Allah Says: MOAR NINJA WOMEN!
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I wonder how many people dissent France for their choice to ban the burkha but secretly agree with what they're trying to do. It seems a lot of liberals are closet-case nationalists. By this, i mean they tout equality and freedom but in the privacy of their own home to their family and friends they say "There's so many damn Muslims (or other minority) around here, i'm sick of it and it feels unamerican / non-french / whatever nation."
I don't think people would have such a problem with muslims in general if they just didn't shove it down your face. By this, i mean you see a muslim in their religious garb and you instantly recognise them as such. But you wouldn't recognise a christian or jew or whatever (aside from the skullcap) because it's not so glaringly obvious. Another issue i think is that it isn't a religious invasion, it's a cultural and national invasion. They aren't bringing their religion to you, they're bringing their country to you. Their clothing, their family lifestyle, their buildings and even writing. I've seen stores here that are written entirely in Arabic. That makes my culture feel threatened as a Briton. Intolerant? Maybe, or maybe it's because it's all happening so fast that it causes tension.
Another thing to bear in mind is that people feel that muslims are gaining preferrential treatment because - they come here and bring their culture and build mosques, but god forbid you ever build a church or something or expect their country of origin to accept your culture. I know we're all supposed to be better than that and so we do allow such a high degree of tolerance but it doesn't change the fact people feel like they have a great sense of self-entitlement and that doesn't feel great, particularly when your own country has problems to deal with.
I don't know. It's a messy subject. Banning the burkha may seem a bit drastic, but drastic times call for desperate measures and all that. I just don't want to see it all get out of hand. But i don't want the world stage to do nothing either. A degree of moderation is required. It's hard to empathise with the other group when you're not a member of it, like a man trying to sympathise with feminists without them calling him patronising.
I don't think people would have such a problem with muslims in general if they just didn't shove it down your face. By this, i mean you see a muslim in their religious garb and you instantly recognise them as such. But you wouldn't recognise a christian or jew or whatever (aside from the skullcap) because it's not so glaringly obvious. Another issue i think is that it isn't a religious invasion, it's a cultural and national invasion. They aren't bringing their religion to you, they're bringing their country to you. Their clothing, their family lifestyle, their buildings and even writing. I've seen stores here that are written entirely in Arabic. That makes my culture feel threatened as a Briton. Intolerant? Maybe, or maybe it's because it's all happening so fast that it causes tension.
Another thing to bear in mind is that people feel that muslims are gaining preferrential treatment because - they come here and bring their culture and build mosques, but god forbid you ever build a church or something or expect their country of origin to accept your culture. I know we're all supposed to be better than that and so we do allow such a high degree of tolerance but it doesn't change the fact people feel like they have a great sense of self-entitlement and that doesn't feel great, particularly when your own country has problems to deal with.
I don't know. It's a messy subject. Banning the burkha may seem a bit drastic, but drastic times call for desperate measures and all that. I just don't want to see it all get out of hand. But i don't want the world stage to do nothing either. A degree of moderation is required. It's hard to empathise with the other group when you're not a member of it, like a man trying to sympathise with feminists without them calling him patronising.
Well, I agree with the burka ban I only wish it was introduced in my country. Christ, I wish it was introduced globally for all headscarfs.Gralian said:
This is not about banning a piece of clothing, it's about banning the idea that woman are lesser beings who need to cover themselves so as not to bewitch men with their female powers of seduction. You see, Muslim men need to be mindful of Allah and seeing an attractive woman will fill their heads with unholy thoughts. So ofcourse women need to be coverd up!
I'm all for religious freedom, but putting condescending ideals into actual practice is where I draw the line.
A tad late, but I always remember "armoured dinner jacket".Irridium said:
Slightly more OT: I thought, as some have mentioned, that France mostly did it to stop women being pressured into wearing these things. They do seem to get rather riled about things that infringe on their culture (Note riots over pension plans). The British seem to be tired of outside cultures coming in with little assimilation into Britishness, and the Germans appear to have given up altogether.
Now if you want to say it out load in public what you need to do is saySimuLord said:
"I'm a dinner jacket" but tail off at the end so it sounds like this;
"I'm a dinner ja"
Iranian phonetics 101 with ColdStorage!.
Its our country, our culture.Lyri said:
We abide by the cultures of other nations therefore the same respect should be given in ours.
If you want to come to France, speak French, drink coffee, eat croissants and smoke, its not a lot to ask for now is it?
holy thread necro batman!, I should have seen that!.