about nazi germany.
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I would imagine that a lot turned to sympathizers prior to being conquered. Just my thought though.caspertjuhh said:
The mass media believes that the Germans started it all; Though in a lot of conflicts start when the other side says f*** this s*** (not in those words) and throws down. be it from a oversight in the matter, reluctance to enter the conflict, or have exhausted all other means to "survive" in the escalating state.
Germany was not responsible for WW1.
Hitler came to power in Germany and the majority of the population agreed with his views because everyone was looking for someone to blame the loss of the first war on, aka the jews. I didn't know other countries hated them as well, but um.........they didn't kill 6 million jews.
Hitler came to power in Germany and the majority of the population agreed with his views because everyone was looking for someone to blame the loss of the first war on, aka the jews. I didn't know other countries hated them as well, but um.........they didn't kill 6 million jews.
Jew killings are a common thing throughout history. They were mostly blamed for diseases. Easily explained, since 'normal' Europeans were dirty and didn't think much of hygiene. Jews have food laws they have to follow so they didn't get sick as often. And when one group in the same city gets sick and the other doesn't, guess who gets the blame for 'poisoning'?Mechanix said:
If Medieval Europe had the technological means the Germans had in WWII, the jews would have been exterminated somewhere in the Dark Ages.
Russia essentially did everything Germany did, only to a lesser extent. Including massacres and various forms of torture -- Having said that, it is true that Germany DID start WW2. At one point for instance, Hitler declared that he would not invade Austria, and that his expansion was complete.Celtic_Kerr said:
He invades Austria.
Hitler allies with Russia
Hitler Betrays Russia.
In every sense, he started the World War. He did not however start the events which led to that point.
The real problem is were people get their information - Due to the complexity of the events, many people get the order confused, or misunderstand things due to interpritations during the time period. Some sources will say Japan moved the first pieces, others will say America did. The best thing to do, is stick to what is known, not what is presumed.
In other words, every poster here is posting accurate information (I havent read all of them, im assuming
) Its a matter of interpritation
First, not double posting, second why the ...? I know he got gassed in WW1, that's why I said leading up too. It is believed that getting gassed is part of the reason he even formed Nazi Germany.hyperhammy said:
Really? I've not actually seen any hate toward the Germans at all. But then I only come on here occasionally and maybe it all happens when I'm not about.caspertjuhh said:
the only instance I know of of WW2 being raised in conversation recently was in a thread about Bill o'riley comparing muslims to them or somesuch.
But I know what you mean its easy to think that only the Germans were involved and that all Germans were Nazi's whereas the majority weren't.
There's a difference between Nazi hate and German hate. The Nazis were German, so I suppose by extension you could say that (although it has nothing to do with them being German, it's about them being Nazis). No one is going to stop with the "Nazi hate", as they were an unambiguously despicable group; it wasn't just Hitler, it was just as much the people who bought into that bullshit and participated in the Holocaust.caspertjuhh said:
Germany didn't start World War 1, officially. They joined because their allies went to war after the assassination of Arch Duke Ferdinand. After the war however, Germany was forced to pay reparations for all the damages caused, which completely destroyed their economy. It was a very, very bleak and uncertain time in their history. A man named adolf hitler, a War World 1 veteran, recently released convict, and very powerful orator came to power. He used one of the oldest tricks in the book: creating a scapegoat. Those of the Jewish faith were targeted, but Europe itself was -very- antisemitic, as was the United States, so there wasn't a huge push, people had been waiting for something horrific to happen in fact. Hell, people knew that if hitler came to power it was going to be catastrophic. People forget that Germany was also a victim, as there is such a thing as a German Jewish person. Propaganda, ignorance, and hatred in a time of need proved to be very effective, unfortunately, and millions of people lost their lives.
That was over 60 years ago, yet people still try to hold Germany accountable for some reason. And developers continue to make World War 2 video games. It's funny that some people still try to blame Germany, neglecting the fact that those who were in charge or a part of the movements back then are mostly died by now, and yet the United States attempted mass genocide on the Native Americans, and Australia tried to steal the "half-breed" children and make them into servants, but you barely hear complaints about that.
That was over 60 years ago, yet people still try to hold Germany accountable for some reason. And developers continue to make World War 2 video games. It's funny that some people still try to blame Germany, neglecting the fact that those who were in charge or a part of the movements back then are mostly died by now, and yet the United States attempted mass genocide on the Native Americans, and Australia tried to steal the "half-breed" children and make them into servants, but you barely hear complaints about that.
Would it not be Gavrillo Princip, Young Bosnia and The Black Hand?
Isn't it Franz Ferdinand's murder that set off events to make the world go apeshit and commence WW1. Since Gavrillo was part of these groups who wanted to kill Franz (from what I can remember) , isn't it technically Gavrillo Princip and Young Bosnia/The Black Hand who started WW1?
Just throwing it out there.
Isn't it Franz Ferdinand's murder that set off events to make the world go apeshit and commence WW1. Since Gavrillo was part of these groups who wanted to kill Franz (from what I can remember) , isn't it technically Gavrillo Princip and Young Bosnia/The Black Hand who started WW1?
Just throwing it out there.
