Allah Says: MOAR NINJA WOMEN!

[GWarface]

If I'm not mistaken, then Denmark is packed quite heavily with Muslims.

Yes we are... Im not a racist, but those muslim boys has f*cked up alot of things in this country...
I dont agree with France, people can dress like they want... But you kinda need to see the face for identification...

 

[chainer1216]

I applaud France for doing the right thing. There are laws put down in countries which are constantly bent and broken for people of a certain religious belief and its ridiculous. The law here states that you cannot vote unless your face is clearly showing for sake of identification, yet you believe in this or that god and you can just completely break the law/rule everyone else follows? It makes no sense.

You want to come to a new country to escape oppression, or just better your life than fine. But if you can't abide by the rules of the country because of the way you lived in your old country than maybe you should re-think which country you should really be living in.

yeah! if you want freedom you have to forsake your beliefs because we say so!

 

[SimuLord]

Is the "Muslim problem" in any way related to the "Jewish question"? You Europeans and your clever little catchphrases...

And incidentally you're reported for that. THAT is, to some portions of the population the equivalent of a "9/11 lol" joke. Not cool, not cool at all.

Nice of you to COMPLETELY MISS THE POINT. The poster to whom I'd replied mentioned the "Muslim problem" in a jaunty sort of way, as if to suggest a broader racist zeitgeist. My reply pointed out the danger of that method of thinking.

But hey, if subtlety's a bit too much for you, you could always try something more on your level. Maybe GameFAQs. Or KidZone.

 

[cyber_andyy]

Errmmm, All it says in the Quran, is to dress modesty. Making women dress like that is simply controlling and sexist.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but rock on France!

 

[RanD00M]

If I'm not mistaken, then Denmark is packed quite heavily with Muslims.

OT:Ninjas. Working for Allah? Oh SimuLord, you silly silly man. Everybody knows that modern Ninjas work for Óðinn.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Muslim_population

2-3.7% depends what you define as heavy.

I wouldn't trust that list for my life. You can't take everything on Wikipedia as fact. I mean, it says on the Icelandic page that around 80% of all of Iceland is Christian. And that is just not true. Sure, 80% of us Icelanders are "signed" in the State Church, but most people are hardly active religious people.

 

[SimuLord]

Nice of you to COMPLETELY MISS THE POINT. The poster to whom I'd replied mentioned the "Muslim problem" in a jaunty sort of way, as if to suggest a broader racist zeitgeist. My reply pointed out the danger of that method of thinking.

But hey, if subtlety's a bit too much for you, you could always try something more on your level. Maybe GameFAQs. Or KidZone.

Oh aren't you so very, very clever. I applaud you, the One Sane Man left on here I take it?

If you clump all Europeans together and link us all to the Holocaust you can expect some fucking wrath! Why is it that you think it's ok to make aspersions like that but would be bothered if I pointed out how much terrorism in MY country YOUR countrymen funded because you wanted to pull all that 'toidy toidy tiddly too, oi'm oirish' shit?

Yeah, screw it, you made a filthy little joke about something you understand so very little and got called on it. Suck it up.

Considering how many Americans owe their allegiance to the Stars N' Stripes because your damn fool countrymen tried to starve and kill the bloody lot of 'em in the 1840s, not to mention our disdain for Jolly Olde England anyway (Stamp Act, Townshend Acts, occupation of Boston and massacre therein), I'd say our siding with the 'oi'm oirish' was and is understandable, eh wot, you insufferable twits?

But I guess I'll have to settle for satisfaction in knowing I riled up an Englishman. George and Tom would be proud.

 

[SimuLord]

There's a real parallel tho'. If everyone can go; "Oh that's a good idea and quite lawful." in unison together when oppressing people- It's kind of scary. It happens everywhere from time to time. Not just Europe. Try being a tanned person trying to get a pilot's license in the US. Still, it's a coy joke. A joke none the less.

Like..

What's the longest book Helen Keller ever read? A basketball.

I just think it's very easy to compare things to the Holocaust with no idea of what that really entails.

The OP has made a thread with a title that could piss off muslims and made a comment that'll piss off most Europeans and probably a lot of Jews (who get a lot more shit than you'd think. But hey, it's funny, they're the Jews...) so no I don't feel particularly sorry about telling him to wind it in a bit.

From the looks of it, the only one pissed off is you. Some folks have taken umbrage at their country being lumped in with the French (which is understandable). But you're the one treating me like the biggest asshole on the Escapist (wow, I get to be #1 at something! W00t!)

As for the topic title, did it or did it not get people to click and read what I had to say? There are a lot of threads on this forum---getting one to stand out is the difference between a lively discussion and a rapid descent to Page 5 and obscurity within an hour.

I hate people like you, I really do. It's so easy to laugh at something when you're not involved.

Believe me, the feeling is mutual.

 

[Addendum_Forthcoming]

See, this is bullshit in my opinion. It has absolutely nothing to do about religious intimidation... of the 2.2 million Muslim women in France only about 3000 wear the full Hijab in public according to polls.

Turkey (a predominantly Muslim nation) outlawed headscarves (not just full veils) in the workforce, universities and government faciltiies.

Outlawed! As in 'none of that or you'll be fired and/or ejected from the premises!'. And they don't just stop at the hijab ... headscarves or religious items at work, school, university, government offices, etc etc.

Why the hell are people complaining given that French Muslims don't choose to wear the bloody thing? Maybe ... just maybe ... the grand majority of people who wear the hijab are forced to because of their deeply oppressive religious regimes that seek to make a woman dress like a tent, or invite punishment and injury dealt by dickheads.

It's a symbol of oppression we should fight against. Not protect because it might offend people who believe women are evil temptresses and men shouldn't feel guilty if they punish and rape a girl because she chooses not to hide every inch of herself.

Is the ban also extended to banning the practice of Islam from France? No. So how the hell is this "intolerance"?

How exactly is France 'intolerant' when a predominant Muslim nation like Turkey has such a complete disregard to them, that actually being known to wear one will likely cause you to suffer socio-economically is merely being 'secularist'?

The hijab is an affront to women and an affront to modern sensibilities ... I don't understand why people are so quick to turn around and defend the 'right' to wear it, yet are so quick to vilify the WBC holding signs saying 'God Hates Fags'? ... Both of them are attrocious examples of advertising an outdated and frankly immoral, unethical, and hateful agenda that needs to be excised from modern society.

 

[Carboncrown]

I'm indifferent to the matter. Because I see this as a situation where the sides are, women being forced to wear something that is effectiely a bag over their head and the goverment saying what kinds of clothes people can wear. Both of wich are ideologically unimaginably fucked up, yet middle ground is hard to find.

So I'll just wait and see the concrete evidence of what will happen.

 

[The Stonker]

Well the french are very arrogant and very determined to preserve their cultural values.

I don't see it as particularly surprising, I think the law would likely pass here (Australia) if it was put to the government (and all the politicians were honest about what they think)

Europe has always had the freedom to be different and they don't give a shit. Evidently.

I thought France was a turning point where pretty much free thinking was invented.
I guess not.
But the thing is about Burkna is that it has more to do with "Criminals having an excuse"
and that they think that the woman is a beautiful thing and should not be covered up and disgraced because of this.
But if this is what they want then sure go for it, if they don't want this then go France.

 

[2xDouble]

All I can say is: Thank God for Jon Stewart [http://www.rallytorestoresanity.com/]. (also, watch the clip. it's very funny)

Also, Muslim ninjas would be cool, however, all shall fall before mighty Sparta!! [http://www.spike.com/full-episode/spartan-vs-ninja/31578] lol.

 

[Shapsters]

I applaud France for doing the right thing. There are laws put down in countries which are constantly bent and broken for people of a certain religious belief and its ridiculous. The law here states that you cannot vote unless your face is clearly showing for sake of identification, yet you believe in this or that god and you can just completely break the law/rule everyone else follows? It makes no sense.

You want to come to a new country to escape oppression, or just better your life than fine. But if you can't abide by the rules of the country because of the way you lived in your old country than maybe you should re-think which country you should really be living in.

yeah! if you want freedom you have to forsake your beliefs because we say so!

If my dad wants to vote in an election he cant even wear a baseball cap because his face needs to be completely clear. Yet a Muslim women can completely cover her face when she votes. Its complete and utter bullshit.

Believe what you want but we should not have to bend our rules and laws to accommodate to those beliefs.

 

[HandsomeJack]

Spoiler: Ninjas!

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This isn't about ninjas, or Muslim women, or Allah---well, not directly. See, France banned the wearing of full-length Muslim veils a couple of days ago, continuing to take what can be seen as a hard line on reining in their Muslim population.

I live in the United States. My country's religious intolerance has reached a point where even Mahmoud Ahmadinejad felt it necessary to stand up for the bulk of my countrymen. Seriously. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is talking sense. [http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/28405/ahmadinejad-islamic-countries-not-against-america/] And in the process he's probably saving American lives as fighters in the region take his counsel, which is more than Rev. Terry Jones (who ought to be shot as an enemy combatant for causing US soldier deaths in Afghanistan) can say for himself.

France, meanwhile? Poking the dog with a stick and seeing if it will bite. Europe is supposed to be this enlightened place, yet France quite possibly leads the world in religious intolerance. Not that I mind---anything that takes the heat off the good ol' USA can only be a good thing, but seriously, people.

[b]For discussion:[/b] Aw, fuck it. Open thread. About ninjas, Muslims, and ninjas fighting for Allah.[/QUOTE]

How ironic that you speak of the intollerance of others in such an equally bigotted manner...this is why we never seem to make progress in finding a middle ground. Founded statements that are not merely over-generalizations or hyperbole and a lack of little less demeaning tone will go a long way.

While certain actions of provocation are contemptable, we must also be examining the reasoning behind some of them. If a person walks around with thier face covered in my neck of the woods, often they are up to trouble (they do not want to be IDed)...it is unfortunate that this is in conflict with Islamic tradition. However, France does not have our Constitution or Bill of Rights, so if you dont like thier policy, dont live or do buisness there. I dont think they are "reigning in the muslim population" so much as covering security detail. I would look into what arguments were on the floor for passing such a law before assuming that must be the case.

Personally I do not think America is as intollerant as you say, it is simply that the loudest assholes tent to make headlines. If one man kills 1000 children and 5 million people do not, that one man makes the news. Also, why is Europe more enlightened...so far as I see, they make as many mistakes as any other civilized peoples.

Terry Jones has the right to do as he pleases in religious expression, political protest, etc. and that is his right since he lives in the USA. Spouting that he should be shot isnt productive. What would be is a concerted effort by fellow Christians to expose his behavior as decidedly UNchristian and undermine his following as they realize he leads them astray. Law does not enforce tact, but social pressure does.[/quote]

It is not Terry Jones' decision to burn a Quran (which yes, he did retract, but only under very heavy pressure) that makes me say he should be shot dead where he stands.

His decision, picked up by the media and learned about in the Arab world, led to at least 14 confirmed casualties when Afghan rebels used it as a rallying cry for an attack on a US military post in Afghanistan. It was an attack caused directly by Jones's actions, making him no better than an enemy combatant. As the saying goes, "if you don't want to stand behind our troops, feel free to stand in front of them."

Terry Jones rendered aid to the enemy in wartime (indirect aid, but aid nonetheless) leading to the death of soldiers on our side. He is a despicable, disgusting man, and sometimes it's necessary to make an example of such a person. A public execution might undo some of the damage---although as I mentioned, even [i]Mahmoud Fucking Ahmadinejad[/i] felt it necessary to say something![/quote]

Isnt public executions to coerce people to thinking/acting the way we want them to the tool of the enemies of our troops are facing? It does us no good to become the evil we fight. Though Jones should contemplate his part in those deaths, first address on this should be to the people who did the killing. Jones' comments do not remove the free wills of those men, they made thier choice. They decided for themselves to kill in response to incivility. Frankly the choice to kill over being offended is far more contemptable than to offend someone over people killing.[/quote]

I don't buy the "we're no better than our enemies" argument. In war one must always make use of every available option because "playing fair" hands the advantage to the enemy. Fourteen US soldiers died---their deaths could have been prevented. Terry Jones is no better than an enemy combatant and should be treated as such. I say we stick a nice shiny bullet right in the back of his damn fool head as an example to anyone else who would put our soldiers in harm's way through their actions.[/quote]

The logic you post here is exactly how tyrants justify silencing political dissention. "You're talk is dangerous, we should kill you for the public good," is a slippery road that leads to the loss of innocent life more than it leads to the elimination of radicals. How can you simultaniously speak as if you have the moral highground and then ultimately conclude "Ends justify means"? I dont think your opinion is as well thought out as you believe it is, that or you are not expressing yourself well. Either way, I doubt we are coming to a headway on this. We have completely different moral values, and yours strongly conflict with any reason on my part.

I would like to conclude with one thought (not a debate, just my perspective). I would rather live in a country where the words of one can jeapordize a handful of people than in a country where believes and freedoms are government controlled. History has shown a hell of a lot more people die in the latter situation than the former.

 

[Sougo]

O France, truly you set remarkable trends in the world.

France declares: "This is how it should be done!"

Everyone else looks at France, stares at France for a while and replies: "No."