All male Fox News panel freak out over the numbers of women providing the main income in households

[thewatergamer]

Wow...
Fox news you are really confusing me here
I am right winged politically but why is this such a terrible thing again?
Am I just not right winged now?
This makes no sense
and I thought Al Gore was being stupid

 

[QUINTIX]

Full Disclosure: I'm bit of an Erick Erickson/Redstate fan

All the invective and hate just affirms for me I'm doing something right.

http://www.redstate.com/2013/05/31/the-victory-lap/
So he's taking the "haters gonna hate" approach
I'll disagree with his assessment of the (developed) world; I suspect there are very few people living in high-income liberal republics do not have at least one parent who was baptized into Christ's kingdom.

that was funny my first question when he went to nature i was like....what about lions? dont the ladies go hunt while the men are lazy?

He actually noted that exception

It's the female who tames the male beast. One notable exception is the lion, where the male lion looks flashy but behaves mostly like a lazy beta-male MSNBC producer.

http://www.redstate.com/2013/05/30/the-truth-may-hurt-but-is-not-mean/

Note he says "tames the male beast"; believe it or not, those who believe God preserved His Word (and it ought to be obeyed) and feminists agree on this point: men are problem.

So really, the crisis here isn't about women at all. It's about useless, undereducated, undermotivated men.

https://twitter.com/bdomenech/status/340551027067609088

 

[Hagi]

Males are the dominant role in nature?....I think the female lionness would have a few things to say about that, but what the fuck do I know I'm just a woman.

Male Lions would probably still qualify as dominant though. They aren't the primary erm... meat-winners within a pride (although most male lions do not live in prides) but they're most certainly dominant. If a kill is made and a hungry male lion is nearby then he'll be eating it, regardless of whether or not he was involved in the hunt.

There's plenty of species though where the female genuinely is dominant. Ain't no male messing with a female Spotted Hyena, even the weakest and most feeble females in that species are dominant over every single male.

For a much closer example there's also Bonobos, probably one of the closest species to us genetically, who are generally lead by a coalition of dominant females.

This whole 'idea' that males are dominant in nature mostly comes from a lot of pop-biology being biased as fuck. 'Researchers' who've already decided how exactly the natural order is, based on silly preconceptions, go out to document animals. Animals that match their beliefs are documented extensively and further confirm their beliefs of the natural order whilst animals that do not show this clear pattern (most of them) are largely ignored. If you ask idiots like these to provide some provide a few concrete examples of this in nature you'll see the same species mentioned over and over and over again, and even for half of those it isn't true.

 

[triggrhappy94]

Adding this to the LIST.

What is the LIST?

Occasionally, someone pops into the R&P Dungeon with the statement: "Fox News is no worse than any other news outlet." So I respond with the LIST.

The LIST now takes up almost two full Escapist pages.

I'm really curious about the List.
Can you PM me it or a link to the last thread you used it in?

 

[generals3]

About the OP:

Well obviously this is typical fox stupidity. There is nothing wrong with women being the bread winners...

... However at the same time i can't help but notice that Fox did what feminists always do, go into a big irrational debate with no science involved just because they dislike certain numbers.

 

[ThunderCavalier]

Women are getting jobs and supporting their families, and they happen to be doing it more than men this time around?

I'm absolutely shocked. Even though our education system and society in general does allow (mostly) equal rights for both men and women to rise to high-paying positions of power, I am appalled that man is getting snuffed out by the woman.

Fuck Feminism, because obviously it's all a lie. There is no Patriarchy; there's a Matriarchy, and soon the women will snuff out all of mankind and take over the world!



... OK, but in all seriousness, really? This is more of those "Oh, that's neat." little things that you hear about and then promptly forget.

 

[TheScientificIssole]

I...I...I don't fucking even.

I do even. I didn't watch it, but I think that statistic is bad news. That could also mean that 1 or 2 or even 3 of 10 households have a father who was once there, but is not anymore. That is not good news. That means that something in modern culture is screwing with men's responsibility in families. Children aside, that isn't good news for parents male and female.
I think however, if what I'm saying is the case, and single mothers who have no say in being single mothers are included in the 10 sample, then you guys are getting too quick to jump to the hole "CONSERVATIVES ARE STUPID AND SEXIST AND HATE THE GAYS!" That's also bad news.
But then again, I am the only person on the internet who hates on liberals and anti-theists more than any other school of thought.
EDIT: After reading through the comments, I am disgusted, so much dumb hate. I can't believe that so many people are so willing to call most American's "rednecks"(which is crazy and naive insult). People only seeing targets and not solutions or people. This is horrible. This thread has become a aimless firing range on ideals that people don't agree with and don't understand how to deal with. People calling thoughts backwards because they are so stuck on having their own definite "forward" and "progressive" solutions in which they make decisions for every other human being. This is the problem.

 

[triggrhappy94]

It's funny to come back after 8 pages have been posted and see all the comments. A lot of the people who tried defending them actually got warnings.

People can criticize Faux News all they want, but the sad thing is that they're still the biggest news source in the US. Many of the people who watch it don't watch any other news source--including our politicians.
They create an echo chamber where they only hear themselves over and over again.
Between Fox News and Gerrymandering, it's no wonder we have so many problems.

 

[loc978]

I...I...I don't fucking even.

I do even. I didn't watch it, but I think that statistic is bad news. That could also mean that 1 or 2 or even 3 of 10 households have a father who was once there, but is not anymore. That is not good news. That means that something in modern culture is screwing with men's responsibility in families. Children aside, that isn't good news for parents male and female.
I think however, if what I'm saying is the case, and single mothers who have no say in being single mothers are included in the 10 sample, then you guys are getting too quick to jump to the hole "CONSERVATIVES ARE STUPID AND SEXIST AND HATE THE GAYS!" That's also bad news.
But then again, I am the only person on the internet who hates on liberals and anti-theists more than any other school of thought.
EDIT: After reading through the comments, I am disgusted, so much dumb hate. I can't believe that so many people are so willing to call most American's "rednecks"(which is crazy and naive insult). People only seeing targets and not solutions or people. This is horrible. This thread has become a aimless firing range on ideals that people don't agree with and don't understand how to deal with. People calling thoughts backwards because they are so stuck on having their own definite "forward" and "progressive" solutions in which they make decisions for every other human being. This is the problem.

So many emotions, not one fact. If the modus operandi of an entire side of an argument is to be afraid of change, they might as well be the side of humanity that was too afraid of fire to use it.

Megyn Kelly owned the arguments presented with facts in under a day... and she's a fellow conservative, catholic, et cetera... just a moderate, sane conservative. We need more of those.

 

[asap]

I don't understand why everyone thinks this is so ridiculous.

Firstly men put a much greater value psychologically on their ability to provide, and a good job often factors into this. Therefore a change of balance is fairly negative to the health of a lot of men.

To further this, women are getting many new jobs over other men. They are less ambitious, or at least viewed as such by their employer. This is one of the reasons young men are finding that getting a job is increasingly difficult. This will have a negative effect on society in the future and is a reason that western civilization is becoming increasingly noncompetitive.

 

[Lonewolfm16]

We can all agree that this is BS right? Right? Oh, who am I kidding, some MRA nutjob will burst in here soon enough agreeing with these clowns... Regardless, these men are stupid as hell and represent some of the more horrific depths of some corners of American culture.

I would expect most MRAS to like this statistic, as they want gender equality as much as feminists. Also, one of their main complaints is that men are expected to bring home money to take care of their wife and/or kids. even when the woman is equally capable of getting a job.

 

[Vegosiux]

Then they need to alter their perspective like we have on many issues like slavery, race mixing, interracial marriage and so on which enjoyed common acceptance in those times. With the future comes changes, and men need to give up the chest beating a realize this fact.

Myeah, paradigm shifts like that don't happen quickly tho. And honestly, I'm pretty sure a significant fraction of men, seems kind of cool with this, I'd even dare to argue the majority in the "first world".

 

[Mr F.]

I don't understand why everyone thinks this is so ridiculous.

Firstly men put a much greater value psychologically on their ability to provide, and a good job often factors into this. Therefore a change of balance is fairly negative to the health of a lot of men.

To further this, women are getting many new jobs over other men. They are less ambitious, or at least viewed as such by their employer. This is one of the reasons young men are finding that getting a job is increasingly difficult. This will have a negative effect on society in the future and is a reason that western civilization is becoming increasingly noncompetitive.

Citation needed. Just saying. Will start with that.

Women getting jobs over other men does not make sense. Re-read that sentence a few times. Your argument is thanks to women getting jobs it is more difficult for men to get jobs. The same argument can be used for men getting jobs making it harder for young women to get jobs. You are stating, quite simply, that people getting jobs makes it harder for other people to get jobs.

Your conclusion that this will have a negative effect on society in the future is in desperate need of citation. Your final conclusion that this is the reason why Western civilisation is becoming less competitive is in desperate need of citation. Firstly, the German economy would like to have a word with you. Secondly, one of the reasons why western economies are struggling to compete is because with regards to manufacturing it is simply far cheaper to produce things in Eastern centers of trade due to workers rights and the rest of it. As time passes we are loosing our monopoly on high-tech goods, that is why western economies are going into decline. Or you could talk at length about the Banking crisis. Or, since you mentioned "Civilisation" and not economies, one could quite easily argue that due to globalisation, western civilisation is at its strongest due to the ideals of neo-liberalism being spread far and wide, the domination of Western ideals in the IMF and world bank, the domination of the UN by western nations, the domination of western civilisation as a whole (Westernisation is conisdered to be a good thing. That fact is everywhere. Hell, go play "Victoria 2". You know what their sliding scale of development is called? Westernisation.)

Finally, whilst it is true on some levels that Men value themselves with regards to their job and retirement can be shown to be negative for health, along side periods of unemployment, it is also very true that men and women should be treated as equals within the workplace. If a women needs a job, she should be able to get a job.

If you do not find what they are saying to be ridiculous I feel I must ask you what you believe the rational response to this would be? Should women be overlooked in the workplace in preference to hiring men? Should it be harder for women to get work? Could you provide a single scientific study which links Women working to the decline of the economy? If your statements were accurate Afghanistan should have been an economic powerhouse. If your statement was accurate, the factories of East Asia should be supplied purely by a female labour force.

The entire idea that women should not work and men should came out from the Industrial revolution. It is a relatively new concept. Please, find a single source that states it would be better for the American economy if every single women were to become a stay at home mother. Please find a single study that supports your argument. Or, if you cannot, please cease with your argument.

 

[rbstewart7263]

Women are getting jobs and supporting their families, and they happen to be doing it more than men this time around?

I'm absolutely shocked. Even though our education system and society in general does allow (mostly) equal rights for both men and women to rise to high-paying positions of power, I am appalled that man is getting snuffed out by the woman.

Fuck Feminism, because obviously it's all a lie. There is no Patriarchy; there's a Matriarchy, and soon the women will snuff out all of mankind and take over the world!



... OK, but in all seriousness, really? This is more of those "Oh, that's neat." little things that you hear about and then promptly forget.

i suppose that its possible that in a few 100 or so years the world could move to a matriarchial society. we humans dont do well with balance its usually the this or this,black or white, men or women.

I just try to keep a balance myself within myself and my own mind/opinions.

 

[triggrhappy94]

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Thanks. I think I had some format trouble, but nothing serious. May I suggest adding some kind of explanation or summary to each of the links toward the bottom. Also, I'm pretty sure "Communism" should be capitalized.
The Daily Show and Colbert Report have regular segments on all the crazy stuff that goes on at Fox News (along with some of the MSNBC shows); you should look into those if you ever need more.

 

[IamQ]

Fox News is designed to appeal to old white people who long for a return to a idealistic 1950s society that never existed. This doesn't shock me at all

This statement is a bit false now though, since one of them is black.