After watching tonights Grey's Anatomy. Is a man allowed to defend himself against a woman?

[wiz828]

In last nights episode one guy tells another guy that if a woman punches you (real violence, not a friendly punch on the shoulder) you either take it, or you walk away, but you are never allowed to hit her back and if you do hit her back and you end up in the hospital almost losing your life (as was the case in the episode) it's all your own fault.

I'm not gonna bore you with all the details of the episode that lead up to this, but suffice it to say this sort of double standard and, in my opinion, blatant misandry just makes me sick.

Am I wrong in feeling this way?

 

[9thRequiem]

If it's to defend myself, I'd hit anyone with enough force to make them stop, and no more - and naturally the amount of force required should depend on who it is, what the situation is, and the amount of danger posed to yourself. Fact is, if someone initiates violence, it's all on them.
Domestic violence is truly awful regardless of sexes involved. The whole "Shouldn't hit a girl" should really be "Shouldn't hit anyone".

 

[Mr Cwtchy]

No, he should just stand there and let himself get beaten up.

Jesus Christ, is this actually something to be debated?

 

[Hagi]

Yes, always.

Although it should be a last resort and the response should be measured to the attacker.

Regardless of who punched you if it's at all possible try to find a non-violent solution, although at the point punches start being thrown around chances of that are pretty slim.

If there is none then feel free to hit back but do so in measure. Just hitting them with all you've got is rarely the best option. If you're stronger then a headlock will probably be a much better option, especially if the person punching you is much smaller as well.

Spoiler: Also, though I doubt anyone will listen please do take into account that this point goes both ways. So let's try not to turn this into a men vs. women thread... again... If you want to talk about whose having it worse then I've got some great little African kids of all genders currently on sale, half of them are already dead though.

 

[hazabaza1]

Just as much as you'd defend yourself with anyone else.

 

[wiz828]

No, he should just stand there and let himself get beaten up.

Jesus Christ, is this actually something to be debated?

Well, that's the problem. I frequent a number of entertainment sites (think EW.com for example) where this episode gets a lot of discussion (Grey's Anatomy is a popular show still). And I see a lot of people, mostly women, voicing their support for the stance that a man should never hit a woman, not even in defense.

 

[Sonntam]

No, he should just stand there and let himself get beaten up.

Jesus Christ, is this actually something to be debated?

Well, that's the problem. I frequent a number of entertainment sites (think EW.com for example) where this episode gets a lot of discussion (Grey's Anatomy is a popular show still). And I see a lot of people, mostly women, voicing their support for the stance that a man should never hit a woman, not even in defense.

And that's why we need feminism, ladies and gentlemen.

 

[Genocidicles]

]And that's why we need feminism, ladies and gentlemen.

If it's defending the the rights of people other than women it is no longer feminism.

It's egalitarianism or something.

 

[Thaluikhain]

]And that's why we need feminism, ladies and gentlemen.

If it's defending the the rights of people other than women it is no longer feminism.

It's egalitarianism or something.

Well, it's saying that men and women should be treated the same, which sorta is what feminism is all about.

...

As an aside, egalitarianism or whatever is vague enough to be meaningless. Lots of people say "we should treat everyone the same", but with very specific meanings of "everyone" that exclude all sorts of people.

 

[Strazdas]

Legaly - yes.
In our society - no. The society will cling and claim that you attacked her regardless of anything else, because they are blind to woman ability to attack first just like they are blind to woman being able to rape someone.

]And that's why we need feminism, ladies and gentlemen.

If it's defending the the rights of people other than women it is no longer feminism.

It's egalitarianism or something.

feminism is in essense for equal rights for women, and in this case equal rights mean both should be able to defend themselves.

 

[dumbseizure]

Legaly - yes.
In our society - no. The society will cling and claim that you attacked her regardless of anything else, because they are blind to woman ability to attack first just like they are blind to woman being able to rape someone.

I couldn't care less what society thinks, if a woman is attacking me with her full force, i'm going to punch her in the head full force.

Everyone is for "equal rights for women", so I will treat her like shes a man attacking me.

 

[Baron von Blitztank]

Well as I said in the recent Dog Punching thread:

It makes no difference to me. Dog, Cat, Human, Tiger, Mongoose. Male, Female. If something starts trying to attack me, then I am punching that sucker in the fucking spleen!

And in this case it is no exception. If a woman starts attacking me with force then I shall gladly repay the damage in full.

 

[Vivi22]

In last nights episode one guy tells another guy that if a woman punches you (real violence, not a friendly punch on the shoulder) you either take it, or you walk away, but you are never allowed to hit her back and if you do hit her back and you end up in the hospital almost losing your life (as was the case in the episode) it's all your own fault.

I'm not gonna bore you with all the details of the episode that lead up to this, but suffice it to say this sort of double standard and, in my opinion, blatant misandry just makes me sick.

Am I wrong in feeling this way?

I really don't think that's what he was saying in the episode, though it was highlighting a double standard which does happen in real life and which is quite unfortunate.

On a purely hypothetical level do you have the right to defend yourself if a woman attacks you? Absolutely. But unless there are witnesses what will actually happen after? It's your word against theirs and you will be seen as the guy who hit a woman, not the victim of an assault. It happens all of the time with domestic abuse cases where women are perpetrating violence against their spouse/boyfriend. Even when they're beat up and don't hit back, police and prosecutors frequently blow off any claims of abuse because how could the woman be abusing the man?

It's ridiculous and appalling, but it does happen.

 

[Strazdas]

Legaly - yes.
In our society - no. The society will cling and claim that you attacked her regardless of anything else, because they are blind to woman ability to attack first just like they are blind to woman being able to rape someone.

I couldn't care less what society thinks, if a woman is attacking me with her full force, i'm going to punch her in the head full force.

Everyone is for "equal rights for women", so I will treat her like shes a man attacking me.

do you live alone outside of any city borders making your own food and clothes without the need to "go shopping"? if the asnwer is no then you DO care what society thinks.

 

[Thaluikhain]

I really don't think that's what he was saying in the episode, though it was highlighting a double standard which does happen in real life and which is quite unfortunate.

On a purely hypothetical level do you have the right to defend yourself if a woman attacks you? Absolutely. But unless there are witnesses what will actually happen after? It's your word against theirs and you will be seen as the guy who hit a woman, not the victim of an assault. It happens all of the time with domestic abuse cases where women are perpetrating violence against their spouse/boyfriend. Even when they're beat up and don't hit back, police and prosecutors frequently blow off any claims of abuse because how could the woman be abusing the man?

It's ridiculous and appalling, but it does happen.

I dunno, I was talking the other day to a woman I knew, and she'd been hit in the face by her boyfriend who then locked her out of her house, and then she'd broken a window with a chair. The neighbours called the police and she got arrested.

Not saying that it doesn't happen, just that it may or may not.

 

[dumbseizure]

Legaly - yes.
In our society - no. The society will cling and claim that you attacked her regardless of anything else, because they are blind to woman ability to attack first just like they are blind to woman being able to rape someone.

I couldn't care less what society thinks, if a woman is attacking me with her full force, i'm going to punch her in the head full force.

Everyone is for "equal rights for women", so I will treat her like shes a man attacking me.

do you live alone outside of any city borders making your own food and clothes without the need to "go shopping"? if the asnwer is no then you DO care what society thinks.

What? I don't even understand.

Do I need to clarify?

I don't care what society thinks about me PUNCHING A WOMAN IN SELF DEFENCE, not "I don't care what society thinks" in general.

Just because I don't care about what everyone thinks on a single thing, doesn't mean "FUCK SOCIETY, I'M OUTTA HERE TIME TO LIVE IN A CAVE".

I am not joking, I don't understand why you responded with that.

 

[Lynx]

Is he morally allowed to? Yes.
Is it truly in his best interest to do so, considering how easily the deranged woman could fake a few tears and claim to the police that he started it? I don't know. He might end up losing even more.

I have a male friend who got slapped, humiliated and tugged at several times by his (now ex) girlfriend. Finally, at a party when he was drunk enough, she slapped him and he punched her back. I didn't blame him, neither did anybody else. Thank god they're broken up now.

 

[DugMachine]

Yes... but expect to get in trouble for it. Even with the law.

Even with witnesses, people will tend to side with the woman because "You never hit a woman" is still a thing. Should be changed to "You never hit a person". I've never had to hit a female. I've restrained a few that get physical but out right beating their face? No.

Can't say the same for men as I've fought a few but I've never hit a woman. Not because I believe in "Never hit a woman" but because they just weren't that aggressive where I needed to fight back to shut them down.

But seriously the whole thing is dumb. Let's just stop hitting each other. u guise im seriuz, stahp

 

[Drauger]

! so greys anatomy is still running??.... omg I honestly didn't knew that, i don't see that much t.v anymore .....


Anyway yeah dude defend yourself righ?, actually I think that if a woman hit/punches me/kicks me/whatever I would leave how ever, if she actually hits me more than once, then I agree with the defend yourself, not because boys shouldn't hit girls, it's because you would end up in jail for hitting a woman if you act that way, yeah double standard.

 

[FoolKiller]

Well as I said in the recent Dog Punching thread:

It makes no difference to me. Dog, Cat, Human, Tiger, Mongoose. Male, Female. If something starts trying to attack me, then I am punching that sucker in the fucking spleen!

And in this case it is no exception. If a woman starts attacking me with force then I shall gladly repay the damage in full.

Although if a dog attacks me and the owner isn't doing their best to control their dog, then I may punch the owner too.

But yes, you hit me then I will hit you back as hard as I can. The whole "just hard enough" is such bullshit. I don't know what is just hard enough for any individual. You may pull a knife or gun or frying pan if I don't hit hard enough. Simple rule: if you don't want me to hit you, then don't hit me first.