I did in the edit. You've misrepresented everything that your linked article said. Amazon sales rank increased? THAT MUST MEAN THEY SOLD 875x MORE! BECAUSE FUCK MATHS!erttheking said:
Seriously?
Amazon UK Wii U sales rank jump by 875% following Xbox One reveal
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I edited my last post too, and like I said you could've just told me that I should probably edit my OP instead of just blowing up at me like this.ResonanceSD said:
The Xbox One will probably be a better prospect to Americans than to the rest of the world where those set top box features might not amount to much and MS has a track record with the 360 for been selective with Live features.
As a Brit I have no need for a set top box, when we've got freeview and Sky.
As a Brit I have no need for a set top box, when we've got freeview and Sky.
Okay, first, unless everything else in the world above the WiiU in rank yesterday suddenly stopped selling, increase in sales rank = increase in sales. Personally, not believing in coincidence except in the rare case where it is the only explanation (meaning 'there is no explanation'), I'll go ahead and associate the WiiU's jump in rank* with it's sales increasing. Assuming that everything else stayed roughly the same price and sold roughly the same amount of units, that should equate to the WiiU's sales shooting up 875%.ResonanceSD said:
Second, your explosion at the OP is an excellent summary of everything that is wrong with this forum. I have no idea what has you so emotionally invested in this, but I can just feel the butthurt. I can only assume that it has something to do with 'insert console here' having 'insert action here' done to it.
Third, a massive jump in sales like such could be a product of a low base, or it could be a product of a new market emerging, or a shift in consumer tastes, or the disappearance/general problems with a substitute product (or D, all of the above), something you've conveniently ignored despite learning about it in High School Economics. Personally, (again, not believing in coincidence when there is a REASONABLE explanation) it is COMPLETELY fair to assume that the Xbox One's terrible performance has everything to do with the sales jump, and NOT the WiiU's supposed tiny fanbase. E.G. a potential substitute has just disappeared, consumers are shifting their tastes to something that actually runs games as a priority, and the entire sensible chunk of the xbox fanbase (so a good 20%!) has just opened up as a market.
Doesn't surprise me. Wii U and PS4 look like the only gaming consoles coming out this gen. I can't imagine a lot of people will want to shell money for the same entertainment system they can get with an HDTV.
Still hoping the system doesn't crash, but Microsoft will need big exclusives this year outside of Halo.
Still hoping the system doesn't crash, but Microsoft will need big exclusives this year outside of Halo.
Dont feed the haters bro. Its not their fault they dont have basic market training, or a stable frontal lobe, or just plain mad.erttheking said:
A significant note and some good news for Nintendo but realistically all it really means is that maybe a percent or two of people in Great Britain were unimpressed with the Xbone reveal and decided to jump on the Nintendo bandwagon. Considering Wii U sales were extremely low at the moment to begin with it wouldn't take that many buying to get a 800% sales increase. They still need to get their 1st class games out, and if people would show a little patience they will come, to really start moving the console.
xPrometheusx said:
Again. As the article linked says, the rank jumped up. This is related to sales volume. However, it is not sales volume. Not sure why completely misrepresenting a story gets a free pass from people like you, but it sure as hell should not.
I can't explain to someone like you how rank in sales does not equal to volume sold without some kind of hammer, so I'll use numbers instead.
If you sell one WiiU and then you sell 8.75, that's an increase worth noting. If only so that people can misrepresent what a % figure is on a forum. In terms of sales it's still pathetic.
However, if you sell 200,000 and become the 875th ranked item on the Amazon marketplace, from your previous ranking of 8,750,000 after selling 2, that's a bigger physical increase.
However
You can't just fucking assume "all things will remain equal" because this is not the hypothetical world that economists make up as they go along, this is the actual world where people live.
Economists are the biggest fucking cheaters in the world, because they're the only people who can make up a model, work out that it's wrong, and then change it later and claim they were always right. Your hypotheticals, whilst well suited for a 10th grade scenario, do not hold up in the real world.
You know, I imagine you would get a lot farther with people if you stopped insulting them.ResonanceSD said:
erttheking said:
Sure. That doesn't change the fact that 1) your headline is misleading and misrepresenting of the actual facts of the story and 2) I'm still right.
I don;'t think this has any impact on who will win the console war; waaaay to early to be relevant, just like the wiiU's initial failing itself. That said....
LOL
I was waiting to see the positive impact on Nintendo! I mean, their console is out. If Sony's Stock jumped from how awful the Xbox was and they don't even have PS4 on shelves, having a console out now must be a damned good position to be in.
LOL
I was waiting to see the positive impact on Nintendo! I mean, their console is out. If Sony's Stock jumped from how awful the Xbox was and they don't even have PS4 on shelves, having a console out now must be a damned good position to be in.
Well they've lost at least one sale to Nintendo or Sony. My niece and nephew don't have constant net access or their own hdtv and they frequently borrow from my games collection.
I simply can't buy them an Xbone.
I simply can't buy them an Xbone.
I think Microsoft simply cannot compute as to how on earth this is happening. The answers quite obviously there but they just want to ignore it.
It's not hypothetical, assuming that everything else in a market will suddenly change surrounding one figure is naive and stupid, especially without any supporting evidence. It is FAR more likely for equilibrium to be established and maintained in a market than for everything minus one to suddenly turn on it's head in favor of the minus one because it 'just so happens.' I'm not saying nothing has changed in the market surrounding the WiiU, but for every drop there will most likely be an increase, and it's far more likely that the WiiU performed excellently than everything else fell. With this in mind, it is safe to establish that the console jumped this far up due to actual market conditions, rather than a sudden, completely random changes in the lineup.ResonanceSD said:
The statistic point is just... flat out false. An 875% increase in the rank represents an 875% increase in volume sold, because as stated, the market itself is relatively constant. I'm not so idiotic as to not allow some margin for error because of fluctuations in the rest of the market, but at MOST it is 10-15, MAYBE 20% on either side, a tiny fraction of the 875% total. To use your own example, if you were 8,750,000th after selling 2, then 875th after selling 200,000, that is a direct relationship. % increase in rank = % increase in volume sold. Literally all you did was move the 0s around.
*and then you didn't even move them around correctly, the numbers in your example are STILL random. You'd actually be 87.5th, because this is MATH.
You know you've dun goofed when the competition's products start selling like hotcakes in response to your big reveal.
I'm just after staying up all night because I couldn't sleep, I felt like I could crawl into a hole and pass out
And then I read this and everything is all sunshine and hookers XD
OT: Remember when we took the piss out of the Wii at launch? How it was going to be outmatched by PS3 and 360? History repeats it seems.
While this isn't a instant win for Nintendo or Sony, this is a MASSIVE boost for them.
And then I read this and everything is all sunshine and hookers XD
OT: Remember when we took the piss out of the Wii at launch? How it was going to be outmatched by PS3 and 360? History repeats it seems.
While this isn't a instant win for Nintendo or Sony, this is a MASSIVE boost for them.
Eh, looking at the link in the article Earthbound jumped 1,851%, GTA5 jumped 700%, FarCry 3 jumped 472%, etc.
The % is how much the "sales rank" has increased/decreased in the past 24 hours - I assume the rank is dependent on the number of units sold. So if Game A sells 100 units and is at rank 1, and Game B sells 99 units and is at rank 2, if Game B sells 2% more stock it jumps to rank 1 and has a 100% increase in "sales rank".
We know the Wii U was sitting at #390 then jumped to #40, hence a large increase in sales rank, but that doesn't tell us how large the sales boost actually was (if indeed there was any - there could have been a sales lapse in other high-selling products). If the top ~10 rankers are pulling ~10,000 sales a day, the ~40 rankers are pulling ~1,000 sales a day, and the ~390 rankers are pulling ~950 sales a day, then a 5% boost in sales could have a 875% boost in sales rank.
Good news for Nintendo either way, but a drop in price is a far more likely culprit than a failed Xbone.
EDIT:
The % is how much the "sales rank" has increased/decreased in the past 24 hours - I assume the rank is dependent on the number of units sold. So if Game A sells 100 units and is at rank 1, and Game B sells 99 units and is at rank 2, if Game B sells 2% more stock it jumps to rank 1 and has a 100% increase in "sales rank".
We know the Wii U was sitting at #390 then jumped to #40, hence a large increase in sales rank, but that doesn't tell us how large the sales boost actually was (if indeed there was any - there could have been a sales lapse in other high-selling products). If the top ~10 rankers are pulling ~10,000 sales a day, the ~40 rankers are pulling ~1,000 sales a day, and the ~390 rankers are pulling ~950 sales a day, then a 5% boost in sales could have a 875% boost in sales rank.
Good news for Nintendo either way, but a drop in price is a far more likely culprit than a failed Xbone.
EDIT:
I don't believe this is correct, as I've stated above. If there was a direct linear correlation between rank and volume of units sold then you could assume an 875% gain in rank = an 875% gain in sales volume, but you would most likely NOT see a linear correlation. Instead you'd have a handful of very high selling high demand new release products, a steep decline into a larger assortment of older products that are still selling moderately after their initial sales spike, and then flatlining into a huge assortment of various products where the difference in sales volume per day between them is very small. In this tail end a small boost in sales can have a MASSIVE boost in rank, as there are so many products selling relatively similarly. For example, if tomorrow for whatever reason a couple of people went and bought Daddy Day Care it's sales rank might jump from #239,587 to #23,958 - a 1000% increase in sales rank - but in terms of sales volume it might've sold 15 copies that day instead of it's usual 10, giving it a 50% increase in sales volume.xPrometheusx said:
Awesome.
It's cool to hear Nintendo's getting more sales, it makes sense something like this would happen after Microsoft's presentation. What with Sony's stock going up, something good would have to happen with Nintendo too right? Maybe the sales will cause their stock to get a bit of a pick up as well? Either way I'm sure they're pleased with this.
I feel kinda bad for Microsoft though. They just con not catch a break lately, maybe they'll find some way to turn things around.
This reminds me, I need to get a Wii U soon, I still don't have one, yet I've wanted one for awhile. Maybe I'll get one once I've cleared out my current backlog, I still have a lot of shit for the Wii to finish anyway.
Either way, kudos to Nintendo. You guys deserve it.
It's cool to hear Nintendo's getting more sales, it makes sense something like this would happen after Microsoft's presentation. What with Sony's stock going up, something good would have to happen with Nintendo too right? Maybe the sales will cause their stock to get a bit of a pick up as well? Either way I'm sure they're pleased with this.
I feel kinda bad for Microsoft though. They just con not catch a break lately, maybe they'll find some way to turn things around.
This reminds me, I need to get a Wii U soon, I still don't have one, yet I've wanted one for awhile. Maybe I'll get one once I've cleared out my current backlog, I still have a lot of shit for the Wii to finish anyway.
Either way, kudos to Nintendo. You guys deserve it.
Considering the jump of 875% comes from literally near Zero, this doesn't mean anything yet.
But it is a good start
But it is a good start