Aha! Antagonists you hate!

[Weresquirrel]

Well, there's a two-tiered response to this. In terms of antagonist hate there are two ways to hate them:

Poorly designed antagonists - Hate them not because they are dastardly or because the epitomise the lowest actions of humanity, but because they're just bland, or stupid, or arrogant. In this category my vote goes to:

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FF7's Sephiroth. He just a complete non-entity. Swaggering about with nihilism dripping out of every pore. That in itself isn't so bad as there are so many poor excuses for antagonists. He gets a special mention because despite being a terrible villain, he's often hailed as the pinnacle of villainy. So many times when people discuss their favourite villains, he always makes an appearance. And I honestly cannot fathom why. Purely based on his design seems to be the big reason, but he's a platinum haired androgene with a sword bigger than him in a world almost exclusively populated by platinum haired androgenes with swords too big for them.

The other way is the compelling villain. The one who's actions make you hate them and want to bring them down. Despite its lightness of tone, the Phoenix Wright series managed quite a few of these absolute bastards. But I gotta say my favourite out of the bunch was:

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Dahlia Hawthorne. My god I wanted to end her so badly. A manipulator of the highest calibre, a monster with a pretty pink umbrella, and utterly no remorse. I honestly cannot remember wanting to bring about a villain's downfall more than hers.

There are a lot of good villains out there though, and it is possible I've forgotten some. The Joker gets an honourable mention for some of his incarnations (Heath Ledger and Mark Hamill are particular highlights for me).

 

[Master-Jedi]

I cannot overestimate how much I detest Azula.

Mind you, I didn't hate her to the point that I wanted her out of the show. Really, the amount of loathing I have for her is a testament to how well she's written.

But good god, was she an awful human being.

I think the worst part is that she actually accomplishes most of the stuff she does to screw people over. And the fact that she doesn't die in the final episode. I didn't loath her enough to want her gone before then, but I defiantly wanted zuko to electrocute her when he had the chance.

Speaking of people I wanted to die in the finale, Gaius Frakking Baltar. Because he got 10 billion people killed for sex. Then later he got thousands of people killed because he's a moron. It's OK though, he saved one person!

 

[WaysideMaze]

but killing mr house....damn that made me feel awful....and whatever justification/reason you gave felt really really hollow

Wasn't hollow for me. I killed him in the name of Caesar!

Yeah, I backed the Legion on my first playthrough. Why? Because they interested me and I wanted to roleplay a murdering psychopath.

Do I honestly believe they are the best hope for the Mojave? Gods no. But it was fun to back them.

yeah, I had to laugh when ceasar said the NCR was "corrupt"

They are. And the Legion isn't.

Like I said, the Legion might be evil and sadistic, but not corrupt. Everyone knows their place, and at least Caesar is generally honest with his people. [Note;his people, not others. His lies to the Khans for example don't count]

The NCR might have good intentions, but it does have corrupt elements.

Also, no, Veronica doesn't die when the brotherhood kill that group of followers.

OT: well I'm playing Skyrim again atm so the Thalmor. Seriously, fuck the Thalmor. When I try to roleplay a Thalmor loyalist the game just makes it so damn hard. Every Thalmor in the game is an arrogant twat that needs to be wiped out.

Also, obligatory Joffrey Baratheon mention.

 

[Arsen]

The guy on the immoral side.

The one who is trying to do things for the betterment of his people...failing to realize that the particular demographic he is supporting, culturally, is not meant to win.

 

[Arsen]

Well, there's a two-tiered response to this. In terms of antagonist hate there are two ways to hate them:

Poorly designed antagonists - Hate them not because they are dastardly or because the epitomise the lowest actions of humanity, but because they're just bland, or stupid, or arrogant. In this category my vote goes to:

Spoiler

FF7's Sephiroth. He just a complete non-entity. Swaggering about with nihilism dripping out of every pore. That in itself isn't so bad as there are so many poor excuses for antagonists. He gets a special mention because despite being a terrible villain, he's often hailed as the pinnacle of villainy. So many times when people discuss their favourite villains, he always makes an appearance. And I honestly cannot fathom why. Purely based on his design seems to be the big reason, but he's a platinum haired androgene with a sword bigger than him in a world almost exclusively populated by platinum haired androgenes with swords too big for them.

The other way is the compelling villain. The one who's actions make you hate them and want to bring them down. Despite its lightness of tone, the Phoenix Wright series managed quite a few of these absolute bastards. But I gotta say my favourite out of the bunch was:

Spoiler

Dahlia Hawthorne. My god I wanted to end her so badly. A manipulator of the highest calibre, a monster with a pretty pink umbrella, and utterly no remorse. I honestly cannot remember wanting to bring about a villain's downfall more than hers.

There are a lot of good villains out there though, and it is possible I've forgotten some. The Joker gets an honourable mention for some of his incarnations (Heath Ledger and Mark Hamill are particular highlights for me).

I think when it comes to Sephiroth as a character, you missed the point entirely.

He's based off of the Jewish Kabbalah, name wise. Therein lies the issue. He saw himself as a god of mankind, descended from a chosen legacy of people, and in essence, wants to end mankind by absorbing all the souls, then going on to another planet and time, then doing the same thing.

He's a deeper villain than what most people give him credit for. Kefka was just an insane clown. Sephiroth had depth to his intentions and backstory.

 

[Arsen]

And for the record, Alliser Thorne and some of the assholes on the Nights Watch are infinitely worse than Joffrey. It's the people who don't obey their leaders who anger me. The idiotic common folk who refuse to bow down to those who have superior talents than themselves.

Joffrey was an inbred kid with no discipline. Hence why he is that way. You can't really blame him. Same with Viserys...who is still one of my favorite characters from the first book.

 

[FluffyWelshCake]

The Professor from The Witcher, that guy was stupidly annoying and schizophrenic in character. He takes the piss and chews out HIS BOSS, THE MEGA POWERFUL SORCERER/ALCHEMIST. And there's that infuriating part where he uses bullshit amateur psychology to try and make Geralt feel bad about himself, all his points were actually moot considering Geralt's character. And the prick killed Leo.

 

[Robert632]

Anyone seen Game of Thrones? Yeah. You know who I mean.

...Littlefinger?

O.T: I'm just going to second Griffeth. Course, He's also in a series where one of the more sympathetic villains kidnapped and forcibly(Albeit with misguided intentions) transformed/murdered a bunch of children, so him being pretty unsympathetic at this point is kind of a given.

 

[snappydog]

yeah, I had to laugh when ceasar said the NCR was "corrupt"

and the Romans kept slaves, but the Legion's interpretation of slavery is less "semi-permanent servants" and more in line with that of the 1800s American South.
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how were the roman slaves different?

anyway..they seem more like spartans than romans (though I dont know anything about that kind of thing)

Roman slaves were, as Drow said, semi-permanent; they were largely Greeks who could earn their freedom for various reasons and weren't treated too atrociously for the most part. Spartan slaves were considered less than human, and the training for young boys to become 'equal men' actually involved the mass slaughter of helots (the slaves). Apparently there were a few incidents where the Spartans claimed to be rewarding the best slaves, and took the most independent and strong ones off for what they said was a party. They never came back...
Anyway, I haven't played NV for a very long time, so I forget what the Legion are like, but hope that helps.

EDIT: To add an OT bit, most of the Borgias from ACII are genuinely hateful, but for the right reasons I think. That is, I hate them because they're well-written to be terrible people, not because they're badly characterised or anything.

 

[not_you]

Kind of a random thing here...
But, one of the main antagonists I didn't like was Galbatorix from the Inheritance Cycle...
I mean, think about it, if he wasn't so damn lazy to get off his ass and chase down Eragon from the beginning, it would've saved his empire and solved everything...
but NOOOOOO

It was just one bad idea after another... I mean, he sends out his assassins (Ra'Zac) and they fail...
Sends out his best spellcaster...
he fails...

Sends out an army of thugs...
They fail...

Sends out his protoge...
He fails (under his own will and reasoning)

Sends out his protoge again...
Fails on his own occord...

Sends out another few armies...
They fail...

This isn't so much about me hating the guy (in retrospect) but, stupidity NEEDS to be an issue antagonists can't have... Laziness too... Just because you can't be bothered to get off your ass to solve a problem, you don't deserve to be the head of the anti-good patrol...

*sigh*


An antagonist people could probably more noticeably identify whom I also hate is Zeus... (As portrayed in the God of War series)
stupid lightning-zappy thing... fight like a man!

 

[ScrabbitRabbit]

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I completely agree about Sephiroth. It's always annoyed me how much focus he gets; Hojo and Jenova were the real villains of that game and they were both FAR more interesting than Sephiroth in their own ways.

 

[saintdane05]

I would say Zetaz from Corruption of Champions, but my character ended up being an even worse person than him. So... AH! Got it!

The problem is, her actress played my favorite Star Trek Captain, Janeway.

 

[Relish in Chaos]

Adrian Veidt in Watchmen, because he just seems so arrogant and, despite being ?the smartest man in the world?, short-sightedly idealistic with his master plan to save USA from nuclear war with USSR and create a utopia, but Dr. Manhattan?s leaving line, ?Nothing ends, Adrian. Nothing ever ends?, pretty much proves that he only delayed war. He overlooked one of the most vital aspects of human nature, meaning he just killed a bunch of people for nothing.

 

[Kitsune Hunter]

Joffery Baratheon, god how I hate that little shit, killing Ned Stark, torturing Sansa, GOD!!!!! thank god Tyrion slaps him from time to time


that felt good.

I would like also to say Sabertooth from Fairy Tail, bunch of arrogant, sadistic bastards. The reason being:

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After Yukina lost against Kagura from Mermaid Heel, she was forced by the guild master, Genma to strip off her clothes and was kicked out of the guild, leading Natsu to attack them, but my anger was turned up to 11 during the Naval battle were Lucy and Minerva were last left and Minevra stole Lucy's keys and then proceeded to brutally beat up Lucy while Sabertooth just laughed while Natsu and the others angrily glared at them

and I thought Raven Tail were assholes

 

[TheDoctor455]

Joffery.
Motherfucking
Boratheon.

That spoilt kid is such a shit. In the show anyway, I'm guessing he's as much of a **** in the books.

Oh, and for why? Because he's just such a massive ****. Everything he does just raises his cuntiness factor by 5. No matter who he's talking to he's a ****, no matter what he does, he's a ****, and the worst thing is that this massive **** is related to the best character in the series.

[sub][sub]Guess what the word of the day is today, kiddies?[/sub][/sub]

He's worse in the books.
And its deliberate.
You're supposed to hate him enough to count down the days until he's dead.
Though, he does get a somewhat understandable motive (from a child's view anyway), but it does nothing to justify or excuse anything he did. Again, that's deliberate. This is because Joffrey is a deconstruction of at least part of the King Arthur myth... because King Arthur supposedly became a king at around the same age as Joffrey and well... this is a more realistic depiction of what a "child king" would actually be like. Especially one raised in a feudal system that does everything it can to make killing people easier for the nobility.

Anyway...
my most hated villain? Well, aside from Joffrey I mean...

just about every Disney villain except for Atilla the Hun in Mulan.

I don't hate them for any of the reasons that Disney would like me to, I'm sure.
I hate them because they're all basically the same. They're all a bunch of paranoid, narcissistic idiots. And they all make the same kinds of mistakes...
and therefore, they're all boring as hell to watch. Nothing I hate more in any character than for them being boring.

 

[Vrex360]

Warren Mears in Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

While other 'big bads' in Buffy were Vampire lords, giant snakes, Frankenstein monsters, immortal bitchy gods and the manifestation of evil itself Warren was just an angry nerdy recluse who bitterly hated women. I hated Warren Mears because he felt the most real, we see people who fit the Warren Mears profile online all the time... I've even engaged in arguments with a few of them.

So I guess you could say Warren Mears invoked hatred in me not just because of the character himself, though he is still pretty bad in that respect, but because of what he ultimatley represented. The dark misogynistic and hateful part of the 'nerd culture', the only thing to differentiate him from the people who attacked Anita Sarkeesian or the trolls on online gaming who post sexually harrassing messages or any others is that he actually took it to the next step and brought his hatred into the real world.

That's why he'll always give me that special uncomfortable feeling.

 

[NeutralDrow]

yeah, I had to laugh when ceasar said the NCR was "corrupt"

and the Romans kept slaves, but the Legion's interpretation of slavery is less "semi-permanent servants" and more in line with that of the 1800s American South.
."

how were the roman slaves different?

anyway..they seem more like spartans than romans (though I dont know anything about that kind of thing)

Roman slavery was far more complex, and slaves included not just the physical laborers that the Legion favors, but domestic servants, skilled tradesmen, and warriors and gladiators. At various points in Roman history, slaves even gained legal rights to fair treatment and could file complaints against their owners (though this fluctuated throughout history), and depending on the work they performed (i.e. probably not ship-rowers or mine workers) could not only be legally freed, but could buy their freedom themselves.

And they're not especially like Spartans, that I can tell. For its time, ancient Sparta was astonishingly progressive concerning its women, the vast majority of its population was made up of slaves and freed slaves, and even the Legion doesn't really match its level of militarism.

 

[Wolf In A Bear Suit]

Cersei Lannister is soooooo stupid I facepalm four times a chapter. The memes you could make. The worst thing is that she thinks she's the shit and always calls herself her fathers daughter and wishes she was a guy while doing her best to fail

 

[JamesStone]

If you get Veronica to leave the Brotherhood to join the Followers of the Apocalypse, the Brotherhood slaughters them for the sole reason that Veronica was formerly a Brother of Steel. That is 100% evil.

WAHT? they slaught the followers?.....what if you destroy them?

Well, they slaughter a whole outpost, not the ones at old Mormon Fort (thankfully) Like I said, they did so as complete assholes, you have to kill them anyway. This can only happen in Veronica's quest "I could make you care" Which cannot be completed if you destroy the Bunker.

The Followers at the fort are safe (unless you kill them yourself)

But the guys who did it aren't the entire Brotherhood, just 5 assholes who represent the worst about the Brotherhood. That's why I always pick the NCR ending when the Brotherhood forms the Alliance. For all they have bad, the general idea is good, and they need some guidance. I loved the general concept behind the splinter faction in FO3 (not so much the development, but the concept was gold), because it shows that the Brotherhood can do good.