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Xojins, I appreciate the attempt at explaining but you make a lot of generalisations and, at the risk of sounding arrogant, those points certainly don't apply to me.

1. My voice has pretty much broken. People online say that I sound 16/17 and are sometimes quite surprised when I tell them my age.

2. Most of the things I say during online games are to do with the game itself e.g "enemy X is entering the basis via entrance Y" and, if it isn't about the game, it's still relevant to what's being discussed.

3. I never team kill intentionally. Occasionally, I temporarily forget which team I'm on or someone ends up in my line of fire during hectic moments of online games but these moments are very rare and understandable.
 

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You have an annoying high pitch voice which means that if you want to be a team player you will be subjecting them to that and they won't like it. If you want to play just send them a message stating that your mic is broken, and don't breath in to it.
 

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conqueror Kenny said:
That happened to me before my voice broke, annoyed me more because the most I was saying was "There's a guy coming down the right." The lovely responses I got were mostly, "SHUT UP KID AND LEARN YOUR LEFT AND RIGHT." They got more annoyed when I laughed as they got attacked from the right.
Some people are idiots; but trust me it doesn't end when your voice breaks. Now I just get people telling me to "Shut up you British fag." To which I normally reply "Do you even know the difference between being British and English?" They usually stutter a bit before calling me a British fag again and booting me.
It's not because of your age that people do things like that, it's because their nob heads and feel like bullying somebody, you're different it's easy.
Shut up you English Fag.

:p

In total I think everything that needed to be said in this thread has been thread. Prove your mature, and deal with shit you get, it's the internet. Good night ladies and gentlemen.
 

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Ago Iterum said:
GenHellspawn said:
Ago Iterum said:
the hosts will kick you/ban you because the law says they have to.
Wait, what? I don't live in USA, but is there really a law like that?
Yeah. Age ratings are partially law enforced. Not to the point where the kids will be arrested for playing them, obviously, but companies get fined if they are caught selling M games to kids.

Under the same law that prohibits them selling alcahol and porn to kids.

And to cover their asses against these laws, mods will enforce these rules, by kicking/banning people who aren't supposed to be on the game.

*EDIT* and I'm not from the US either, bt it's the same here in the UK. And everywhere really.
That doesn't fit though, parents can legally buy the games for their kids. That is illegal for alcohol (check your spelling) and porn. COMPLETELY different situation
 

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naftali1 said:
GenHellspawn said:
Ago Iterum said:
the hosts will kick you/ban you because the law says they have to.
Wait, what? I don't live in USA, but is there really a law like that?
Not that I've heard of....where exactly did this "law" come from?
If you read following statements I made, it's not a direct law, but other little laws that make moderators ban kids. To save their asses from consequent lawsuits and fines if something goes wrong.

I've worked in a game store, and it was part of my briefing, all of the explainations behind these sorts of things. It's to save the game stores and the server mods asses.

So don't trivialise what I'm saying as if I'm making shit up.
 

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I personally don't care about age, but maybe you would if you put yourself in their position. If you play a game that is generally for adults, you are 5 years below the age of 18. So think about playing a game with an 8-year-old (since you're 13). I don't feel this way, but I think the people who kicked you probably do.
 

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Xojins said:
Ago Iterum said:
There isn't a law stopping them playing it, but to cover themselves from any accusationsthat can lead to lawsuits, finingsm for whatever reason, the mods will just kick the underage people.
Perhaps I'm not understanding what you're saying, but explain what you mean by "mods." Do you mean mods for specific games or just for networks like XBL in general?
I mean the moderators. They are told to ban kids, for reasons I've stated a few times.

And this wouldn't need to happen if parents stoped blaming screwed up kids on games.
 

Isaac Dodgson

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Although "you'll understand when you're older" is something young people (including myself) don't like to hear, it's absolutely true. However, I'll attempt to explain it as best I can.

It's not as much about maturity in terms of game content as it is about maturity in terms of the social aspect (XBL for example). The fact is that the overwhelming majority of young gamers (pre-pubescent gamers, more specifically) detract from the gaming experience while playing online, at least in my opinion. The reason they detract from the gaming experience is that:

1) They have high-pitched, squeaky voices (which are annoying, and you'll realize that when you're older. If your voice has already changed, then ignore this reason)
2) They generally don't have anything intelligent to contribute to most conversations
3) Many of them (not all, but many) think stupid things like team-killing is fun and enjoyable

There's my 2 cents for you. While you may not agree with it, many others do, and you will understand once you're older, as I did.
Well... Yes, I have to agree with you on these points to an extent, though I think you've really blanketed the issue, and if I may I'd like to elaborate a bit.

You describe the stereotype of the pre-pubescent gamer. Now, we are taught in most circles, that stereotypes are harsh, and not always true, but at the same time, they exist for a reason, and in this case, I can honestly say a majority of those who I've encounter online who are young, and more than likely still in junior high, early high school or in rare cases elementary school are "high-pitched annoying snot nosed little brats." but that doesn't mean I haven't encounter some who aren't and that also doesn't mean that there aren't more out there, nor are there those older who could easily qualify as "immature and annoying."

Now, to Some Random Guy; the phrase "You'll understand when you're older" used to irk me beyond belief when I was younger. And unlike you I did consider myself more mature than most 18 year olds when I was 15 (and if you knew the ones who lived around me at the time you might share my opinion). I wasn't arrogant, but I wasn't an idiot either, so the idea that I couldn't possibly understand then, and would in years time upset me.

But it makes sense, and yes, you will understand why the majority of people who are "older" feel this way when you claim yourself within our ranks. For me age and maturity came coupled with indignation as well as some veiled jealousy of the younger folk, and ironically, for others, a lack of understanding can manifest, or rather most forget what it was like to be a kid.

Hearing the high pitched rantings and empty insults from a thirteen year old over XBL sparks the thought "Ugh! I don't want to deal with that right now on top of everything else." and for me there's also the "Heh wish I could be young and stupid again" but I don't dare admit it in the moment. For many others they forget that for a majority it's just how kids are. They're lack of world experience makes most horrid conversationalists, who can only contribute to a narrow scope of topics, and immature antics such as team-killing, and the eternally annoying "tea-bag." only serves to annoy most further. These qualities are not present in all of the younger generation, but in enough to have older folks warrant such a universal response of disdain and annoyance, at the mere thought of someone being that age within the game.

Now, you're in an interesting position, one I found myself in when i was younger. You're more mature than most of your peers, but at the same time supposedly not mature enough to be excepted by those you feel are your equal, and you're not because of your age. It sucks, I know it does, but you can argue 'till you're blue in the face and try to convince everyone that you're not like the "rest of them." but it won't matter. I could explain it all to you, as I've just attempted to do, but sadly, you'll understand it best when you're older, and for that I'm sorry.

Ironically though I'm pretty young myself, and after reading all of that, I come across seemingly older, or at least some young d-bag who thinks he understands the world and it's people better than anyone else. No, that's not true, I'm Twenty, I'm in the same place as you in other circles, and can appreciate the situation, but not to toot my own horn. I'm not stupid, I know how things work, I know how people work in general, and at the risk of sounding incredibly cliche, people suck.
 

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Ago Iterum said:
naftali1 said:
GenHellspawn said:
Ago Iterum said:
the hosts will kick you/ban you because the law says they have to.
Wait, what? I don't live in USA, but is there really a law like that?
Not that I've heard of....where exactly did this "law" come from?
If you read following statements I made, it's not a direct law, but other little laws that make moderators ban kids. To save their asses from consequent lawsuits and fines if something goes wrong.

I've worked in a game store, and it was part of my briefing, all of the explainations behind these sorts of things. It's to save the game stores and the server mods asses.

So don't trivialise what I'm saying as if I'm making shit up.
Wow, I sense some tension...I just wanted you to elaborate.
 

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naftali1 said:
Ago Iterum said:
naftali1 said:
GenHellspawn said:
Ago Iterum said:
the hosts will kick you/ban you because the law says they have to.
Wait, what? I don't live in USA, but is there really a law like that?
Not that I've heard of....where exactly did this "law" come from?
If you read following statements I made, it's not a direct law, but other little laws that make moderators ban kids. To save their asses from consequent lawsuits and fines if something goes wrong.

I've worked in a game store, and it was part of my briefing, all of the explainations behind these sorts of things. It's to save the game stores and the server mods asses.

So don't trivialise what I'm saying as if I'm making shit up.
Wow, I sense some tension...I just wanted you to elaborate.
Fair enough, and sorry for snapping,

But a few people have trivialised things that I've stated, when I've already explained them a coupld of times.
 

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some random guy said:
Xojins, I appreciate the attempt at explaining but you make a lot of generalisations and, at the risk of sounding arrogant, those points certainly don't apply to me.

1. My voice has pretty much broken. People online say that I sound 16/17 and are sometimes quite surprised when I tell them my age.

2. Most of the things I say during online games are to do with the game itself e.g "enemy X is entering the basis via entrance Y" and, if it isn't about the game, it's still relevant to what's being discussed.

3. I never team kill intentionally. Occasionally, I temporarily forget which team I'm on or someone ends up in my line of fire during hectic moments of online games but these moments are very rare and understandable.
I do make generalizations. However, in most cases (from personal experience as well as from what I've heard), these generalizations are true. I also did say that those points were not always true. However, I guarantee that most young kids playing online would say these points don't apply to them either. I'm not trying to put you down or anything, but I say what is true from my experiences.
 

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Its weird whenever I play I talk all the time I'm 13 and have a somewhat high voice and not once have I been ridiculed for it in fact I was playing halo with a friend once who had the same if not deeper voice than me so I spoke and everyone answered to whatever I said and then he said something and a few guys (I'm pretty sure these guys even responded to me) started to start saying things to my friend like aren't you a little too young for this game and stuff like that I still have no idea why.
 

Isaac Dodgson

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yeesh, I spent so much time on that post nearly a whole page went by... but yeah to some up, people over generalize, it blows, but you can't change the world by arguing with it...
 

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Ago Iterum said:
naftali1 said:
Ago Iterum said:
naftali1 said:
GenHellspawn said:
Ago Iterum said:
the hosts will kick you/ban you because the law says they have to.
Wait, what? I don't live in USA, but is there really a law like that?
Not that I've heard of....where exactly did this "law" come from?
If you read following statements I made, it's not a direct law, but other little laws that make moderators ban kids. To save their asses from consequent lawsuits and fines if something goes wrong.

I've worked in a game store, and it was part of my briefing, all of the explainations behind these sorts of things. It's to save the game stores and the server mods asses.

So don't trivialise what I'm saying as if I'm making shit up.
Wow, I sense some tension...I just wanted you to elaborate.
Fair enough, and sorry for snapping,

But a few people have trivialised things that I've stated, when I've already explained them a coupld of times.
Try explaining yourself better the first time. I know the first time. It leaves less room for misunderstanding and people will be less likely to repeat what other people have stated already but they haven't read....sorry, that only kinda made sense.
 

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Isaac Dodgson said:
Xojins said:
Although "you'll understand when you're older" is something young people (including myself) don't like to hear, it's absolutely true. However, I'll attempt to explain it as best I can.

It's not as much about maturity in terms of game content as it is about maturity in terms of the social aspect (XBL for example). The fact is that the overwhelming majority of young gamers (pre-pubescent gamers, more specifically) detract from the gaming experience while playing online, at least in my opinion. The reason they detract from the gaming experience is that:

1) They have high-pitched, squeaky voices (which are annoying, and you'll realize that when you're older. If your voice has already changed, then ignore this reason)
2) They generally don't have anything intelligent to contribute to most conversations
3) Many of them (not all, but many) think stupid things like team-killing is fun and enjoyable

There's my 2 cents for you. While you may not agree with it, many others do, and you will understand once you're older, as I did.
Well... Yes, I have to agree with you on these points to an extent, though I think you've really blanketed the issue, and if I may I'd like to elaborate a bit.

You describe the stereotype of the pre-pubescent gamer. Now, we are taught in most circles, that stereotypes are harsh, and not always true, but at the same time, they exist for a reason, and in this case, I can honestly say a majority of those who I've encounter online who are young, and more than likely still in junior high, early high school or in rare cases elementary school are "high-pitched annoying snot nosed little brats." but that doesn't mean I haven't encounter some who aren't and that also doesn't mean that there aren't more out there, nor are there those older who could easily qualify as "immature and annoying."
Well, we've clearly had different experiences playing online. I can honestly say that I haven't met a single young, mature kid while playing online yet. I acknowledge that yes, there are mature, young gamers out there, but I haven't encountered any. Also, if you refer to one of my previous posts, until I meet one, my opinion stands as is. I guess it just depends on what experiences you've had online.
 

Isaac Dodgson

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Xojins said:
Well, we've clearly had different experiences playing online. I can honestly say that I haven't met a single young, mature kid while playing online yet. I acknowledge that yes, there are mature, young gamers out there, but I haven't encountered any. Also, if you refer to one of my previous posts, until I meet one, my opinion stands as is. I guess it just depends on what experiences you've had online.
Well... That's because you're playing Halo

;P
 

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Another thing I don't believe that age maters when it comes to mature games I think maturity matters because here is a scenario left 4 dead a 5 year old could be less scared of zombies than an 18 (highly unlikely but its an example) my point though is that those age tags are just saying "unless your of this age you may not be mature enough for this game" but it is absolutely normal for someone of my age to play M rated games as long as we are mature enough about them. ALSO one thing that bothers me is when the hooting frat boys screaming and cussing in chat complain and cuss about a young person playing when the young person is just playing the game which I think means that apparently the young person is more mature than the older.
 

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Let me try and make a few things clear:

The person who originally replied to my first post in this thread claimed that, purely because of my age, it isn't possible for me to be mature enough to play these games. He backed up that claim with nothing more than the almost meaningless statement "you'll understand when you're older". I then asked him to back up his claim properly.

Xojins, as you said earlier, your generalisations don't apply to everyone. Therefore, they don't back up the other guy's claim that it's impossible for me to be mature enough to handle the content in these games purely because of my age.

Isaac Dodgson, the thing is that I am accepted by others. I'm rarely criticised because of my age and I have plenty of friends that I play online with who are considerably older than me. I'm participating in this discussion for the people who aren't accepted. Who get ridiculed and kicked out of servers for things as insignificant as having a high pitched voice.
 

Isaac Dodgson

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some random guy said:
Let me try and make a few things clear:

The person who originally replied to my first post in this thread claimed that, purely because of my age, it isn't possible for me to be mature enough to play these games. He backed up that claim with nothing more than the almost meaningless statement "you'll understand when you're older". I then asked him to back up his claim properly.

Xojins, as you said earlier, your generalisations don't apply to everyone. Therefore, they don't back up the other guy's claim that it's impossible for me to be mature enough to handle the content in these games purely because of my age.

Isaac Dodgson, the thing is that I am accepted by others. I'm rarely criticised because of my age and I have plenty of friends that I play online with who are considerably older than me. I'm participating in this discussion for the people who aren't accepted. Who get ridiculed and kicked out of servers for things as insignificant as having a high pitched voice.
Well then, I bight my tongue in some respects, and instead direct my words to the rest of the group (though I kinda already meant them to be). Consider yourself lucky, or at the very least appreciate the understanding friends you got, you got lucky.