Canada helped more than you did, thank you Canada!

Are you seriously saying that a nation that fielded a million troops had as much to do with victory as a nation that fielded more than 15x as many? Sure, there soldiers fought just as hard, but come on.

 

[Socius]

Hey, Godwin's Law!

Damnit! ninja'd! T_T
OT: the Nazi party was a facistic bunch of sadistic bdsm-loving nutjobs. The German population circles majorly around the later. there is no question about the actions of the germans during WWII, but that is a thing of the past. We have learned, it will never happen again, I hope.
Exept that it is happening right now, by the Israeli towards the Palestinian people. and the nazis are growing back in Italy, Hungary and eastern europe in generall. Even in sweden. oh shi-

 

[Blue_vision]

Why do you say these things, sure Briton would've lost if it wasn't for the Russians and Germany's foolish decision to invade Russia, because as soon as Germany attacked Russia the war was already ours. The German troops were to stretched thin and Briton could've easily won without your help once that happend, hell Canada helped more than you did, thank you Canada!

It's true And you're welcome

For the first World War, the Germans were certainly, certainly, certainly not the bad guys. Germany, Austria-Hungary, Russia, France, and Britain were all fully to blame for that, and the German hate for that war has absolutely no basis.
For WWII, Nazi Germany was definitely a rather evil state. But they weren't wholly to blame for the war. Really, the treaty of Versailles with Russia, France, Britain and the US was a huge reason that Nazi Germany ever got started in the first place. If they didn't pick on the losers, the German economy wouldn't have gone poof, and Germans wouldn't have had to look to a radical (and insane) leader to save them. Yes, the "Germans" were evil at that time (though I think Nazis is a better term, as regular German people weren't exactly evil.) But that doesn't mean others weren't to blame.

 

[Baradiel]

Really? German Hate?

Anyway, Germany did not start the First World War (I refuse to call them World War 1/2. It sounds like some sort of game). It was simply an ally that lasted longer and caused more losses to the Triple Alliance. Plus, France and Germany have never really got on, so it's accepted that it was France's feelings towards German rearmament that lead to such harsh reparations in the Treaty of Versailles.

You're right. Not all Germans were hardcore Nazis. Even the soldiers weren't necessarily Fascist. Conscription was enforced, so many didn't have a choice in fighting. And not all civilians were in the Nazi Party. However, it tended to be a requirement to keep your job. Even then, people would join the Party and attend the necessary rallies etc to just have a job.

 

[Celtic_Kerr]

I say its jealousy! Yup those brits and french toasts got their asses handed too em in WW2 until America showed up, and russia started doing inhumane things to win. But yeah so i say the british and frenchies say bad things about the Germans because they were about to lose(well france already lost but still)

Really? Shall I remind you of a certain hill that the American attempted to take for a week or two, which Canada was able to take in an afternoon? Then it was taken again once the Canadian forces left. Don't take all the credit

 

[Socius]

Hey, Godwin's Law!

Damnit! ninja'd! T_T
OT: the Nazi party was a facistic bunch of sadistic bdsm-loving nutjobs. The German population circles majorly around the later. there is no question about the actions of the germans during WWII, but that is a thing of the past. We have learned, it will never happen again, I hope.
Exept that it is happening right now, by the Israeli towards the Palestinian people. and the nazis are growing back in Italy, Hungary and eastern europe in generall. Even in sweden. oh shi-

nevermind the bdsm things, I looked it up and found 5 laws condeming it in germany.