Am i the only one who cares that New Vegas looks EXACTLY like Fallout 3?

[thenoblitt]

new weapons, new attacks, new locations, alot more bright colors, and greenery, sounds pretty different actually

 

[Yeslek Ssomllur]

I have to say I'm pretty bothered by it.
About as bothered as I was about Fallout 3 looking so much like Oblivion.

 

[burgbrand22]

I am concerned that New Vegas will be as generic and dry looking as the Wasteland. Hope not.

The open world should be exotic, beautiful, interesting, fun to explore, not empty and boring as the Wasteland was. Even with this flaw, Fallout 3 was an alrite game.

 

[kingcom]

The mind numbingly reatarded plot and characters? The senselessness of the entire situation you went through? The rubbish skill system?

I liked it.

But please, elaborate intelligently on why you believe all of the above.

Fair enough. Firstly, the entire plan of your father is to figure out a way to purify water correct? This doesnt make much sense. Firstly water is perhaps the easiest substance to purify of radiation as all you need to do is filter it through something. ANYTHING, like, you know. Dirt. Bingo, his entire plan is pointless. Secondly, your forced to treat your father like hes some kind of hero, when in actuality he has done nothing positive towards you in game. He leaves you in Vault 101 where a teenage (Amata) manages to figure out before your father that staying in the vault isnt exactly safe. Your forced to go on a gigantic quest to find your father (which the game has given you no reason to actually find rather than just TELLING you to find him).

On your way you meet up with a series of annoying accents (which somehow exist after 200 years of nuclear fallout, and yes you could say that they have their racial communities BUT its been shown that nothing has developed outside of the wasteland since if people had actually been out here, crops and the like would be sprouting up, there would be some greenery outside of the Oasis). Yes im one of those peopel who didnt like "she who shall not be named" in Megaton. You know her, the one with the accent...

Anyway, the village/town of Megaton. A nuclear crater sized plothole. A town built around a undetonated nuclear bomb. See this itself doesnt make sense. Towns are not just formed for no reason. The only logic i can setup is that the Church of the Atom found it and set up their Church here and a town they setup around it but that doesnt make much sense as wouldnt that mean everyone here is a member of the church (and i seem to recall someone saying that the church came after but could be wrong here). So, the reason for the town existing? Zero. Its here because the plot needed it to be here.

So you move on and get to see some raiders and buildings (i can accept the rule of cool for the existance of actual structures here) and eventually check things out like the Brotherhood of Steel. Now these guys...where do i start. They end up having some random connection to your dads old science team but apparently all seem completely ignorant your his son until they suddenly recognise you after your death. The Brotherhood (or team carebears as i like to refer to them) are some kind of team save everyone approach to the brotherhood. Makes no sense based on past fallout logic but ok fine, i can roll with that.

What really starts to hurt is when Project Purity comes in. You see this is where a game that was providing fairly weak motivation falls apart. So the Enclave show up just as you get Project Purity from the Super Mutants. Your father thinks this is apparently a bad idea. You know, the research project WHICH DOESNT WORK! is worth him dying for so that the Enclave cant have it. What are they doing to do? Purify the water? Gee how horrible would that be, correcting your fathers mistakes. In fact whats the whole point of the project? Your shown that the Mr. Handy robots can already collect rain vapour and turn it into water. THE TECHNOLOGY ALREADY EXISTS! Why not mass produce that? Or i dont know, fix the Mr. Handy robots and supply it to people?

You know what? Lets put logic behind us and pretent they dont have that technology. Why are they at project purity? Why not a nice safe place like Rivet City? Its not too far away and you can setup pumps for the area around you or even to the Purifier? Lets pretend scrap metal and welding equipment is unavailable.

The big question is why they would care if the Enclave have control over the purifier? Do they think people would charge for it? I mean, what the hell does the Enclave care for caps? Do they suspect the Enclave would poison it (which turns out to be incorrect as President Eden never tells Colonel Autumn about the modified FEV). So who cares if they take it and get it working?

So the Brotherhoods plan is to send you after the GECK. Which is apparently magic now, you know what, they have hacked the fallout fluff to bits already so lets move on. The GECK is in a certain super mutant controlled vault, fine. They way to get into the Vault is through...little children. Really? Little children have managed to survive while being sandwiched between Slavers and Super Mutants. WHY HAVNT THE SUPER MUTANTS MURDERED ALL THESE KIDS????? Because they have plot armour. Yay. So these pains in the butt have been here and having underaged sex since the bombs dropped. Thats...making me feeling uncomfortable. Moving on. So they kick the older kids out right? Firstly why would they do that? Secondly, why would the older kids let them? I mean you could argue that the younger kids have guns but then those kids would grow up anyway so...why would they decide to leave the IMPENETRABLE FORTRESS of Little Lamplight. Because apparently some kid with a gun and some wooden fences can hold back a Vault full of Super Mutants. O...k

So you get the GECK, Enclave steals it and Oh Dear GOD! These monsters have FIXED the purifier. Trully these are evil people who want to purify water! How dare they! We must assault the place with our giant slogan spewing robot but you need to escort it (why? Anything which can take that robot down is going to laugh at you and your squad of troops).

So the big crushing moment. You have to go in and die or send someone else into the Purifier to die. Um...how about that Super Mutant that the game made a really big deal about him being immune to radiation from? Hes not in the mood to go in eh? Alrighty ill just commit suicide because your not in the mood to help Fawkes..no trouble really.

Oh yes thats right, patches. So apparently sending Fawkes in makes Ron Pearlmen think im a coward? Why is that Ron? I mean all i did was send him to push a button or two. Its like if i ask someone to turn my computer on im apparently a coward for not doing it myself?


There you go. Thats some plot and a little brief touch on characters. Want more?

 

[MiracleOfSound]

hello? its supposed to be in the same time period as fallout 3, its like a continuation of the world, the developers already pointed that out, fucking ignorant bastards

No need for that kind of abuse, we don't do things that way here.

Fallout 3? Good. Fallout 3 improved, fleshed out in some areas, moved to a traditional Fallout setting, but not fucked around with too badly? Better.

Exactly, and this is why I'm looking forward to New Vegas more than any other game.

 

[Readial]

Hmmm... While I am interested in New Vegas, and it is not made by Bethesda (SO THEY CAN MAKE ELDER SCROLLS V!!!!), Obsidian has this reputation for making huge RPGs that was great and all to something which has a lower quality, not bad but not as good as the original. Which is why that while I don't care how it looks, I'm worried of how it would present itself to the gaming industry, interms of story and gameplay.

Anyone can put that thought to rest for me? I would be grateful if you did.

 

[kingcom]

And that's the beauty of the story. It is pointless because the heroes are in a nuclear wasteland. They don't know the knowledge we do because their civilization has regressed back in time.

No, that is stupid. They didnt lose their technology, they still kept it all in the vaults. THEY HAVE THIS TECHNOLOGY! Its running around on their robots. What are you talking about? Nothing in fallout ever suggests that the people in the vaults ever regressed.

Well he is your only family member in the unforgiving universe of Fallout. I know I'd look for family in a world like that.

You've got to remember, he's your father and he's your hero.

He left you to DIE at the hands of an obsessed overseer. I was hoping i could hunt him down and kill him for being such a bastard.

Okay yes the accents were annoying, but due to language acquisition, language and accents develops over time. Would you expect the beneficial citizens of the Vaults, who have probably been taught to read and write to have the same speech patterns and accents than the sewer trash in the various scrap metal communes? I wouldn't.

No, i expect continuity in language. Why is someone with an Irish accent running around?

I knew the reason while I read this. There's an old woman you explains it all in Megaton.

I'll quote what she says from the Fallout wiki.

Megaton was built by a large group of people who sought shelter in Vault 101 but were denied access because the residents of the Vault were not allowed to leave or let anyone in as part of their subterranean installation's policy. Locked out of the Vault, the people settled down around a large crater created by an aircraft that crashed during the war. These settlers, led by Manya Vargas' father, constructed their homes using aircraft debris from a nearby air station. There is an undetonated bomb at the center of the crater, but because the town's construction was aided by the Children of the Atom, who worship the undetonated bomb, the settlers had no choice but to leave it unmoved in exchange for their help.

Besides, it makes for a great mission.

The mission where nobody seems to mind that your tampering with the bomb (which amongst those present are people worshiping the dam thing). Yea....that was a fantastic mission....

Also, how did they find the vault? Why did they stick around and not go somewhere safer? What was there to gain by the aircraft crater? None of this town makes sense.

I just thought they saw themselves as the police. As such they helped anyone who came by and blew up anything that pissed them off.

So the brotherhood has been reduced to the police? Great....fantastic...i believe raping the lore would be an appropriate term here.

Firstly, mass production in the Fallout universe is a little on the far side of impossible.

Secondly, your Project Purity was a idea that would make an entire lake clean and provide free water for all. You can see the after effects on this in the Broken Steel DLC.

And on the note of your fathers sacrifice, put it down as human error.[footnote]And dramatic purpose.[/footnote]

Mass production is going on in Fallout, you know the Pit? Yea that. Not to mention the numerous functioning factories. Also, if mass production wasnt possible, where did they get all the bottles for the project purity water? They cant use regular glasses because they would be irradiated.

So your fathers an idiot. How did he die though? Colonel Autumn was standing right next to him. Trapped in the container. I mean it looks like he takes rad away or something but then why cant you do that in the final scene?

I thought the memorial was used because it was in the centre of the lake...

Again, just put it down to human error. The whole point of Fallout 3 is the player comes to realise that everything the 'smart' characters say is horrifically flawed. Even the Eden supercomputer, made from the greatest minds, is seriously out of touch of what we today would call common sense.

It makes it more aggravating on the player when the characters embark on something that we know with today's education, that it would lead to nowhere. You must remember that these characters are living in backwards civilization. Their food is our old supplies. Their weapons, bar the Enclave, are our old weapons.

The characters in Fallout are intentionally stupid.

You dont need to be at the basin to pump water from it.

So the whole point of Fallout 3 is that the characters are retarded? Thats not something to be proud of. They are NOT living in backwards civilization, see thats where you making things up. These are supposed to be normal people, civilisation does not simply get stupid all of a sudden. Your father is supposed to be a visionary, why would i ever enjoy a game where humanity is some deformed mess (note: this is not what fallout is about or ever has been so dont try and pretend this is some visionary look at humanity), not capable of pulling together the most basic of thought. Thats not a game. Thats a Rob Schneider movie.

Thats not even black humour. Its just sad, the characters do not maintain a human level of intelligence. Intelligence not knowldge mind you. How is that remotely entertaining? That everyone your dealing with is an idiot? You know my response to that as a player? Kill everyone so i dont have to deal with them. I stop being immersed in a world where there are real human beings and are forced to sit back in my chair, stunned at the sheer stupidity of the world on the screen.

I seem to recall some person saying that they would keep the water for their troops only and this would only let "the strongest survive".

Good luck trying to guard "water". Why do their troops need that much water? If they do, how have they been surviving for so long? Remember the Enclave has existed since before the war.

Little lamplight is the only safe way into the vault. Besides the kids, especially the mayor, seem like they can handle themselves. And considering they have all those walls and gates built they hold the advantage.

There's a mission where a slaver asks you to kidnap a child from Lamplight. I remember something along the lines that they sent wave after wave of men at the city and none returned.

So yeah, the kids are badass.

If these kids can hold off super mutants, why is anyone afraid of super mutants? Why do you even need the brotherhood? Why not send your 4 year old son into the middle of D.C and clear the place out? I mean seriously, why would the Super Mutants not assault Lamplight and take everything. How do kids hold off a slaver assault? WTF? None of this makes any sense. Why cant the kids assault the enclave? The brotherhood should trade the robot for the kids help. I have played through almost everything in fallout 3, im aware of that mission. It made no sense.

If you read the backstory to the place you'd have a lot less complaining.

The reason adults are kicked out was because in the first days of the city, all the adults who were there abandoned the children. The final straw was when the adults in the nearby Vault refused them entry. This made the city have a pledge that all children must agree to leave when they reach adulthood. I would agree to this. 16 to 18 years of living, learning before I have to make it on my own? Good deal.

Besides, the mutants have no reason to attack the city. Not only is there little to gain, attacking the place seems to have the effect of death on those attacking.

I HAVE read the backstory, thats what im complaing about.

That doesnt answer my complaint. When the younger kids first kicked the older kids out, i assume they had guns (nobody in their right mind would leave the place otherwise). So when these kids grew up, someone would refuse to leave. I know i would. I can garuntee many MANY more other would. Self preservation is kinda overpowering.

What do you mean mutants have no reason to attack. Theres food, theres things there which arent other super mutants. Since when do super mutants need a reason to attack someone? They are so friggen close to the vault that you can walk down and tunnel and enter it.

What about how they are reproducing? How are there still children there after 200 years? Explain it to me. Are these kids breeding? In case you dont realise you put an older kid in a room with young kids, geuss who usually ends up in charge? I can see McCreedy not leaving thats for sure and in 200 years nobody else has decided to do this? What about the maternal instincts of the parents? How would they leave their babies behind?

As said, they would be "Water Nazi's".

Again, the Enclave with all their pre-war knowledge. Why do they need the purifier?

Also, Take it back was the final mission, you want something epic to close the game right? Giant robots not epic enough for you?

I dont want epic. I want something that gives me a reason to keep playing. The purifier was pointless, there was no reason to QUICKLY TAKE IT! Since apparently I was the only one who knew the access code. So why not get the robot working to full capacity? Why bother with the project since the enclave cant get it running.

The whole reason they refuse to do it is because it is fucking dramatic and a bookend to story.

You are mirroring your fathers sacrifice earlier in the game, it's a great piece of writing from a story perspective.

Firstly, i have the DLC dont tell me to buy something i already own. The problem is its not a dramatic moment. Its stupid. There is not drama or tension if there is no risk. Placing an invisible wall to make you do it does not create tension. It makes a reasonable person legitimately question why he cannot do the obvious.

I guess it does make sense about the father though. See, your father died for nothing, Colonel Autumn survived and likewise you died for nothing. Because your companion gave you the middle finger. Thanks fallout 3, i learnt that if i had jumped off a cliff i would be a hero like my father....yay.

Yeah, you are a coward. You refused to follow in your fathers footsteps.

You may say it was a pragmatic choice, but that always leads to death in any medium.

How does overcoming an challenge by providing a safe and easy solution make a person a coward? I would have thought running in and killing yourself would have been the definition of a rash action. When clear thought and thinking can overcome the problem safely. Im geussing your one of those people who like to weld without a mask on or clean up a toxin spill naked. In fact, you know those American soldiers in Afghanistan? They dont go into war naked, therfore they are cowards... Great logic you have there...

But that would be silly as this is a thread about New Vegas.

It was asked for, therfore it was given.

 

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

I don't care, because the FO3 graphics by themselves vere fa too extensive in relation to everything else.

If they managed to fix the ridiculous skills, iron out the flaws in the perks, actually have a decent story and more than half a dozen interesting side-quests, the existing graphics are more than up-to-date enough to transform the failiure that was Fallout 3 into a good game.

basically this. i was gonna add in it seems like they are actually adding features and concentrating more on stuff that i care about in games, so im sure ill actually like this compared to fo3

 

[Crazycat690]

I said that months ago, but they wouldn't listen... The thing is, New Vegas will be what Fo3 SHOULD have been, and that means we will practically play a 2 year old game, not bad in itself but not much competition for newer and more shiny games. Now the graphics ain't my biggest complaint, it's the bad animation, robotic movement and stupid AI. Seriusly, when the most natural moving beings in a game is robots you know something is wrong...

Anyway, Fallout died after Tactics, now were just seing bad spinn-offs IMO.

And RPG or not, a man can't survive 5 shotgun blasts to the face in close range, it was a bad mix, if you wan't to make a RPG/FPS do it right, look at System Shock 2 or Bioshock, sure it would drift away more from the original Fallout but that ship has sailed already partner =P

 

[WINDOWCLEAN2]

I fail to see why this is a problem?

Fallout 3 was one of the nicest looking games ive played in a long time (not necesarilly graphics wise)

And they are set in the same world, similar time. So it mkes sense they look similar

 

[zHellas]

You can yell at me all you want, and guess more of what is good is good i suppose, but you know Yahtzee is going to rip on what ive said for about 2 minutes of his episode.

Who cares what Yahtzee says?
He isn't a game reviewer.
He is a comedian.

I say he's more of a mix between Critic and Comedian. A Critimedian.

Yeah, I'm guessing he's one of the pre-fallout3 elitist that like to act like the third installment raped and murdered their entire family.

Don't bother...=P

I'm guessing he's an idiot. And I'm probably right.

You're probably talking about kingcom. While I do agree with you, insulting people is against the rules. So... sorry for reporting you on that.

 

[NewYork_Comedian]

Yeah, I'm guessing he's one of the pre-fallout3 elitist that like to act like the third installment raped and murdered their entire family.

Don't bother...=P

I'm guessing he's an idiot. And I'm probably right.

You're probably talking about kingcom. While I do agree with you, insulting people is against the rules. So... sorry for reporting you on that.

Not really, quite the opposite actually, I liked that they were taking it in a new direction because nobody but the hardcore fans would enjoy the 2-d top down perspective in this day and age.

 

[zHellas]

Yeah, I'm guessing he's one of the pre-fallout3 elitist that like to act like the third installment raped and murdered their entire family.

Don't bother...=P

I'm guessing he's an idiot. And I'm probably right.

You're probably talking about kingcom. While I do agree with you, insulting people is against the rules. So... sorry for reporting you on that.

Not really, quite the opposite actually, I liked that they were taking it in a new direction because nobody but the hardcore fans would enjoy the 2-d top down perspective in this day and age.

... You have the wrong people quoted.

 

[Syphous]

I personally do not see an issue with a Fallout 3 clone. I fucking loved Fallout 3. New location, new story line, new main character, a few different mechanics, but still Fallout 3. WOO!

 

[demoman_chaos]

If graphics is all you care about, then go play something else. If you are (like me) more concerned with fun gameplay, then it doesn't matter how many polygons the imps have in their eyeballs. I wouldn't mind if the graphics were all pixel-art, as long as the game is fun and has enough replay value that I can get my money's worth out of it.

 

[TheLefty]

Am I the only one who cares about New Vegas BECAUSE it looks like Fall Out 3? It's possibly my favorite game of all time, and more of your favorite is still your favorite.