j-e-f-f-e-r-s said:
Mr F. said:
Finally, another perspective on the Xbone features that nobody gives a damn about: My sister and her bloke do not have the cash for a high end super tv. So they use the xbox for 4oD and they use my Lovefilm account on it. Smart TV's are not as prevalent as people seem to think (I have seen ONE.) and for some, the idea of the Xbone doing the things that a smart TV does is actually pretty appealing. They do not own an iPad between them, there is one smart phone in the house (My sisters, she needs email on the go as an academic), this idea that every household is full to the brim of iPads, iPhones, smart-tv's and whatnot just is not as true as people seem to think.
If your sister and her boyfriend do not have the cash for a high end TV, and the 360 already covers them for Netflix, 4OD, Lovefilm, iPlayer, etc, then why on earth would they spend money on a Xbone? All it does is add voice control to those services they already have.
And the ability to play the next gen of games. Mikie and James waited a while to buy the 360, they would do the same for an Xbone. Your switch later on to stating that everything I was saying was a load of bollocks is interesting, I will address that further down. Essentially, I am pointing out that there is a market with people who do not have a smart TV and want to play the next gen of games.
The XBone is not an all-in-one device. You still need to have your DVR box, your freeview box, or what-have-you. So you're still going to have to be paying for your other TV/cable/Sky services, your Lovefilm account, your netflix account, etc. What on earth does the Xbone add that they feel it would make a valid purchase over the 360? NFL isn't a thing in the UK. All the media services you mention are already accessible. And the 360 has the advantage of not shitting on second-hand sales, and functions without being connected to the internet.
Yeah, Like I said, I am waiting to see what they offer for the UK market. I simply do not believe that Microsoft would be so retarded as to try and pitch NFL to the Eurocrowd, I am fully expecting some form of deal with Sky or some shit with regards to sport, I am waiting to see what their line up with regards to England and the UK.
Wait and see.
Seriously, there is no niche for this thing.
You think that, lots of people think that, I do not really agree. I think its a bandwagon right now. Seriously. I see a market, you don't, great! However, I think Microsofts market research > People on this site. I am trying to be balanced, having no form of feeling either way, I do not own an Xbox or PS3, I never have, last console I owned was a PS1.
Do people seriously believe that everyone has a Smart TV?
No, but if people are looking to spend money to upgrade, why wouldn't they just buy a Smart TV? Rather than buying an external box you have to plug into your other external boxes and pay Microsoft a monthly fee to do the same thing?
Because they want to be able to play the next generation of games and do not see the point in a smart TV by itself when they can essentially turn their current TV into a smart TV and play the next generation of Xbone games.
I know some of my mates around Manchester/Salford would jump at the Xbone because they like gaming on consoles (Cheaper/easier then PC gaming, at least to set up) and they cannot afford a new TV. The xbone fills that niche quiet nicely. Frankly, this bounces back to Jims complaints and makes them utterly worthless.
Lets say you have 400 pounds a year to spend on entertainment shit. Buy new Xbone, buy some games, contratulations. Or you could buy a Smart TV, with limited use, blah blah blah. From looking at it, I think that an xbone is better then a smart TV. More expensive? Yeah. But again, it looks like there could be a market which is being ignored for "XBONE EVIL CAUSE THEY DIDN'T GO ON ABOUT NEW LINEUP. When the PS3 was released it didn't have a stellar lineup, the lineup was built up later.
Reading this, I decided to go to Google Shopping and see how much I could get a Smart TV for. The first one listed was for £350, about the price of a new games console. The second one listed, a 22" Samsung, was £192. The one underneath that, a Toshiba, was £185.
You can see for yourself here.
To be quite frank, it seems like you're talking a load of bollocks. If someone doesn't have the money for a Smart TV, then they are not going to have the money for an Xbone. It's as simple as that. Smart Tvs are are now cheaper than the Xbone could eever hope to be at launch.
No, just pointing out the other side of the argument. Look, If someone doesn't want a Smart TV but wants a new console, this fills their niche. It does a fucktonne of stuff, Blah blah blah, You think I am talking bollocks, I think I am talking to other people and thinking outside of the box for 30 seconds.
Rich people will not give a damn if their Xbone does what their TV does, they will get one if they want a console anyway.
No, it's increasingly looking like they'll get a PS4, a Wii U or a Steambox. [/quote] Maybe so, I still think we should wait to see what actual sales figures are instead of going from one article that made false claims about the WiiU sales going up over eight times.
People who are on less will find it much more tempting because it will do the shit their TV does not currently do. My sister her bloke, my friends in Salford.
Again, if they can't afford a £185 Smart Tv, they can't afford an Xbone.
Or maybe they can afford say, 400 pounds over the course of a year to spend on entertainment so paying whatever for the new Xbone (Whatever it costs when it comes down) is a sounder investment than a new Smart TV for the hell of it. Sorry, but just because you can buy a Smart TV that can do what an Xbone can doesn't mean that everyone who was tempted by the xbone will go out and buy a Smart TV and a PS4/WiiU. Some people would go for that.
Just trying to say that the Xbone is not the lame duck that people seem to think it is. Yet. Hell, I am saying this even with no interest in owning one, I am a PC gamer through and through. Just one that tries to avoid bandwagons.
Speaking of bandwagons, how's hopping on that NFL bandwagon going to work out for Microsoft here in the UK do you reckon? You know, the UK with almost zero interest in American Football?[/quote]
Well, I assume, as I said, they will try and pitch other things. Seriously. Microsoft might not be that brilliant, but they are not insane.
