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It isn't insignificant when you realise that your parents are part of the reason Fallout 3 doesn't have morphine.some random guy said:
Can you at the same time understand that it could be hard for a lot of others your age to tolerate the content in a mature manner? Those who say it's impossible for you to be mature enough to handle it are guilty of over generalizing, this has been established, but it's not like the idea is completely baseless, it's just, again, blankets over the entire issue instead of going more in depth.Undeadundertaker333 said:
Again, you can't change the world by arguing with it... Take solace that not everyone automatically dubs you as immature, and don't be just as guilty as them to think that everyone does.Undeadundertaker333 said:
There's another thing I'd like to point out.
Xojins, you made the statement earlier that you haven't met a single young, mature person while playing online. That probably isn't true though. What is true is that you haven't met anyone who you know to be young who is also mature while playing online. People don't go around constantly mentioning their age. You've probably, at some point, met a mature young person who you mistook for someone older
Xojins, you made the statement earlier that you haven't met a single young, mature person while playing online. That probably isn't true though. What is true is that you haven't met anyone who you know to be young who is also mature while playing online. People don't go around constantly mentioning their age. You've probably, at some point, met a mature young person who you mistook for someone older
That is a good point, I have met a lot of people and only after several hours of playing with them I found that they were only fourteen or fifteen. Mind you, other have found the same thing about me and some of my friends.some random guy said:
I understand the prejudice. Children destroy the atmosphere in a game, like they destroy the atmosphere in a restaurant. The difference is they get away with it in the game whilst in the restaurant you get to see the little tit get told off by its embarassed, and furious parents. That is dinner and a show to people like me...who can only afford one or the other.
Seriously, learn to quote people properly so they get notified and show a bit of respect to other forum posters.some random guy said:
Yes, because of your age you don't fully understand. There is a reason why "you'll understand when you're older" has been used so often for so long. There is a reason older people are generally found to be politicians and make the decisions for our society.
I can't simply explain it beyond the common sense and reason behind it.
There is an undeniable link, and I was saying it's stronger then you think. There are certainly ranges of maturity commonly found within each age bracket but they only extend so far. There are very few exceptions like there are very few child geniuses, they exist but you and I aren't one of them.
The ratings are a recommendation because the government isn't going to interfere with a parents wishes for the level of their child's exposure unless it's greatly damaging the child's health.
Mental health and a person's resiliance to influences vary but a person is more likely to not be as affected as an adult then they are as a child.
Well I saw this coming. People who're old enough to play this game tend to say underaged people should just stay the hell away from these games or shut up just so they can enjoy their game in elitist adult-world and not bear the frantic wailings of little children.
The underage people around here, however, tend to disagree with the former group because they think they're just as good as the adults around here. The problem is the adults don't realise that. They think they're on the same level as adults, just as experienced and have every right to do the same things they can do.
Well, not quite.
As for the "underage people can still be mature enough"-argument: Well, most of you aren't. Seriously they ruin everyone's game by being immature, and therefore most hosts will not hesitate to get your high-pitched ass out of their server before you can prove you're not one of those dickheads.
It's you underaged bastard buddies that fucked it up for you. You should go tell them off, not the people who just want to have a good time and don't feel like putting the little kid on a probation period so he can prove his worth.
It's a fact that you tend to switch sides as you grow older. First you're all for kids like yourself being able to drink a beer and whatnot(not everyone, just most of them), but as you grow older and reach legal age and you look at 13 year old kids outside the gas station secretly chugging down a six pack you shake your head and go "oh, what's the world coming to" (at least that's what I did when I grew older. I didn't drink any beer at that young an age though, it's just hypothetical). Why do people change views like that?
Well, simply because they want to exclude others from priviliges they have. I don't see the rich guy handing out his membership pass of the country club to me, that's his privilige and he wants to keep that privilige within certain boundaries. Same goes for certain games. People just don't want to play with some high-pitched annoying little kid who "probably still needs to have his first shaving lesson from dad in 2 years". Hell you might have been the best player on the net at the time and they still wouldn't care, they just don't want you in. Just like I'm not allowed a membership of the country club because I don't make six figures working three days a week, even if I kick ass at golf (not that I'd want to join).
People love excluding others to make themselves feel better and will use any excuse to keep you out and in this case it's your age. Nothing you can do about it except for shrugging it off and find a server that caters to your age.
I have no doubt that there are a lot of intelligent young people on here, and I'm proud to say this website is the exception to the rule that the internet is filled with braindead trolls and little whiny bitches (although there are a few exceptions to the exception on here as well). But this still means the majority are all braindead trolls and little whiny bitches, and in online gaming the little man who's not whiny nor bitchy has to suffer regardless.
It's sad, yes, but it's the way it is, and you're better off dealing with it than whine some more because more whining certainly won't do you any good. Trust me soon you'll be grown up so fast and you'll be the one complaining about the little kid on voicechat blabbing away and shrieking because you took his sniper rifle. When that time comes I hope you'll understand.
The underage people around here, however, tend to disagree with the former group because they think they're just as good as the adults around here. The problem is the adults don't realise that. They think they're on the same level as adults, just as experienced and have every right to do the same things they can do.
Well, not quite.
As for the "underage people can still be mature enough"-argument: Well, most of you aren't. Seriously they ruin everyone's game by being immature, and therefore most hosts will not hesitate to get your high-pitched ass out of their server before you can prove you're not one of those dickheads.
It's you underaged bastard buddies that fucked it up for you. You should go tell them off, not the people who just want to have a good time and don't feel like putting the little kid on a probation period so he can prove his worth.
It's a fact that you tend to switch sides as you grow older. First you're all for kids like yourself being able to drink a beer and whatnot(not everyone, just most of them), but as you grow older and reach legal age and you look at 13 year old kids outside the gas station secretly chugging down a six pack you shake your head and go "oh, what's the world coming to" (at least that's what I did when I grew older. I didn't drink any beer at that young an age though, it's just hypothetical). Why do people change views like that?
Well, simply because they want to exclude others from priviliges they have. I don't see the rich guy handing out his membership pass of the country club to me, that's his privilige and he wants to keep that privilige within certain boundaries. Same goes for certain games. People just don't want to play with some high-pitched annoying little kid who "probably still needs to have his first shaving lesson from dad in 2 years". Hell you might have been the best player on the net at the time and they still wouldn't care, they just don't want you in. Just like I'm not allowed a membership of the country club because I don't make six figures working three days a week, even if I kick ass at golf (not that I'd want to join).
People love excluding others to make themselves feel better and will use any excuse to keep you out and in this case it's your age. Nothing you can do about it except for shrugging it off and find a server that caters to your age.
I have no doubt that there are a lot of intelligent young people on here, and I'm proud to say this website is the exception to the rule that the internet is filled with braindead trolls and little whiny bitches (although there are a few exceptions to the exception on here as well). But this still means the majority are all braindead trolls and little whiny bitches, and in online gaming the little man who's not whiny nor bitchy has to suffer regardless.
It's sad, yes, but it's the way it is, and you're better off dealing with it than whine some more because more whining certainly won't do you any good. Trust me soon you'll be grown up so fast and you'll be the one complaining about the little kid on voicechat blabbing away and shrieking because you took his sniper rifle. When that time comes I hope you'll understand.
Simply put, the voice of you youngin's is annoying. There's no two ways about it. Can't be helped. Your squeaky, high pitched voices annoy your average video game player. Until your voice drops, stop using your mic or get someone else to talk for you.
I believe I've told this to you: it isn't the fault of younger gamers that their parents can be stupid enough to dismiss video games as only for children, and subsequently support Michael Atkinson when they find out they've bought their 'darling little muffin' Grand Theft Auto 4. Should a parent take an interest in the issue of video games, they could go over to the OFLC website [http://www.classification.gov.au/special.html?n=271&p=190] and educate themselves, instead of being lazy parents that depend on the state to raise their children.hypothetical fact said:
As for me, regardless of their age, if they contribute to the team, or hold their own, then I don't believe they should be booted. If a player is annoying (purposely being annoying, not through something they can't control like their voice), or team-killing, then regardless of their age, I would support the booting of the player.
Varchld, yes, obviously, kids are generally less mature than adults. There's no disagreement there. I said before that I accept that I'm still a kid, the idea that being a kid means that I can't possibly be able to handle the content in certain games is what I'm against here. You don't need to be a politician or genius to handle the content in 15/18/M rated games.
Sennz0r, was that hostility really necessary? That was a very hostile and angry rant and I don't see why that was needed.
"As for the "underage people can be mature enough"-argument: Well, most of you aren't"
Which does not, in any way, debunk that argument. Your statement was actually in support of the argument. If most of us aren't mature enough then some of us must be mature enough otherwise all of us wouldn't be mature enough.
Sennz0r, was that hostility really necessary? That was a very hostile and angry rant and I don't see why that was needed.
"As for the "underage people can be mature enough"-argument: Well, most of you aren't"
Which does not, in any way, debunk that argument. Your statement was actually in support of the argument. If most of us aren't mature enough then some of us must be mature enough otherwise all of us wouldn't be mature enough.
He shouldn't because height isn't the only requirement. You have to be able to properly operate the vehicle, to understand all of the rules of driving, to understand different road signs, to understand what to do in different situations and many other requirements which a 12 year old just couldn't meet.
The only real requirement to be able to handle the content in 15/18/M rated games is a decent level of maturity and understanding of certain subjects that might be brought up in the game. Plenty of young people meet those requirements.
The only real requirement to be able to handle the content in 15/18/M rated games is a decent level of maturity and understanding of certain subjects that might be brought up in the game. Plenty of young people meet those requirements.