Amazon UK Wii U sales rank jump by 875% following Xbox One reveal

[The White Hunter]

Technically, its the sales ranking on Amazon UK that jumped by 875%. No, I'm not exactly sure what the difference is either. Also, Amazon cut the price of the Wii U by a bit, so I'm sure that's helping numbers as well.

But yeah... I'm guessing a lot of people were waiting until all three consoles were on the table before making a move. Now that the Xbone has shown itself to be a catastrophe in a box, it's down to Sony and Nintendo. Hope Iwata capitalises on this, or at least gives Microsoft a thank you in the next Nintendo Direct. Xbone or price cut, a jump in sales like that is only a good thing. What's even better is that software sales have also spiked. Zombie U, Monster Hunter and NSMBU have all had a massive sales spike.

Hopefully the next Direct will be what really gets things going for the console. If the rumour of Retro working on a Star Tropics II is true... jesus.

You mean Startropics 3. There was already a star tropics 2 at the tail end of the NES.

I think we'll be seeing a much more interesting generation than the last one to say the least, especially given how much easier these consoles are to work with as hardware, and the PS4 being definitively more potent a games machine on paper the the Xbox One... Not to mention Microsoft is taking hits all over the place and seems to be nose diving in most areas...

Also, I appreciated that .gif very much my good man. There's a ZombiU 2 in the works by the way, and if it is called ZombiU 2 then think of all the jokes you can make with that. Not to mention that 3D mario thing we get too see in a couple weeks, the rumoured Mario Kart x Sonic & All Stars Racing crossover.

 

[chinangel]

Technically, its the sales ranking on Amazon UK that jumped by 875%. No, I'm not exactly sure what the difference is either. Also, Amazon cut the price of the Wii U by a bit, so I'm sure that's helping numbers as well.

Wait, Wii-U got a temporary price cut? Which model? If it is the 32GB model, I think I might take advantage of this...

OT: Have to admit, looks like Microsoft did Nintendo and Sony a favor, because from the looks of it, the Xbone isn't gonna do well unless they give some seriously appealing news.

The biggest killer is the damn online fiasco and used game fees...

the eye-spy kinect doesn't upset anyone?

OT: Not too surprised. As an xbox gamer the xbone is apalling.

 

[The White Hunter]

they would still inevitably lose out when the Nintendo/Sega partnership reaches it's logical conclusion and Shenmue III is announced as an exclusive.

You forgot the inevitable good Golden Axe Reboot, a well deserved Streets of Rage revival, Sonic games co-developed by Nintendo and thus not allowed out the door in un-perfect condition...

You could say this is a genesis of games development.

[sub]I'll get my own coat[/sub]

 

[Shoggoth2588]

...Sonic games co-developed by Nintendo...

HOLY CRAP, HAVE YOU SEEN THE LATEST TEASER IMAGE?!

You can't see much of them but from what you can, they remind me a lot of Koopalings, especially their spiky wrist...things. The one in the Middle could be a Bowser variation and the one roundish one looks like Big the Cat if it was an evil general in the Koopa Army. I want this game yesterday!

I'd also love to see a new Panzer Dragoon...and a 3DS Space Channel 5...and a new Jet Grind game. What I meant by the Shenmue III thing is, they could announce that alone and win E3 this year. Announcing anything else would be overkill. Oh and before I forget: I would love to see a new Power Stone. That too would auto-win E3 2013.

 

[Fractral]

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Hold on, I think I see what ResonanceSD is trying to say. Although it's sales rank jumped up however many places it was, that doesn't directly correlate to its physical sales. They would have increased, but not necessarily by 875%.
Suppose the Wii U was selling 10000 units. The #389th place item could have been selling 10001, and then so on with each unit increasing so that the previous #40 item was selling 20000 units. After the increase, the Wii U is now selling, say, 20001 units. This corresponds to a jump of 350 ranks, but only an actual real number increase of ~100%. So to say that real number sales jumped 875% is unsubstantiated, because there are no figures given. It may have been 875%, but that is very unlikely. More likely it was a 100% increase or less.

 

[Yopaz]

Technically, its the sales ranking on Amazon UK that jumped by 875%. No, I'm not exactly sure what the difference is either. Also, Amazon cut the price of the Wii U by a bit, so I'm sure that's helping numbers as well.

Sales ranking is the number of sold units in comparison to other products (I believe it's compared to other products in the same category). I checked it up and the sales from Amazon UK has increased by 129% so it's nowhere as drastic as stated in the thread title. It's also only the sales from one store, not for the console as a whole.

 

[Rack]

Dammit, I just told my dad to invest in Nintendo and Sony. Why didn't he listen?!

Because you will have been far too slow, the stock shifted before the Xb1 conference even finished.

 

[WanderingFool]

What does a 875% increasde in sales or whatever actually mean?

 

[Yopaz]

It's not hypothetical, assuming that everything else in a market will suddenly change surrounding one figure is naive and stupid, especially without any supporting evidence. It is FAR more likely for equilibrium to be established and maintained in a market than for everything minus one to suddenly turn on it's head in favor of the minus one because it 'just so happens.' I'm not saying nothing has changed in the market surrounding the WiiU, but for every drop there will most likely be an increase, and it's far more likely that the WiiU performed excellently than everything else fell. With this in mind, it is safe to establish that the console jumped this far up due to actual market conditions, rather than a sudden, completely random changes in the lineup.

The statistic point is just... flat out false. An 875% increase in the rank represents an 875% increase in volume sold, because as stated, the market itself is relatively constant. I'm not so idiotic as to not allow some margin for error because of fluctuations in the rest of the market, but at MOST it is 10-15, MAYBE 20% on either side, a tiny fraction of the 875% total. To use your own example, if you were 8,750,000th after selling 2, then 875th after selling 200,000, that is a direct relationship. % increase in rank = % increase in volume sold. Literally all you did was move the 0s around.

*and then you didn't even move them around correctly, the numbers in your example are STILL random. You'd actually be 87.5th, because this is MATH.

You should have read your source and you should have checked out the source they used. I've got it right here:

Look at the Wii U. Actual sales are up 129% the rank has actually increased since the article was posted since the Wii U is now on 16th rather than 40th, but as for sales they are only 129%.

What does a 875% increasde in sales or whatever actually mean?

It means nothing. Well, it does mean that someone didn't learn to be distrustful of source material or to cross check references to see if it actually holds up to reality. As for what the numbers themselves mean is that the WiiU is the 16th best selling item in the video game category on Amazon UK which is only one of the thousands of stores that sell consoles and video games in Europe. According to VG chart, which posts statistics of global sales the sales are down 18%. Now that might not be up to date and according to that chart all console sales have decreased this week.

 

[Eve Charm]

I believe it.

The xbox one reveal was suppose to make me do one thing, make me want the console

not, Do I really even want this?

 

[Mr F.]

Technically, its the sales ranking on Amazon UK that jumped by 875%. No, I'm not exactly sure what the difference is either. Also, Amazon cut the price of the Wii U by a bit, so I'm sure that's helping numbers as well.

Sales ranking is the number of sold units in comparison to other products (I believe it's compared to other products in the same category). I checked it up and the sales from Amazon UK has increased by 129% so it's nowhere as drastic as stated in the thread title. It's also only the sales from one store, not for the console as a whole.

So, as I suspected reading through the thread from start to finish, this jump is not as marked as people were claiming, or the OP claims?

I mean, Its still a big win. A hell of a win. Big jumps in sales make people happy. But a product like a console jumping 875% in sales over a period is rather... Unbelievable. I mean, How many have actually sold so far?

Hell, I will put this more simply:

How many of the gamers here in the UK know ANYONE with a WiiU? I am on campus and in a gaming society, with a small link to the other gaming society (We got a generic gamer soc and an eSports soc) and I know NOBODY who owns a WiiU. Nobody at all. Its an important question to ask but seriously, is the WiiU in the same running as the Xbone or the PS4?

Last generation I only knew one gamer with a Wii, he had it along side a 360. I know the Wii sold far more, but again, I think its catering to a totally different market.

I guess in my eyes a jump in WiiU sales being followed by people going "Yeah! The Xbone has already failed! RAWR!" is equivalent to a jump in the sales of Toyota Corollas and people going "Yeah! Ferrari have failed!". Family console vs Gaming console.

Finally, another perspective on the Xbone features that nobody gives a damn about: My sister and her bloke do not have the cash for a high end super tv. So they use the xbox for 4oD and they use my Lovefilm account on it. Smart TV's are not as prevalent as people seem to think (I have seen ONE.) and for some, the idea of the Xbone doing the things that a smart TV does is actually pretty appealing. They do not own an iPad between them, there is one smart phone in the house (My sisters, she needs email on the go as an academic), this idea that every household is full to the brim of iPads, iPhones, smart-tv's and whatnot just is not as true as people seem to think.

Wow, that has got to TLDR territory;

tldr; Thread title is missleading, the WiiU selling more might be down to the Xbone but I highly doubt it, the Xbone is not as shit as everyone seems to think. Even as a PC gamer I can see the appeal of the Xbone. There will probably be one in our house next year. I wonder how well it will work when rigged up to a high-fidelity projector.

EDIT:

had a mini think and got some questions:

Do people seriously believe that everyone has a Smart TV? I know some of my mates around Manchester/Salford would jump at the Xbone because they like gaming on consoles (Cheaper/easier then PC gaming, at least to set up) and they cannot afford a new TV. The xbone fills that niche quiet nicely. Frankly, this bounces back to Jims complaints and makes them utterly worthless.

Rich people will not give a damn if their Xbone does what their TV does, they will get one if they want a console anyway. People who are on less will find it much more tempting because it will do the shit their TV does not currently do. My sister her bloke, my friends in Salford.

Just trying to say that the Xbone is not the lame duck that people seem to think it is. Yet. Hell, I am saying this even with no interest in owning one, I am a PC gamer through and through. Just one that tries to avoid bandwagons.

If you need me I will be in the corner, trying to explain why DICE getting hold of Battlefront is a good thing and, objectively, EA might not be the worst company in human history.

 

[Lilani]

Well, that's all kinds of hilarious.

I am currently imagining little Japanese executive types rolling about on the floor laughing.

And this is the image that will keep me going through nine hours of work and two hours of driving in the dark afterward. Thank you very much

 

[Yopaz]

So, as I suspected reading through the thread from start to finish, this jump is not as marked as people were claiming, or the OP claims?

I mean, Its still a big win. A hell of a win. Big jumps in sales make people happy. But a product like a console jumping 875% in sales over a period is rather... Unbelievable. I mean, How many have actually sold so far?

I'm not sure how the sales statistics work, but depending the information might be on yesterday's sales versus today's sales meaning the information is completely useless. It could also mean that more people bought from Amazon than from other retailers and that the sales have actually decreased overall.

I own a Wii U and I want it to succeed so I honestly wanted this to hold any merit, but as I checked out the source material it was clear that it was mostly bogus. The article doesn't cite any other references than the Amazon site which is being updated as the sales are in (putting the increase in rank on a solid 2187.5% using their way of calculating). It doesn't offer any evidence that it actually was ranked at 390 though.

Honestly I'd say this looks like a deliberate attempt at misleading people by throwing out large numbers and hoping they don't actually want any references. For Nintendo fanboys this is great. For people who actually read the article not so much.

Edit: misread the Amazon information. Sales rank is still 40, but it claims that the previous sales rank was 104. That places the increase at 400%. Sales are still just 129% up though.

 

[RJ 17]

Looks like my initial reaction to the XBone reveal - "This thing is going to go the way of the Dreamcast" - is looking to hold true. :3

 

[Requia]

Guys it's not 875% increase in SALES. It's just an 875% increase of it's Amazon ranking. The title is VERY misleading. The sales number hadn't jumped up by 875%- only its popularity on Amazon had.

OP please change the title and read the article again.

Huh? There's been no increase in sales rank, the sales rank has *decreased* by 90%. Whole damned thread is full of shit that makes me want to start slapping math teachers for letting people graduate middle school.

The 875% (currently listed as another 160% since yesterday, apparently interest is still going up). Is an increase in the stuff Amazon uses to calculate sales rank.

That said, the increase isn't necessarily sales (as demonstrated by Earthbound being up 2000% despite pre orders not being open for it yet) so this could also be a crapload of people wish listing it, or whatever else Amazon uses to figure out interest in a product.

Edit: fixed math.

 

[yamy]

Guys it's not 875% increase in SALES. It's just an 875% increase of it's Amazon ranking. The title is VERY misleading. The sales number hadn't jumped up by 875%- only its popularity on Amazon had.

OP please change the title and read the article again.

Huh? There's been no increase in sales rank, the sales rank has *decreased* by 95%. Whole damned thread is full of shit that makes me want to start slapping math teachers for letting people graduate middle school.

The 875% (currently listed as another 160% since yesterday, apparently interest is still going up). Is an increase in the stuff Amazon uses to calculate sales rank.

That said, the increase isn't necessarily sales (as demonstrated by Earthbound being up 2000% despite pre orders not being open for it yet) so this could also be a crapload of people wish listing it, or whatever else Amazon uses to figure out interest in a product.

Yeah whatever my point was just to point out that contrary to the thread title there had no not been a massive increase in sales, just that it had gotten more popular on Amazon (which could possibly include anything from checking the WiiU page to wish-listing). I have no idea how the Amazon ranking works, nor do I care about the maths behind it. I'm sure if I wanted I could've worked out the maths. The only thing I care is that there had not been a 875% increase in sales yesterday.

 

[Yopaz]

Guys it's not 875% increase in SALES. It's just an 875% increase of it's Amazon ranking. The title is VERY misleading. The sales number hadn't jumped up by 875%- only its popularity on Amazon had.

OP please change the title and read the article again.

Huh? There's been no increase in sales rank, the sales rank has *decreased* by 95%. Whole damned thread is full of shit that makes me want to start slapping math teachers for letting people graduate middle school.

The 875% (currently listed as another 160% since yesterday, apparently interest is still going up). Is an increase in the stuff Amazon uses to calculate sales rank.

That said, the increase isn't necessarily sales (as demonstrated by Earthbound being up 2000% despite pre orders not being open for it yet) so this could also be a crapload of people wish listing it, or whatever else Amazon uses to figure out interest in a product.

Well since the highest possible rank is 1 then it's technically correct to say that the rank increases when it goes from 2 to 1.

I do agree that there's a horrible use of math and statistics here, but could you explain how you got the 95% decrease?

 

[Requia]

Well since the highest possible rank is 1 then it's technically correct to say that the rank increases when it goes from 2 to 1.

I do agree that there's a horrible use of math and statistics here, but could you explain how you got the 95% decrease?

90%, I used the wrong figures initially. 40 is ~10% of 390 (where it used to be), so the number dropped 90%.

However, on further review, it seems Amazon is the one fucking the math up first, the others were right, 390/40 is 9.75, that translated to 875%.

 

[Something Amyss]

Isn't it too early to tell? I'm no console gamer, but to me the Xbox One doesn't look as bad as people make it out to be. WiiU sales were pretty bad at the start but as we can see they picked up, I think we should give all machines a chance, they may bounce back with that must-have title.

Wii U sales were dropping before this point. They're only going up now because of the disappointment in the X Bone by comparison. Since Microsoft's the last to announce, it's going to be hard to replicate that "success."

 

[The White Hunter]

...Sonic games co-developed by Nintendo...

HOLY CRAP, HAVE YOU SEEN THE LATEST TEASER IMAGE?!

You can't see much of them but from what you can, they remind me a lot of Koopalings, especially their spiky wrist...things. The one in the Middle could be a Bowser variation and the one roundish one looks like Big the Cat if it was an evil general in the Koopa Army. I want this game yesterday!

I'd also love to see a new Panzer Dragoon...and a 3DS Space Channel 5...and a new Jet Grind game. What I meant by the Shenmue III thing is, they could announce that alone and win E3 this year. Announcing anything else would be overkill. Oh and before I forget: I would love to see a new Power Stone. That too would auto-win E3 2013.

Yeah I saw that, they look like Rayman characters and I'm kind of concerned they're gonna be some kind of obnoxious friend characters, which I really don't want unless they're like Yacker in Colours and their only expressions are animation. None the less they could prove me wrong, I just don't want more needless characters, I'd also like Tails and Knuckles playable, without any stupid walker or treasure hunting.

And for them to use Mighty again, and the Chaotix lore from the comics maybe. But then most of what I just said is likely just a delusion. BUt i can dream damn it!

Power Stonew ould be friggin awesome, I've still not played Space Channel 5, I actually don't really like Jet Set Radio, controls a touch like arse...

Maybe a new Phantasy Star?