Black, blond, brown, and red are rainbow colors?Doctor Glocktor said:
...
Does not compute. Abort, retry, fail?
All Jrpgs look the same? HA!
- Thread starter Jonesy911
- Start date
Recommended Videos
Does not compute. Abort, retry, fail?
Really? That's now how I beat the game. I used one round kills for nearly every enemy in the game through the rock/paper/scissor battle system. There might be other calculations, but they are so sickeningly minor that they might as well not be there. And I didn't say it wouldn't be done, I said that I doubted that YOU, as a person took that kind of time to do it.lordlee said:
We had this discussion a couple weeks ago and games like Fire Emblem were determined, by the community at large, to NOT be role playing games. Just because the industry calls a game something does not mean it is that.WillSimplyBe said:
Every one that has hit the US (which means the first one since it was released over here on the DS.) I'll hit something that is weak to the weapon I'm using and it will do 15, against it's neutral type it will do 12 and against it's weakness it will do 3 and miss almost every time.lordlee said:
Actually, lordlee is right, Damage dealt is based on Weapon Power Plus Character Strength(or Magic for a mage) minus target's defense, and number of hits are determined by weapon weight against opponent's speed. there are calculations that go into this stuff. The weapon weight along with character's Skill, governs accuracy, which some classes(particularly axe users) generally lack, regardless of the weapons triangle. In fact, by using slim weapons you can overcome this entirely.asinann said:
And about your last reply to my post, Asinnan, how you say that these Turn based strategy RPGs aren't about stats at all or anything, i simply must say... Have you ever SEEN Final Fantasy Tactics? There is plenty of micromanagement involved in it and a deep and complex job system. I do not see how your argument holds any water, sir.
I don't think they are all the same, but one must admit that although you found 3 that look different, you could find hundreds that look the same.
Very true. And I could pick out 3 that look different. I'm just saying this thread didn't prove all that much. There are many JRPGs with pixel-y sprites. There are many JRPGs with anime-styled visuals. There are many that have realistic visuals.lordlee said:
Because there's 8 or 9 other games, that aren't considered by the industry to be "strategy RPGS" that have deep and complex job systems. Strategy and tactics games all run on the same type of system as fire emblem and fft (outside of RTS, but those really aren't the topic here) with "deep job systems" and most of those are far more in depth than either of those other games. Those games are "SRPG" because that's what the makers wanted them to be called. Hell, Final Fantasy Tactics is only an "SRPG" because it has Final Fantasy in the name. There's more of a story line and more in depth job system in Tactics Ogre (there's even story effecting choices) than there is in Fire Emblem or FFT and the makers didn't even try to call it anything other than what it is: a tactics/strategy game.WillSimplyBe said:
My problem with JRPGs personally is that, too often, the combat is essentially a roadblock, throwing cookie cutter monsters at your party in a fight you are never in much danger of losing and over which strategy is rarely more intricate than knowing the magic bullet weakness for a particular monster. It is, in short, no where near complicated or involving enough to be interesting on its own merits.
"Ah" I hear you cry, "but that is a foolish complaint, for everyone knows that RPGs are beloved for their story." The problem with this argument is that RPGs are generally long, time consuming beats, and the actual amount of story you get through is rarely great. Essentially, if a JRPGs combat is not a complete game on its own, then you're spending the majority of your time doing something you don't care about for a story you do care about but isn't draw dropping enough to justify the amount of time demanded. This is exacerbated when the combat is particuarly uninvolved and slow, so you're essentially sitting around doing near nothing so you can get along with the story. Essentially, replace "combat" with "puzzles" and change the whining and you have why I don't play traditional adventure games either. If you merely want an interactive story, why not save yourself time and play a visual novel?
Obviously, this is not a problem for me in strategy JRPGs where the fights are complex and demanding of the player's effort. One's with more active, fun combat also earn some favour, such as The World Ends With You, which gets additional bonus points for allowing the player to pick fewer, tougher fights for more reward at his own discretion. So yeah, the main problem with JRPGs isn't the story, its the fact that too many of them feel bound to Dragon Quest's legacy of gameplay-as-timewaster.
"Ah" I hear you cry, "but that is a foolish complaint, for everyone knows that RPGs are beloved for their story." The problem with this argument is that RPGs are generally long, time consuming beats, and the actual amount of story you get through is rarely great. Essentially, if a JRPGs combat is not a complete game on its own, then you're spending the majority of your time doing something you don't care about for a story you do care about but isn't draw dropping enough to justify the amount of time demanded. This is exacerbated when the combat is particuarly uninvolved and slow, so you're essentially sitting around doing near nothing so you can get along with the story. Essentially, replace "combat" with "puzzles" and change the whining and you have why I don't play traditional adventure games either. If you merely want an interactive story, why not save yourself time and play a visual novel?
Obviously, this is not a problem for me in strategy JRPGs where the fights are complex and demanding of the player's effort. One's with more active, fun combat also earn some favour, such as The World Ends With You, which gets additional bonus points for allowing the player to pick fewer, tougher fights for more reward at his own discretion. So yeah, the main problem with JRPGs isn't the story, its the fact that too many of them feel bound to Dragon Quest's legacy of gameplay-as-timewaster.
lmao, that's it, I'm calling BS on you now with that one. It seems to me like you are the only one who has a problem with these games being called RPGs, and that's just a personal problem. Because the developers, AND their target audiences definitely agree on what they are called. As for me, I'm done with this now, good day to you sir. ^_^asinann said:
They don't all look the same.
They are all equally angsty and repetitive and no self-respecting western adult would ever go near one.
Same can be said of any western Shooter I suppose.
No wait scratch that. Same can be said of any game that's not Beyond Good and Evil and/or was not made by Tim Schafer
They are all equally angsty and repetitive and no self-respecting western adult would ever go near one.
Same can be said of any western Shooter I suppose.
No wait scratch that. Same can be said of any game that's not Beyond Good and Evil and/or was not made by Tim Schafer
#1. I'm speaking about J. RPGs. not DOMESTIC RPG's.tellmeimaninja said:
#2. Mass effect equals 1 character focused RPG.
#3. Next to ALL JRPGs are story/character focused.
#4. Watching Dragon Ball Z for a universal opinion on ALL anime is like playing Halo or Half-Life to see whether or not you'd ANY FPS games. It doesn't apply to everybody, regardless on whether or not you like FPS' in the first place.
#5. Even if a character resembles an "anime-esque" character, that fact bears absolutely no relevance as to the quality of the story or characters in the first place.