Akimbo 1887 Shotguns... hmmm.

[FightThePower]

Overpowered by a long long way.

The range on those things considering they're Akimbo and thus should sacrifice range, is ludicrious.

Chopper Gunner and AC-130 are too.

 

[MiracleOfSound]

People complain about realism? Modern Warfare is basically an arcade FPS, realism is not such an impornant factor.

Not sure how that started. My OP siad nothing about realism, I couldn't care less about it.

This should be a post in some thread on "favourite weapons" raher than a threat just for that.

And Akimbo 1887 shotguns are UNDERPOWERED in that they would be impossible to aim and far too slow to fire.

Better off with a nice submachine gun like the MP5.

This thread is specifically about the 1887s in MW2.

Jesus Velociraptor Christ, MW2 actually included weapons as dumb as dual-wield lever-action shotguns?

(does youtube search, I'm not getting MW2 till they have dedicated servers... nuff said)

Well, going by videos they look cool but don't look to be very effective weapons. I guess there is a certain amount of prestige in being able to make any kills with such a crude and unwieldy weapon but the same could be said for a going pistol-only or deliberately choosing a weak weapon for the challenge and to demonstrate your skill.

I mean you are better off with a double-action shotgun than this since it is almost as quick to reload both barrels as to flip-cock each '87 yet the double-action allows you to aim down the iron sights for improved accuracy when moving.

And I'm not sure but don't all Akimbo weapons stop you using the knife melee attack? I know the double-shotgun in World at War allowed knife-melee attack...

Hey, does MW2 have a Muzzle Loading Rifle? It would be a hell of a challenge to play with such a weapon but if you are good enough you could own the opposing team. I think there should be some special Achievement/Trophy for that, some pun about using such an Antique weapon in "Modern Warfare" like "Old School" or "Ironic Death".

However, on looking at a few videos like this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxOFQ9IIMsY

It's clear that IW have been a bit of a bunch of cocks and given smaller and more unwieldy M1887's even more accuracy than a long barrel double-shotgun. This is looking to be a pretty hideously unbalanced weapon, as an MP5 or even a Semi-auto shotgun should be far better but fuck it, IW may have made a name for their Modern Warfare franchise on "gritty realism" but they threw it out the window with weapons like these.

But screw it, that's no where near as unbalanced as the tactical nuke. The unlock for that should be increased to a 30 or 35 killstreak. It just seems WAY too easy to just get 10 kills then get another 15 with an attack helicopter.

Or how about just limit kills with personal small arm weapons to contributing towards a kill-streak?

YOu know, I was just thinking that today.

I think that for objective games the nuke should be taken out entirely, as it is a bullshit way to end a game and a motivation for camping.

 

[rabidmidget]

they don't seem to overpowered to me, but I guess it doesn't make much difference to me as the game keeps matching me with Americans so i pretty much always lose at close range combat

just out of curiosity why would someone's nationality make them better at killing you at close range?

lag, so many times someone will shotgun/knife rush me and i'll empty a clip into them at point blank and yet no hits would be detected, then when I look at the killcam, it doesn't show me shooting at all

I probably should have mentioned that i'm Australian

 

[GodofDisaster]

Most people have been saying they are overpowered and the range is too far, for a shotgun and I agree with them. I hate it when you hit someone in the back with high caliber sniper, but instead of killing them. They turn around, and blast you with the akimbo shotgun, it's annoying.

 

[MiracleOfSound]

they don't seem to overpowered to me, but I guess it doesn't make much difference to me as the game keeps matching me with Americans so i pretty much always lose at close range combat

just out of curiosity why would someone's nationality make them better at killing you at close range?

lag, so many times someone will shotgun/knife rush me and i'll empty a clip into them at point blank and yet no hits would be detected, then when I look at the killcam, it doesn't show me shooting at all

I probably should have mentioned that i'm Australian

I hear you. I'm Irish and I get this in almost every damn lobby I get thrown into.

Magic bullets!

 

[MiracleOfSound]

For the doubters:

[youtube=HxOFQ9IIMsY

 

[SpireOfFire]

the dual shotties dont piss me off as much as the goddamn javelins.

 

[Spike815]

I'm only hate them because you shouldn't need to carry around 2 shotguns to kill someone. Shooting games really need to get shotguns right, the pellets don't disappear after 10 feet, and you certainly can't dual wield them.

That said I will still be using them because I love shotguns.

 

[Nick31091]

these are so incredibly annonying-especially their range. Playing quarry some gun standing on the ground was able to kill me up above on the catwalk with these things. They're so utterly annoying... after a while I just assume everyone level 67 and up is using akimbo 1887s and I sometimes quit a lobby if there are a bunch of high-level people on the other team. It's just not balanced at all.

 

[willard3]

I'm curious about something. Why do so many people think a 50 caliber rifle is designed to stop tanks? You need something a lot bigger then a 50 cal to stop a tank. 25mm or up is preferred. If all it took was a 50 cal to stop a tank then the A-10 wouldn't need the weapons it has. A 50 cal on the back wouldn't punch into a tank.

Anti-materiel rifles are designed to punch through tanks and kill the personnel inside, or take down lighter armored vehicles with a well-placed shot. The Barrett M82 is not used as an anti-personnel sniper, while the Intervention IS. You simply do not chamber a .50-caliber round to kill one person.

Also, the M21 is NOT a true sniper rifle; it's a designated marksman's rifle. The difference between a sniper and a DM is that the sniper is meant to take down specific targets, while the DM is meant to support a unit (hence the term "squad sniper") by laying down rapid, accurate fire from range.

EDIT: Apparently most modern tanks are well-armored enough to resist anti-materiel rifle shots. But my comment still stands on the lighter-armored vehicles.

I wasn't contesting anything about anti-material or anti-personnel. I was merely asking why does everyone seem to think that a 50 is designed for taking out tanks? Your use of google and wikipedia to argue what wasn't even said is astounding.

I was really just using your post as a springboard to address similar issues I have with people in the game.

Also, while Wikipedia was consulted for confirmation, I actually went off of what my friend's dad says, who was an Army Ranger. He sometimes watches my friend play games and scoffs at seeing a 50-cal used the way it is in COD or people calling semi-automatics "sniper rifles."

 

[MiracleOfSound]

these are so incredibly annonying-especially their range. Playing quarry some gun standing on the ground was able to kill me up above on the catwalk with these things. They're so utterly annoying... after a while I just assume everyone level 67 and up is using akimbo 1887s and I sometimes quit a lobby if there are a bunch of high-level people on the other team. It's just not balanced at all.

Shamefully I have left lobbies too because they were full of people using these. They piss me off and I already have enough of a disadvantage playing from Ireland.

Most people have been saying they are overpowered and the range is too far, for a shotgun and I agree with them. I hate it when you hit someone in the back with high caliber sniper, but instead of killing them. They turn around, and blast you with the akimbo shotgun, it's annoying.

Yeah I never snipe, because I'm rerrible at it, but I still feel that a Barret 50 cal should be a one hit kill anywhere above the legs.

 

[sephiroth1991]

How does this make sence, a guy killed me with Akimbo 1887 Shotguns in wasteland from the other side of the field. I was like "That was lame"

 

[MrSnugglesworth]

The game is terribly balanced, it's less balanced then any multiplayer game I've played, including mmo's which is pathetic.

Two stupidest things are the 1887s and the Knife, love a 10 meter range knife that teleport's you to your target.

Fun fact, if you halo energy sword lunge with your knife and happen to pass over a claymore. The claymore doesn't explode..

Now I didn't really take the time to read the commando perk's description entirely, but I'm pretty sure I didn't see the words "Makes claymores fucking useless"

Same thing for Lightweight.


I can sprint right by a claymore, and get by it before it goes off.

 

[Kukakkau]

I think the 1887s should be removed from the game - they are overpowered and not "modern" at all. I've been killed with these guns with a double blast at a range where SMGs start to get a bit innaccurate - that's just not right for a shotgun.

I don't mind shotguns as a secondary in the game for your ranged classes but as a gun that's better than alot of SMGs and some assault rifles it's just plain ridiculous.

REALLY hoping infinity ward patches some of the dumb crap in their game

 

[MiracleOfSound]

I think the 1887s should be removed from the game - they are overpowered and not "modern" at all. I've been killed with these guns with a double blast at a range where SMGs start to get a bit innaccurate - that's just not right for a shotgun.

I don't mind shotguns as a secondary in the game for your ranged classes but as a gun that's better than alot of SMGs and some assault rifles it's just plain ridiculous.

REALLY hoping infinity ward patches some of the dumb crap in their game

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Overpowered by a long long way.

The range on those things considering they're Akimbo and thus should sacrifice range, is ludicrious.

Chopper Gunner and AC-130 are too.

Overpowered. they shoot way too far for a shotgun

Agreed. Surely at least one member of the team will see how this is all over the internet. It's pretty unanimous that the gun is stupidly overpowered