Activision buys out valve and mojang.

[HassEsser]

OP scared the living shit out of me for a minute. . .

. . . the VALVe part, I mean. Idgaf about Mojang, don't even know who them guys are.




Sony shutting down Naughty Dog, Sucker Punch, Sony Santa Monica and/or Insomniac Games.

I would lose all hope for life and jump off a building if they did that.

 

[Vault101]

No Portal 3.
No new Half-life.
No new Minecraft.

Just make all new IP's, so when i tell people that I like Minecraft and Half-Life I won't get laughed at. I'll then proceed to not buy their games again.

I dont think there will be a portal 3

its not like there NEEDS to be a portal 3

and if there was it wouldn't be be the same without Chell

 

[ChupathingyX]

Bethesda must never make another Fallout game ever again.

Just keep making The Elder Scrolls, you can't screw up your own lore...

arnt they making fallout 4?

anyway fallout 3 wasnt that bad, aside from reducing brotherhood to "white" (and its made very clear in universe that even the brotherhood themselvs are pissed about this) I honestly dont see what everyone is complaining about, Broken steel improved it alot (aside form lack of closure...but even then I felt the ending to fallout NV told us a little too much)

Firstly, is there any particular reason you don't use upper case letters?

Secondly, I'm not going to give all of my reasons for hating Fallout 3 for TLR reasons.

All I'm going to say is how the hell does Little lamplight sustain itself, why did Bethesda kill off Harold and why does the GECK explode?

 

[Vault101]

Before opening this thread that I was sure was a total farce...

BUT that doesnt change the fact that for the min or so that I started at the thread title, I nearly cried... Just the THOUGHT of Steam/Valve being tainted by any other company (but especially EA or ActiBlizzTard)was enough to almost make me lose it...

Hell I thought even of killing my (gaming)self... total purge from the gaming world... not even card games... a total null in the gaming void... Let me tell you that's a scarey fracking thought!

People may not like VALVE/(mainly)Steam, but since being with them since early beta's (especially Steam), any issues experienced now are a minor pittance compared to the issues that used to plague the service that is now my #1 Game Shop, and to lose them, or have the DRM that would eventually follow into Steam (yes Steam has its own DRM, no I dont approve of it, but its probably the SINGLE DRM solution I will ever tolerate...) and its games...

I am leaving this thread now, hopefully never to return... must think happy thoughts must think happy thoughts must think happy thoughts must think happy thoughts must think happy thoughts must think happy thoughts must think happy thoughts must think happy thoughts

I dont hate Steam, it just isnt very freindly for people with low download limits, which I seriously think Valve should adress somehow

 

[BrownGaijin]

My initial reaction:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f4/The_Scream.jpg/475px-The_Scream.jpg

OT: Japan sinking into the Pacififc, or North Korea taking over... anything. On the other end of the spectrum a unified and democratic Korea, or desserts that make you look sexy.

 

[dyre]

Deus Ex 3 being a disappointment would be very disappointing.
EA continuing to own Bioware would also be upsetting

Trump as President.
Conservatives as President.
Liberals either (not as bad as conservatives, but still)
Christianity to be right about anything.
Dying unhappy.

If you don't want conservatives or liberals to be elected, then who do you want elected.

People who actually do whats best for the country. Conservatives and Liberals are posers hwo pretend to be politicians to push morallity into debate. I should not have to worry that the person Im voting for thinks Im a sin for what I am, and liberals, while they atleast have good intentions...tend to be stupid.

For a lot of issues, you've got to be either liberal or conservative :\

It's not so much a problem of who's president, but rather that we're a two party system where everyone is stuck with party platforms if they want party endorsements for reelection.

No. You dont. For one, its Republican and Democrat. However, Conservatives and latched onto Republicans, and Liberals to Dems. But disagreeing with one, doesnt make me agree with the other. But thats because the world is not as black and white as politics would want you to think.
But I so agree the two party system thing is a bad thing. Mostly since whatever one side builds up will be immediatly torn down the second the other side gets power to do so. (See Obama Healthcare for prime example)

You're the one who called them Conservative and Liberal in the first place! It would be extremely weird if you thought conservatives in general thought you were a sin for what you were, while liberals in generals were just stupid, especially conservatism could lead to a completely different stance on an issue depending on one's society and time period. Thus, I reasoned you must have meant "conservatives" as the GOP and "liberals" as the Democratic Party. I felt no desire to call you out on a nitpick, and now you do it to me? How...ungentlemanly. :\

And I never said politics was black and white; I simply said for some issues, it's not a rainbow, but a spectrum of greys. Take, for example, gun control and gay marriage. For both, you have extreme sides and moderate sides, but all along the same spectrum.

Gun Control:
Guns for all, no limitations ---> Guns for some, registration, safe storage, etc --> No guns

Gay Marriage:
Fuck no ---> Some legal rights, civil unions ----> Marriage

For these spectrums, you're either going to be liberal or conservative. Moderate liberal/conservative, sure, but you're still "liberal" or "conservative."

Don't put words in my mouth :|

Id rather be lady like than gentlemanly. I called them conservatives and liberals cause thats what conservatives and liberals are. Personally, it is wrong to presume a republican is a conservative and democrat a liberal, and I feel bad over the non conservative Republicans that Ive vented on. Agreeing with someone on one thing does not make you them. I think it is wrong to kill. Thats also a commandmant in the Bible, doesnt make me Christian, nor should it be viewed as just a Christian view (that is untrue though anyways, but thats not the point)

And if you must label views, then gay marriage isnt a liberal view, its a gay view, and since liberals are more acommodating, gays tend to be liberals out of convienance.

Conservatives are people who hate on you for what you are?
Liberals are well-intentioned fools?

I think you have your terminology a bit off >_>

And if you agree enough with someone, you're pretty close to being them. What I'm saying is, after you tally up all the issues, most likely the candidate is going to be conservative or liberal on average, even if he's moderate.

And supporting gay marriage is certainly a liberal view. Plenty of non-gay liberals support gay marriage. In fact, I'm willing to bet most of them do

 

[Vault101]

Bethesda must never make another Fallout game ever again.

Just keep making The Elder Scrolls, you can't screw up your own lore...

arnt they making fallout 4?

anyway fallout 3 wasnt that bad, aside from reducing brotherhood to "white" (and its made very clear in universe that even the brotherhood themselvs are pissed about this) I honestly dont see what everyone is complaining about, Broken steel improved it alot (aside form lack of closure...but even then I felt the ending to fallout NV told us a little too much)

Firstly, is there any particular reason you don't use upper case letters?

Secondly, I'm not going to give all of my reasons for hating Fallout 3 for TLR reasons.

All I'm going to say is how the hell does Little lamplight sustain itself, why did Bethesda kill off Harold and why does the GECK explode?

Damn, thats the second time ive been called out on that

1. little lamplight..well I dont know mabye its know enough that people dump unwanted children there? mabye the 15 year olds...yeah

as for the geck you'd have to go to fallout wiki to know about it, becuase I dont know much about the geck, also remember this is fallout, worrying about how some things dont make sense is completley beside the point of the game,

like radiation does not work that way, but super mutants, gouls, and giant rad scorpians are alot more fun than cancer

 

[Saelune]

Deus Ex 3 being a disappointment would be very disappointing.
EA continuing to own Bioware would also be upsetting

Trump as President.
Conservatives as President.
Liberals either (not as bad as conservatives, but still)
Christianity to be right about anything.
Dying unhappy.

If you don't want conservatives or liberals to be elected, then who do you want elected.

People who actually do whats best for the country. Conservatives and Liberals are posers hwo pretend to be politicians to push morallity into debate. I should not have to worry that the person Im voting for thinks Im a sin for what I am, and liberals, while they atleast have good intentions...tend to be stupid.

For a lot of issues, you've got to be either liberal or conservative :\

It's not so much a problem of who's president, but rather that we're a two party system where everyone is stuck with party platforms if they want party endorsements for reelection.

No. You dont. For one, its Republican and Democrat. However, Conservatives and latched onto Republicans, and Liberals to Dems. But disagreeing with one, doesnt make me agree with the other. But thats because the world is not as black and white as politics would want you to think.
But I so agree the two party system thing is a bad thing. Mostly since whatever one side builds up will be immediatly torn down the second the other side gets power to do so. (See Obama Healthcare for prime example)

You're the one who called them Conservative and Liberal in the first place! It would be extremely weird if you thought conservatives in general thought you were a sin for what you were, while liberals in generals were just stupid, especially conservatism could lead to a completely different stance on an issue depending on one's society and time period. Thus, I reasoned you must have meant "conservatives" as the GOP and "liberals" as the Democratic Party. I felt no desire to call you out on a nitpick, and now you do it to me? How...ungentlemanly. :\

And I never said politics was black and white; I simply said for some issues, it's not a rainbow, but a spectrum of greys. Take, for example, gun control and gay marriage. For both, you have extreme sides and moderate sides, but all along the same spectrum.

Gun Control:
Guns for all, no limitations ---> Guns for some, registration, safe storage, etc --> No guns

Gay Marriage:
Fuck no ---> Some legal rights, civil unions ----> Marriage

For these spectrums, you're either going to be liberal or conservative. Moderate liberal/conservative, sure, but you're still "liberal" or "conservative."

Don't put words in my mouth :|

Id rather be lady like than gentlemanly. I called them conservatives and liberals cause thats what conservatives and liberals are. Personally, it is wrong to presume a republican is a conservative and democrat a liberal, and I feel bad over the non conservative Republicans that Ive vented on. Agreeing with someone on one thing does not make you them. I think it is wrong to kill. Thats also a commandmant in the Bible, doesnt make me Christian, nor should it be viewed as just a Christian view (that is untrue though anyways, but thats not the point)

And if you must label views, then gay marriage isnt a liberal view, its a gay view, and since liberals are more acommodating, gays tend to be liberals out of convienance.

Conservatives are people who hate on you for what you are?
Liberals are well-intentioned fools?

I think you have your terminology a bit off >_>

And if you agree enough with someone, you're pretty close to being them. What I'm saying is, after you tally up all the issues, most likely the candidate is going to be conservative or liberal on average, even if he's moderate.

And supporting gay marriage is certainly a liberal view. Plenty of non-gay liberals support gay marriage. In fact, I'm willing to bet most of them do

How? According to conservatives, gays, lesbians, bisexuals, transgendered, non christians, non whites, non conservatives who follow their ideals to the T are bad horrible people who want to ruin America. Only think they like about me is that Im white (and thats only technically)
Liberals usually want to make everything all nice and good...but usually to an extreme over protective mother kind of smuthering way.
I am only more inclined towards liberals because they will help me fight to be viewed as a human, instead of some freak. But many of their views I often find missing the mark. (like say, vegans, a more liberal sided type of person)

 

[dyre]

Deus Ex 3 being a disappointment would be very disappointing.
EA continuing to own Bioware would also be upsetting

Trump as President.
Conservatives as President.
Liberals either (not as bad as conservatives, but still)
Christianity to be right about anything.
Dying unhappy.

If you don't want conservatives or liberals to be elected, then who do you want elected.

People who actually do whats best for the country. Conservatives and Liberals are posers hwo pretend to be politicians to push morallity into debate. I should not have to worry that the person Im voting for thinks Im a sin for what I am, and liberals, while they atleast have good intentions...tend to be stupid.

For a lot of issues, you've got to be either liberal or conservative :\

It's not so much a problem of who's president, but rather that we're a two party system where everyone is stuck with party platforms if they want party endorsements for reelection.

No. You dont. For one, its Republican and Democrat. However, Conservatives and latched onto Republicans, and Liberals to Dems. But disagreeing with one, doesnt make me agree with the other. But thats because the world is not as black and white as politics would want you to think.
But I so agree the two party system thing is a bad thing. Mostly since whatever one side builds up will be immediatly torn down the second the other side gets power to do so. (See Obama Healthcare for prime example)

You're the one who called them Conservative and Liberal in the first place! It would be extremely weird if you thought conservatives in general thought you were a sin for what you were, while liberals in generals were just stupid, especially conservatism could lead to a completely different stance on an issue depending on one's society and time period. Thus, I reasoned you must have meant "conservatives" as the GOP and "liberals" as the Democratic Party. I felt no desire to call you out on a nitpick, and now you do it to me? How...ungentlemanly. :\

And I never said politics was black and white; I simply said for some issues, it's not a rainbow, but a spectrum of greys. Take, for example, gun control and gay marriage. For both, you have extreme sides and moderate sides, but all along the same spectrum.

Gun Control:
Guns for all, no limitations ---> Guns for some, registration, safe storage, etc --> No guns

Gay Marriage:
Fuck no ---> Some legal rights, civil unions ----> Marriage

For these spectrums, you're either going to be liberal or conservative. Moderate liberal/conservative, sure, but you're still "liberal" or "conservative."

Don't put words in my mouth :|

Id rather be lady like than gentlemanly. I called them conservatives and liberals cause thats what conservatives and liberals are. Personally, it is wrong to presume a republican is a conservative and democrat a liberal, and I feel bad over the non conservative Republicans that Ive vented on. Agreeing with someone on one thing does not make you them. I think it is wrong to kill. Thats also a commandmant in the Bible, doesnt make me Christian, nor should it be viewed as just a Christian view (that is untrue though anyways, but thats not the point)

And if you must label views, then gay marriage isnt a liberal view, its a gay view, and since liberals are more acommodating, gays tend to be liberals out of convienance.

Conservatives are people who hate on you for what you are?
Liberals are well-intentioned fools?

I think you have your terminology a bit off >_>

And if you agree enough with someone, you're pretty close to being them. What I'm saying is, after you tally up all the issues, most likely the candidate is going to be conservative or liberal on average, even if he's moderate.

And supporting gay marriage is certainly a liberal view. Plenty of non-gay liberals support gay marriage. In fact, I'm willing to bet most of them do

How? According to conservatives, gays, lesbians, bisexuals, transgendered, non christians, non whites, non conservatives who follow their ideals to the T are bad horrible people who want to ruin America. Only think they like about me is that Im white (and thats only technically)
Liberals usually want to make everything all nice and good...but usually to an extreme over protective mother kind of smuthering way.
I am only more inclined towards liberals because they will help me fight to be viewed as a human, instead of some freak. But many of their views I often find missing the mark. (like say, vegans, a more liberal sided type of person)

What are you talking about? Conservatives are just people who favor traditions and possibly gradual change over time. It's a political philosophy, not a moral one...

Also, most "conservatives" I know are perfectly fine with gays, lesbians, bisexuals, transgenders, non-Christians, and non-whites. Some are just a bit touchy when it comes to letting gay people change their traditions.

No offense, but you make some pretty ridiculous blanket statements. You might even be liable to offend someone! Good thing I'm libertarian.

 

[Saelune]

Deus Ex 3 being a disappointment would be very disappointing.
EA continuing to own Bioware would also be upsetting

Trump as President.
Conservatives as President.
Liberals either (not as bad as conservatives, but still)
Christianity to be right about anything.
Dying unhappy.

If you don't want conservatives or liberals to be elected, then who do you want elected.

People who actually do whats best for the country. Conservatives and Liberals are posers hwo pretend to be politicians to push morallity into debate. I should not have to worry that the person Im voting for thinks Im a sin for what I am, and liberals, while they atleast have good intentions...tend to be stupid.

For a lot of issues, you've got to be either liberal or conservative :\

It's not so much a problem of who's president, but rather that we're a two party system where everyone is stuck with party platforms if they want party endorsements for reelection.

No. You dont. For one, its Republican and Democrat. However, Conservatives and latched onto Republicans, and Liberals to Dems. But disagreeing with one, doesnt make me agree with the other. But thats because the world is not as black and white as politics would want you to think.
But I so agree the two party system thing is a bad thing. Mostly since whatever one side builds up will be immediatly torn down the second the other side gets power to do so. (See Obama Healthcare for prime example)

You're the one who called them Conservative and Liberal in the first place! It would be extremely weird if you thought conservatives in general thought you were a sin for what you were, while liberals in generals were just stupid, especially conservatism could lead to a completely different stance on an issue depending on one's society and time period. Thus, I reasoned you must have meant "conservatives" as the GOP and "liberals" as the Democratic Party. I felt no desire to call you out on a nitpick, and now you do it to me? How...ungentlemanly. :\

And I never said politics was black and white; I simply said for some issues, it's not a rainbow, but a spectrum of greys. Take, for example, gun control and gay marriage. For both, you have extreme sides and moderate sides, but all along the same spectrum.

Gun Control:
Guns for all, no limitations ---> Guns for some, registration, safe storage, etc --> No guns

Gay Marriage:
Fuck no ---> Some legal rights, civil unions ----> Marriage

For these spectrums, you're either going to be liberal or conservative. Moderate liberal/conservative, sure, but you're still "liberal" or "conservative."

Don't put words in my mouth :|

Id rather be lady like than gentlemanly. I called them conservatives and liberals cause thats what conservatives and liberals are. Personally, it is wrong to presume a republican is a conservative and democrat a liberal, and I feel bad over the non conservative Republicans that Ive vented on. Agreeing with someone on one thing does not make you them. I think it is wrong to kill. Thats also a commandmant in the Bible, doesnt make me Christian, nor should it be viewed as just a Christian view (that is untrue though anyways, but thats not the point)

And if you must label views, then gay marriage isnt a liberal view, its a gay view, and since liberals are more acommodating, gays tend to be liberals out of convienance.

Conservatives are people who hate on you for what you are?
Liberals are well-intentioned fools?

I think you have your terminology a bit off >_>

And if you agree enough with someone, you're pretty close to being them. What I'm saying is, after you tally up all the issues, most likely the candidate is going to be conservative or liberal on average, even if he's moderate.

And supporting gay marriage is certainly a liberal view. Plenty of non-gay liberals support gay marriage. In fact, I'm willing to bet most of them do

How? According to conservatives, gays, lesbians, bisexuals, transgendered, non christians, non whites, non conservatives who follow their ideals to the T are bad horrible people who want to ruin America. Only think they like about me is that Im white (and thats only technically)
Liberals usually want to make everything all nice and good...but usually to an extreme over protective mother kind of smuthering way.
I am only more inclined towards liberals because they will help me fight to be viewed as a human, instead of some freak. But many of their views I often find missing the mark. (like say, vegans, a more liberal sided type of person)

What are you talking about? Conservatives are just people who favor traditions and possibly gradual change over time. It's a political philosophy, not a moral one...

Also, most "conservatives" I know are perfectly fine with gays, lesbians, bisexuals, transgenders, non-Christians, and non-whites. Some are just a bit touchy when it comes to letting gay people change their traditions.

No offense, but you make some pretty ridiculous blanket statements. You might even be liable to offend someone! Good thing I'm libertarian.

Ok, when you have your rights taken from you, then you will see why conservatives are bad people. I would argue it is you who do not know what a conservative is. Hell, I think a conservative would even agree with me. (though they liekly would consider being anti gay a good thing)
And a "little touchy"? Well, I guess Im a "little touchy" against conservatives for outright hating me and refusing me my rights I deserve. Dont bother responding to me anymore, since I know if I respond to you anymore, somethng I say will get me in trouble, even if it is something I should say.

 

[dyre]

Deus Ex 3 being a disappointment would be very disappointing.
EA continuing to own Bioware would also be upsetting

Trump as President.
Conservatives as President.
Liberals either (not as bad as conservatives, but still)
Christianity to be right about anything.
Dying unhappy.

If you don't want conservatives or liberals to be elected, then who do you want elected.

People who actually do whats best for the country. Conservatives and Liberals are posers hwo pretend to be politicians to push morallity into debate. I should not have to worry that the person Im voting for thinks Im a sin for what I am, and liberals, while they atleast have good intentions...tend to be stupid.

For a lot of issues, you've got to be either liberal or conservative :\

It's not so much a problem of who's president, but rather that we're a two party system where everyone is stuck with party platforms if they want party endorsements for reelection.

No. You dont. For one, its Republican and Democrat. However, Conservatives and latched onto Republicans, and Liberals to Dems. But disagreeing with one, doesnt make me agree with the other. But thats because the world is not as black and white as politics would want you to think.
But I so agree the two party system thing is a bad thing. Mostly since whatever one side builds up will be immediatly torn down the second the other side gets power to do so. (See Obama Healthcare for prime example)

You're the one who called them Conservative and Liberal in the first place! It would be extremely weird if you thought conservatives in general thought you were a sin for what you were, while liberals in generals were just stupid, especially conservatism could lead to a completely different stance on an issue depending on one's society and time period. Thus, I reasoned you must have meant "conservatives" as the GOP and "liberals" as the Democratic Party. I felt no desire to call you out on a nitpick, and now you do it to me? How...ungentlemanly. :\

And I never said politics was black and white; I simply said for some issues, it's not a rainbow, but a spectrum of greys. Take, for example, gun control and gay marriage. For both, you have extreme sides and moderate sides, but all along the same spectrum.

Gun Control:
Guns for all, no limitations ---> Guns for some, registration, safe storage, etc --> No guns

Gay Marriage:
Fuck no ---> Some legal rights, civil unions ----> Marriage

For these spectrums, you're either going to be liberal or conservative. Moderate liberal/conservative, sure, but you're still "liberal" or "conservative."

Don't put words in my mouth :|

Id rather be lady like than gentlemanly. I called them conservatives and liberals cause thats what conservatives and liberals are. Personally, it is wrong to presume a republican is a conservative and democrat a liberal, and I feel bad over the non conservative Republicans that Ive vented on. Agreeing with someone on one thing does not make you them. I think it is wrong to kill. Thats also a commandmant in the Bible, doesnt make me Christian, nor should it be viewed as just a Christian view (that is untrue though anyways, but thats not the point)

And if you must label views, then gay marriage isnt a liberal view, its a gay view, and since liberals are more acommodating, gays tend to be liberals out of convienance.

Conservatives are people who hate on you for what you are?
Liberals are well-intentioned fools?

I think you have your terminology a bit off >_>

And if you agree enough with someone, you're pretty close to being them. What I'm saying is, after you tally up all the issues, most likely the candidate is going to be conservative or liberal on average, even if he's moderate.

And supporting gay marriage is certainly a liberal view. Plenty of non-gay liberals support gay marriage. In fact, I'm willing to bet most of them do

How? According to conservatives, gays, lesbians, bisexuals, transgendered, non christians, non whites, non conservatives who follow their ideals to the T are bad horrible people who want to ruin America. Only think they like about me is that Im white (and thats only technically)
Liberals usually want to make everything all nice and good...but usually to an extreme over protective mother kind of smuthering way.
I am only more inclined towards liberals because they will help me fight to be viewed as a human, instead of some freak. But many of their views I often find missing the mark. (like say, vegans, a more liberal sided type of person)

What are you talking about? Conservatives are just people who favor traditions and possibly gradual change over time. It's a political philosophy, not a moral one...

Also, most "conservatives" I know are perfectly fine with gays, lesbians, bisexuals, transgenders, non-Christians, and non-whites. Some are just a bit touchy when it comes to letting gay people change their traditions.

No offense, but you make some pretty ridiculous blanket statements. You might even be liable to offend someone! Good thing I'm libertarian.

Ok, when you have your rights taken from you, then you will see why conservatives are bad people. I would argue it is you who do not know what a conservative is. Hell, I think a conservative would even agree with me. (though they liekly would consider being anti gay a good thing)
And a "little touchy"? Well, I guess Im a "little touchy" against conservatives for outright hating me and refusing me my rights I deserve. Dont bother responding to me anymore, since I know if I respond to you anymore, somethng I say will get me in trouble, even if it is something I should say.

Well, if you don't want to talk about this anymore, this will be my last post to you.

Let me just leave you with this: I'm guessing you've met some people who claim to be conservative, and I'm guessing they were bigots. Don't become a bigot yourself because a few bad people decided to be jerks to you. Conservatism represents a huge range of political thought, from people who think the government is a way to mandate bigotry to people who think the government has no right to do anything at all (besides common defense and such basics).

Also, don't let America's "conservatives" turn you away from Conservatism as a school of thought, as created by a fine Parliament member by the name of Edmund Burke, who believed strongly in democracy and the duties of representative government, who was one of the few Parliament members who supported our Revolution, and who coined the phrase "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."

 

[Saelune]

Deus Ex 3 being a disappointment would be very disappointing.
EA continuing to own Bioware would also be upsetting

Trump as President.
Conservatives as President.
Liberals either (not as bad as conservatives, but still)
Christianity to be right about anything.
Dying unhappy.

If you don't want conservatives or liberals to be elected, then who do you want elected.

People who actually do whats best for the country. Conservatives and Liberals are posers hwo pretend to be politicians to push morallity into debate. I should not have to worry that the person Im voting for thinks Im a sin for what I am, and liberals, while they atleast have good intentions...tend to be stupid.

For a lot of issues, you've got to be either liberal or conservative :\

It's not so much a problem of who's president, but rather that we're a two party system where everyone is stuck with party platforms if they want party endorsements for reelection.

No. You dont. For one, its Republican and Democrat. However, Conservatives and latched onto Republicans, and Liberals to Dems. But disagreeing with one, doesnt make me agree with the other. But thats because the world is not as black and white as politics would want you to think.
But I so agree the two party system thing is a bad thing. Mostly since whatever one side builds up will be immediatly torn down the second the other side gets power to do so. (See Obama Healthcare for prime example)

You're the one who called them Conservative and Liberal in the first place! It would be extremely weird if you thought conservatives in general thought you were a sin for what you were, while liberals in generals were just stupid, especially conservatism could lead to a completely different stance on an issue depending on one's society and time period. Thus, I reasoned you must have meant "conservatives" as the GOP and "liberals" as the Democratic Party. I felt no desire to call you out on a nitpick, and now you do it to me? How...ungentlemanly. :\

And I never said politics was black and white; I simply said for some issues, it's not a rainbow, but a spectrum of greys. Take, for example, gun control and gay marriage. For both, you have extreme sides and moderate sides, but all along the same spectrum.

Gun Control:
Guns for all, no limitations ---> Guns for some, registration, safe storage, etc --> No guns

Gay Marriage:
Fuck no ---> Some legal rights, civil unions ----> Marriage

For these spectrums, you're either going to be liberal or conservative. Moderate liberal/conservative, sure, but you're still "liberal" or "conservative."

Don't put words in my mouth :|

Id rather be lady like than gentlemanly. I called them conservatives and liberals cause thats what conservatives and liberals are. Personally, it is wrong to presume a republican is a conservative and democrat a liberal, and I feel bad over the non conservative Republicans that Ive vented on. Agreeing with someone on one thing does not make you them. I think it is wrong to kill. Thats also a commandmant in the Bible, doesnt make me Christian, nor should it be viewed as just a Christian view (that is untrue though anyways, but thats not the point)

And if you must label views, then gay marriage isnt a liberal view, its a gay view, and since liberals are more acommodating, gays tend to be liberals out of convienance.

Conservatives are people who hate on you for what you are?
Liberals are well-intentioned fools?

I think you have your terminology a bit off >_>

And if you agree enough with someone, you're pretty close to being them. What I'm saying is, after you tally up all the issues, most likely the candidate is going to be conservative or liberal on average, even if he's moderate.

And supporting gay marriage is certainly a liberal view. Plenty of non-gay liberals support gay marriage. In fact, I'm willing to bet most of them do

How? According to conservatives, gays, lesbians, bisexuals, transgendered, non christians, non whites, non conservatives who follow their ideals to the T are bad horrible people who want to ruin America. Only think they like about me is that Im white (and thats only technically)
Liberals usually want to make everything all nice and good...but usually to an extreme over protective mother kind of smuthering way.
I am only more inclined towards liberals because they will help me fight to be viewed as a human, instead of some freak. But many of their views I often find missing the mark. (like say, vegans, a more liberal sided type of person)

What are you talking about? Conservatives are just people who favor traditions and possibly gradual change over time. It's a political philosophy, not a moral one...

Also, most "conservatives" I know are perfectly fine with gays, lesbians, bisexuals, transgenders, non-Christians, and non-whites. Some are just a bit touchy when it comes to letting gay people change their traditions.

No offense, but you make some pretty ridiculous blanket statements. You might even be liable to offend someone! Good thing I'm libertarian.

Ok, when you have your rights taken from you, then you will see why conservatives are bad people. I would argue it is you who do not know what a conservative is. Hell, I think a conservative would even agree with me. (though they liekly would consider being anti gay a good thing)
And a "little touchy"? Well, I guess Im a "little touchy" against conservatives for outright hating me and refusing me my rights I deserve. Dont bother responding to me anymore, since I know if I respond to you anymore, somethng I say will get me in trouble, even if it is something I should say.

Well, if you don't want to talk about this anymore, this will be my last post to you.

Let me just leave you with this: I'm guessing you've met some people who claim to be conservative, and I'm guessing they were bigots. Don't become a bigot yourself because a few bad people decided to be jerks to you. Conservatism represents a huge range of political thought, from people who think the government is a way to mandate bigotry to people who think the government has no right to do anything at all (besides common defense and such basics).

Also, don't let America's "conservatives" turn you away from Conservatism as a school of thought, as created by a fine Parliament member by the name of Edmund Burke, who believed strongly in democracy and the duties of representative government, who was one of the few Parliament members who supported our Revolution, and who coined the phrase "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."

Ok...apparently you are not from the US. If I had known this, this whole argument would have been avoided, since after reading an article about British conservatives, I learned if I were a British, I would be one.

 

[dyre]

Deus Ex 3 being a disappointment would be very disappointing.
EA continuing to own Bioware would also be upsetting

Trump as President.
Conservatives as President.
Liberals either (not as bad as conservatives, but still)
Christianity to be right about anything.
Dying unhappy.

If you don't want conservatives or liberals to be elected, then who do you want elected.

People who actually do whats best for the country. Conservatives and Liberals are posers hwo pretend to be politicians to push morallity into debate. I should not have to worry that the person Im voting for thinks Im a sin for what I am, and liberals, while they atleast have good intentions...tend to be stupid.

For a lot of issues, you've got to be either liberal or conservative :\

It's not so much a problem of who's president, but rather that we're a two party system where everyone is stuck with party platforms if they want party endorsements for reelection.

No. You dont. For one, its Republican and Democrat. However, Conservatives and latched onto Republicans, and Liberals to Dems. But disagreeing with one, doesnt make me agree with the other. But thats because the world is not as black and white as politics would want you to think.
But I so agree the two party system thing is a bad thing. Mostly since whatever one side builds up will be immediatly torn down the second the other side gets power to do so. (See Obama Healthcare for prime example)

You're the one who called them Conservative and Liberal in the first place! It would be extremely weird if you thought conservatives in general thought you were a sin for what you were, while liberals in generals were just stupid, especially conservatism could lead to a completely different stance on an issue depending on one's society and time period. Thus, I reasoned you must have meant "conservatives" as the GOP and "liberals" as the Democratic Party. I felt no desire to call you out on a nitpick, and now you do it to me? How...ungentlemanly. :\

And I never said politics was black and white; I simply said for some issues, it's not a rainbow, but a spectrum of greys. Take, for example, gun control and gay marriage. For both, you have extreme sides and moderate sides, but all along the same spectrum.

Gun Control:
Guns for all, no limitations ---> Guns for some, registration, safe storage, etc --> No guns

Gay Marriage:
Fuck no ---> Some legal rights, civil unions ----> Marriage

For these spectrums, you're either going to be liberal or conservative. Moderate liberal/conservative, sure, but you're still "liberal" or "conservative."

Don't put words in my mouth :|

Id rather be lady like than gentlemanly. I called them conservatives and liberals cause thats what conservatives and liberals are. Personally, it is wrong to presume a republican is a conservative and democrat a liberal, and I feel bad over the non conservative Republicans that Ive vented on. Agreeing with someone on one thing does not make you them. I think it is wrong to kill. Thats also a commandmant in the Bible, doesnt make me Christian, nor should it be viewed as just a Christian view (that is untrue though anyways, but thats not the point)

And if you must label views, then gay marriage isnt a liberal view, its a gay view, and since liberals are more acommodating, gays tend to be liberals out of convienance.

Conservatives are people who hate on you for what you are?
Liberals are well-intentioned fools?

I think you have your terminology a bit off >_>

And if you agree enough with someone, you're pretty close to being them. What I'm saying is, after you tally up all the issues, most likely the candidate is going to be conservative or liberal on average, even if he's moderate.

And supporting gay marriage is certainly a liberal view. Plenty of non-gay liberals support gay marriage. In fact, I'm willing to bet most of them do

How? According to conservatives, gays, lesbians, bisexuals, transgendered, non christians, non whites, non conservatives who follow their ideals to the T are bad horrible people who want to ruin America. Only think they like about me is that Im white (and thats only technically)
Liberals usually want to make everything all nice and good...but usually to an extreme over protective mother kind of smuthering way.
I am only more inclined towards liberals because they will help me fight to be viewed as a human, instead of some freak. But many of their views I often find missing the mark. (like say, vegans, a more liberal sided type of person)

What are you talking about? Conservatives are just people who favor traditions and possibly gradual change over time. It's a political philosophy, not a moral one...

Also, most "conservatives" I know are perfectly fine with gays, lesbians, bisexuals, transgenders, non-Christians, and non-whites. Some are just a bit touchy when it comes to letting gay people change their traditions.

No offense, but you make some pretty ridiculous blanket statements. You might even be liable to offend someone! Good thing I'm libertarian.

Ok, when you have your rights taken from you, then you will see why conservatives are bad people. I would argue it is you who do not know what a conservative is. Hell, I think a conservative would even agree with me. (though they liekly would consider being anti gay a good thing)
And a "little touchy"? Well, I guess Im a "little touchy" against conservatives for outright hating me and refusing me my rights I deserve. Dont bother responding to me anymore, since I know if I respond to you anymore, somethng I say will get me in trouble, even if it is something I should say.

Well, if you don't want to talk about this anymore, this will be my last post to you.

Let me just leave you with this: I'm guessing you've met some people who claim to be conservative, and I'm guessing they were bigots. Don't become a bigot yourself because a few bad people decided to be jerks to you. Conservatism represents a huge range of political thought, from people who think the government is a way to mandate bigotry to people who think the government has no right to do anything at all (besides common defense and such basics).

Also, don't let America's "conservatives" turn you away from Conservatism as a school of thought, as created by a fine Parliament member by the name of Edmund Burke, who believed strongly in democracy and the duties of representative government, who was one of the few Parliament members who supported our Revolution, and who coined the phrase "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."

Ok...apparently you are not from the US. If I had known this, this whole argument would have been avoided, since after reading an article about British conservatives, I learned if I were a British, I would be one.

I am from the US, actually. I just think the typical American "conservative" is a poor representation of political conservatism.

If you want to call someone a bigot, don't call him a conservative. Just call him a bigot...

 

[Saelune]

Deus Ex 3 being a disappointment would be very disappointing.
EA continuing to own Bioware would also be upsetting

Trump as President.
Conservatives as President.
Liberals either (not as bad as conservatives, but still)
Christianity to be right about anything.
Dying unhappy.

If you don't want conservatives or liberals to be elected, then who do you want elected.

People who actually do whats best for the country. Conservatives and Liberals are posers hwo pretend to be politicians to push morallity into debate. I should not have to worry that the person Im voting for thinks Im a sin for what I am, and liberals, while they atleast have good intentions...tend to be stupid.

For a lot of issues, you've got to be either liberal or conservative :\

It's not so much a problem of who's president, but rather that we're a two party system where everyone is stuck with party platforms if they want party endorsements for reelection.

No. You dont. For one, its Republican and Democrat. However, Conservatives and latched onto Republicans, and Liberals to Dems. But disagreeing with one, doesnt make me agree with the other. But thats because the world is not as black and white as politics would want you to think.
But I so agree the two party system thing is a bad thing. Mostly since whatever one side builds up will be immediatly torn down the second the other side gets power to do so. (See Obama Healthcare for prime example)

You're the one who called them Conservative and Liberal in the first place! It would be extremely weird if you thought conservatives in general thought you were a sin for what you were, while liberals in generals were just stupid, especially conservatism could lead to a completely different stance on an issue depending on one's society and time period. Thus, I reasoned you must have meant "conservatives" as the GOP and "liberals" as the Democratic Party. I felt no desire to call you out on a nitpick, and now you do it to me? How...ungentlemanly. :\

And I never said politics was black and white; I simply said for some issues, it's not a rainbow, but a spectrum of greys. Take, for example, gun control and gay marriage. For both, you have extreme sides and moderate sides, but all along the same spectrum.

Gun Control:
Guns for all, no limitations ---> Guns for some, registration, safe storage, etc --> No guns

Gay Marriage:
Fuck no ---> Some legal rights, civil unions ----> Marriage

For these spectrums, you're either going to be liberal or conservative. Moderate liberal/conservative, sure, but you're still "liberal" or "conservative."

Don't put words in my mouth :|

Id rather be lady like than gentlemanly. I called them conservatives and liberals cause thats what conservatives and liberals are. Personally, it is wrong to presume a republican is a conservative and democrat a liberal, and I feel bad over the non conservative Republicans that Ive vented on. Agreeing with someone on one thing does not make you them. I think it is wrong to kill. Thats also a commandmant in the Bible, doesnt make me Christian, nor should it be viewed as just a Christian view (that is untrue though anyways, but thats not the point)

And if you must label views, then gay marriage isnt a liberal view, its a gay view, and since liberals are more acommodating, gays tend to be liberals out of convienance.

Conservatives are people who hate on you for what you are?
Liberals are well-intentioned fools?

I think you have your terminology a bit off >_>

And if you agree enough with someone, you're pretty close to being them. What I'm saying is, after you tally up all the issues, most likely the candidate is going to be conservative or liberal on average, even if he's moderate.

And supporting gay marriage is certainly a liberal view. Plenty of non-gay liberals support gay marriage. In fact, I'm willing to bet most of them do

How? According to conservatives, gays, lesbians, bisexuals, transgendered, non christians, non whites, non conservatives who follow their ideals to the T are bad horrible people who want to ruin America. Only think they like about me is that Im white (and thats only technically)
Liberals usually want to make everything all nice and good...but usually to an extreme over protective mother kind of smuthering way.
I am only more inclined towards liberals because they will help me fight to be viewed as a human, instead of some freak. But many of their views I often find missing the mark. (like say, vegans, a more liberal sided type of person)

What are you talking about? Conservatives are just people who favor traditions and possibly gradual change over time. It's a political philosophy, not a moral one...

Also, most "conservatives" I know are perfectly fine with gays, lesbians, bisexuals, transgenders, non-Christians, and non-whites. Some are just a bit touchy when it comes to letting gay people change their traditions.

No offense, but you make some pretty ridiculous blanket statements. You might even be liable to offend someone! Good thing I'm libertarian.

Ok, when you have your rights taken from you, then you will see why conservatives are bad people. I would argue it is you who do not know what a conservative is. Hell, I think a conservative would even agree with me. (though they liekly would consider being anti gay a good thing)
And a "little touchy"? Well, I guess Im a "little touchy" against conservatives for outright hating me and refusing me my rights I deserve. Dont bother responding to me anymore, since I know if I respond to you anymore, somethng I say will get me in trouble, even if it is something I should say.

Well, if you don't want to talk about this anymore, this will be my last post to you.

Let me just leave you with this: I'm guessing you've met some people who claim to be conservative, and I'm guessing they were bigots. Don't become a bigot yourself because a few bad people decided to be jerks to you. Conservatism represents a huge range of political thought, from people who think the government is a way to mandate bigotry to people who think the government has no right to do anything at all (besides common defense and such basics).

Also, don't let America's "conservatives" turn you away from Conservatism as a school of thought, as created by a fine Parliament member by the name of Edmund Burke, who believed strongly in democracy and the duties of representative government, who was one of the few Parliament members who supported our Revolution, and who coined the phrase "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."

Ok...apparently you are not from the US. If I had known this, this whole argument would have been avoided, since after reading an article about British conservatives, I learned if I were a British, I would be one.

I am from the US, actually. I just think the typical American "conservative" is a poor representation of political conservatism.

If you want to call someone a bigot, don't call him a conservative. Just call him a bigot...

No. I will call conservatives bigots. The American Conservative is a bigot. When I want to point out that the conservative side in politics, are bigots, i will say so. It is easier than saying bigots because I am refering to that specific group of bigots. While bigotry is bad in general, it is conservatives that primarily are hindering my ability to be equal to my fellow American. I am not talking about the rest of the world, nor are conservatives here.

 

[dyre]

Deus Ex 3 being a disappointment would be very disappointing.
EA continuing to own Bioware would also be upsetting

Trump as President.
Conservatives as President.
Liberals either (not as bad as conservatives, but still)
Christianity to be right about anything.
Dying unhappy.

If you don't want conservatives or liberals to be elected, then who do you want elected.

People who actually do whats best for the country. Conservatives and Liberals are posers hwo pretend to be politicians to push morallity into debate. I should not have to worry that the person Im voting for thinks Im a sin for what I am, and liberals, while they atleast have good intentions...tend to be stupid.

For a lot of issues, you've got to be either liberal or conservative :\

It's not so much a problem of who's president, but rather that we're a two party system where everyone is stuck with party platforms if they want party endorsements for reelection.

No. You dont. For one, its Republican and Democrat. However, Conservatives and latched onto Republicans, and Liberals to Dems. But disagreeing with one, doesnt make me agree with the other. But thats because the world is not as black and white as politics would want you to think.
But I so agree the two party system thing is a bad thing. Mostly since whatever one side builds up will be immediatly torn down the second the other side gets power to do so. (See Obama Healthcare for prime example)

You're the one who called them Conservative and Liberal in the first place! It would be extremely weird if you thought conservatives in general thought you were a sin for what you were, while liberals in generals were just stupid, especially conservatism could lead to a completely different stance on an issue depending on one's society and time period. Thus, I reasoned you must have meant "conservatives" as the GOP and "liberals" as the Democratic Party. I felt no desire to call you out on a nitpick, and now you do it to me? How...ungentlemanly. :\

And I never said politics was black and white; I simply said for some issues, it's not a rainbow, but a spectrum of greys. Take, for example, gun control and gay marriage. For both, you have extreme sides and moderate sides, but all along the same spectrum.

Gun Control:
Guns for all, no limitations ---> Guns for some, registration, safe storage, etc --> No guns

Gay Marriage:
Fuck no ---> Some legal rights, civil unions ----> Marriage

For these spectrums, you're either going to be liberal or conservative. Moderate liberal/conservative, sure, but you're still "liberal" or "conservative."

Don't put words in my mouth :|

Id rather be lady like than gentlemanly. I called them conservatives and liberals cause thats what conservatives and liberals are. Personally, it is wrong to presume a republican is a conservative and democrat a liberal, and I feel bad over the non conservative Republicans that Ive vented on. Agreeing with someone on one thing does not make you them. I think it is wrong to kill. Thats also a commandmant in the Bible, doesnt make me Christian, nor should it be viewed as just a Christian view (that is untrue though anyways, but thats not the point)

And if you must label views, then gay marriage isnt a liberal view, its a gay view, and since liberals are more acommodating, gays tend to be liberals out of convienance.

Conservatives are people who hate on you for what you are?
Liberals are well-intentioned fools?

I think you have your terminology a bit off >_>

And if you agree enough with someone, you're pretty close to being them. What I'm saying is, after you tally up all the issues, most likely the candidate is going to be conservative or liberal on average, even if he's moderate.

And supporting gay marriage is certainly a liberal view. Plenty of non-gay liberals support gay marriage. In fact, I'm willing to bet most of them do

How? According to conservatives, gays, lesbians, bisexuals, transgendered, non christians, non whites, non conservatives who follow their ideals to the T are bad horrible people who want to ruin America. Only think they like about me is that Im white (and thats only technically)
Liberals usually want to make everything all nice and good...but usually to an extreme over protective mother kind of smuthering way.
I am only more inclined towards liberals because they will help me fight to be viewed as a human, instead of some freak. But many of their views I often find missing the mark. (like say, vegans, a more liberal sided type of person)

What are you talking about? Conservatives are just people who favor traditions and possibly gradual change over time. It's a political philosophy, not a moral one...

Also, most "conservatives" I know are perfectly fine with gays, lesbians, bisexuals, transgenders, non-Christians, and non-whites. Some are just a bit touchy when it comes to letting gay people change their traditions.

No offense, but you make some pretty ridiculous blanket statements. You might even be liable to offend someone! Good thing I'm libertarian.

Ok, when you have your rights taken from you, then you will see why conservatives are bad people. I would argue it is you who do not know what a conservative is. Hell, I think a conservative would even agree with me. (though they liekly would consider being anti gay a good thing)
And a "little touchy"? Well, I guess Im a "little touchy" against conservatives for outright hating me and refusing me my rights I deserve. Dont bother responding to me anymore, since I know if I respond to you anymore, somethng I say will get me in trouble, even if it is something I should say.

Well, if you don't want to talk about this anymore, this will be my last post to you.

Let me just leave you with this: I'm guessing you've met some people who claim to be conservative, and I'm guessing they were bigots. Don't become a bigot yourself because a few bad people decided to be jerks to you. Conservatism represents a huge range of political thought, from people who think the government is a way to mandate bigotry to people who think the government has no right to do anything at all (besides common defense and such basics).

Also, don't let America's "conservatives" turn you away from Conservatism as a school of thought, as created by a fine Parliament member by the name of Edmund Burke, who believed strongly in democracy and the duties of representative government, who was one of the few Parliament members who supported our Revolution, and who coined the phrase "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."

Ok...apparently you are not from the US. If I had known this, this whole argument would have been avoided, since after reading an article about British conservatives, I learned if I were a British, I would be one.

I am from the US, actually. I just think the typical American "conservative" is a poor representation of political conservatism.

If you want to call someone a bigot, don't call him a conservative. Just call him a bigot...

No. I will call conservatives bigots. The American Conservative is a bigot. When I want to point out that the conservative side in politics, are bigots, i will say so. It is easier than saying bigots because I am refering to that specific group of bigots. While bigotry is bad in general, it is conservatives that primarily are hindering my ability to be equal to my fellow American. I am not talking about the rest of the world, nor are conservatives here.

*sigh*...

Suit yourself. I'm just glad I don't meet such hateful people in real life...

 

[Trolldor]

I'm sorry, but the title of this thread is beyond absurd.

I mean, I could see them buying Mojang, but valve is simply far too successful and nowhere even close to needing the backing of a major publisher. Valve is a major publisher.

 

[Ldude893]

Dammit, I'm 16 years old and you almost gave me a heart attack.

If Activision or some big-shot publisher ever buys Valve, I'll burn down their headquarters.

[sub]Once the building's evacuated, of course.[/sub]

 

[Wintermoot]

Nintendo making "hard core" games
Valve releasing games on time
EA stopping their yearly rehash of the same game and release them as DLC,s

 

[Saelune]

Deus Ex 3 being a disappointment would be very disappointing.
EA continuing to own Bioware would also be upsetting

Trump as President.
Conservatives as President.
Liberals either (not as bad as conservatives, but still)
Christianity to be right about anything.
Dying unhappy.

If you don't want conservatives or liberals to be elected, then who do you want elected.

People who actually do whats best for the country. Conservatives and Liberals are posers hwo pretend to be politicians to push morallity into debate. I should not have to worry that the person Im voting for thinks Im a sin for what I am, and liberals, while they atleast have good intentions...tend to be stupid.

For a lot of issues, you've got to be either liberal or conservative :\

It's not so much a problem of who's president, but rather that we're a two party system where everyone is stuck with party platforms if they want party endorsements for reelection.

No. You dont. For one, its Republican and Democrat. However, Conservatives and latched onto Republicans, and Liberals to Dems. But disagreeing with one, doesnt make me agree with the other. But thats because the world is not as black and white as politics would want you to think.
But I so agree the two party system thing is a bad thing. Mostly since whatever one side builds up will be immediatly torn down the second the other side gets power to do so. (See Obama Healthcare for prime example)

You're the one who called them Conservative and Liberal in the first place! It would be extremely weird if you thought conservatives in general thought you were a sin for what you were, while liberals in generals were just stupid, especially conservatism could lead to a completely different stance on an issue depending on one's society and time period. Thus, I reasoned you must have meant "conservatives" as the GOP and "liberals" as the Democratic Party. I felt no desire to call you out on a nitpick, and now you do it to me? How...ungentlemanly. :\

And I never said politics was black and white; I simply said for some issues, it's not a rainbow, but a spectrum of greys. Take, for example, gun control and gay marriage. For both, you have extreme sides and moderate sides, but all along the same spectrum.

Gun Control:
Guns for all, no limitations ---> Guns for some, registration, safe storage, etc --> No guns

Gay Marriage:
Fuck no ---> Some legal rights, civil unions ----> Marriage

For these spectrums, you're either going to be liberal or conservative. Moderate liberal/conservative, sure, but you're still "liberal" or "conservative."

Don't put words in my mouth :|

Id rather be lady like than gentlemanly. I called them conservatives and liberals cause thats what conservatives and liberals are. Personally, it is wrong to presume a republican is a conservative and democrat a liberal, and I feel bad over the non conservative Republicans that Ive vented on. Agreeing with someone on one thing does not make you them. I think it is wrong to kill. Thats also a commandmant in the Bible, doesnt make me Christian, nor should it be viewed as just a Christian view (that is untrue though anyways, but thats not the point)

And if you must label views, then gay marriage isnt a liberal view, its a gay view, and since liberals are more acommodating, gays tend to be liberals out of convienance.

Conservatives are people who hate on you for what you are?
Liberals are well-intentioned fools?

I think you have your terminology a bit off >_>

And if you agree enough with someone, you're pretty close to being them. What I'm saying is, after you tally up all the issues, most likely the candidate is going to be conservative or liberal on average, even if he's moderate.

And supporting gay marriage is certainly a liberal view. Plenty of non-gay liberals support gay marriage. In fact, I'm willing to bet most of them do

How? According to conservatives, gays, lesbians, bisexuals, transgendered, non christians, non whites, non conservatives who follow their ideals to the T are bad horrible people who want to ruin America. Only think they like about me is that Im white (and thats only technically)
Liberals usually want to make everything all nice and good...but usually to an extreme over protective mother kind of smuthering way.
I am only more inclined towards liberals because they will help me fight to be viewed as a human, instead of some freak. But many of their views I often find missing the mark. (like say, vegans, a more liberal sided type of person)

What are you talking about? Conservatives are just people who favor traditions and possibly gradual change over time. It's a political philosophy, not a moral one...

Also, most "conservatives" I know are perfectly fine with gays, lesbians, bisexuals, transgenders, non-Christians, and non-whites. Some are just a bit touchy when it comes to letting gay people change their traditions.

No offense, but you make some pretty ridiculous blanket statements. You might even be liable to offend someone! Good thing I'm libertarian.

Ok, when you have your rights taken from you, then you will see why conservatives are bad people. I would argue it is you who do not know what a conservative is. Hell, I think a conservative would even agree with me. (though they liekly would consider being anti gay a good thing)
And a "little touchy"? Well, I guess Im a "little touchy" against conservatives for outright hating me and refusing me my rights I deserve. Dont bother responding to me anymore, since I know if I respond to you anymore, somethng I say will get me in trouble, even if it is something I should say.

Well, if you don't want to talk about this anymore, this will be my last post to you.

Let me just leave you with this: I'm guessing you've met some people who claim to be conservative, and I'm guessing they were bigots. Don't become a bigot yourself because a few bad people decided to be jerks to you. Conservatism represents a huge range of political thought, from people who think the government is a way to mandate bigotry to people who think the government has no right to do anything at all (besides common defense and such basics).

Also, don't let America's "conservatives" turn you away from Conservatism as a school of thought, as created by a fine Parliament member by the name of Edmund Burke, who believed strongly in democracy and the duties of representative government, who was one of the few Parliament members who supported our Revolution, and who coined the phrase "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."

Ok...apparently you are not from the US. If I had known this, this whole argument would have been avoided, since after reading an article about British conservatives, I learned if I were a British, I would be one.

I am from the US, actually. I just think the typical American "conservative" is a poor representation of political conservatism.

If you want to call someone a bigot, don't call him a conservative. Just call him a bigot...

No. I will call conservatives bigots. The American Conservative is a bigot. When I want to point out that the conservative side in politics, are bigots, i will say so. It is easier than saying bigots because I am refering to that specific group of bigots. While bigotry is bad in general, it is conservatives that primarily are hindering my ability to be equal to my fellow American. I am not talking about the rest of the world, nor are conservatives here.

*sigh*...

Suit yourself. I'm just glad I don't meet such hateful people in real life...

If you think I am a hateful person for fighting against a group who literally go out of their way to put down my rights, then I am proud to be hateful. Yes, I am hateful. Just as any revolutionary is hateful agaisnt their tyrant! The idea that I am wrong because I fight for my rights is truly selfish and absurd. No. I am not wrong for being hateful against conservatives, because leniancy will result in me being subhuman according to the government. But as someone who apparently is all fine and dandy in the eyes of such people, you will apparently never understand.