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Carnagath

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In my opinion you should never openly hit on girls that have friendzoned you or on girls that are part of your close social circle, it will most likely make your whole life an embarrassing hell. You should flirt with them a bit, catch them off guard, see how they react, and if they pretend like nothing happened you should just drop it.
 

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Chancie said:
So I'd like to know:
Why can't some guys handle/accept that boundary line?
Because it is extraordinarily difficult. Every single cell in your body screams that you should be endeavouring to find a mate, especially during your mid-late teens and early twenties.

I didn't try to kick them out of my life. I wasn't mean. I just simply said "I don't want to date you but I still want to be friends." As simple as that. And yet, they can't handle the idea.
If the male in question really wants you then there is no chance of friendship. The kindest thing to do is to tell him what a great guy he is then send him on his way. Anything else will just cause him jealousy and pain - especially if you are with someone else at the time.

We can't control what we feel. We can control our responses to our feelings, but the feelings themselves will not be confined.
 

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Chancie said:
Ok, for you guys that are here, I have an honest question for you.

I've had a few guy friends that I've known for a while but when they bring the idea of dating me and I tell them no and that I don't see them that way, they slowly start to disconnect themselves and stop talking to me altogether.

So I'd like to know:
Why can't some guys handle/accept that boundary line?

I didn't try to kick them out of my life. I wasn't mean. I just simply said "I don't want to date you but I still want to be friends." As simple as that. And yet, they can't handle the idea.
I don't understand and I know I'm not the only girl this has happened to. Even if you're good friends, the moment you reject their idea of dating you, they suddenly decide not to be friends anymore.

They were capable of just "being a friend" before they asked. I don't get why they can't after. A lot of girls are ok with it. Why can't guys see it the same way?
Like I said, it's an honest question. I'm not trying to sound like a whiny ***** and I apologize if I do.
Because when you realise you like them in that way, and it doesn't go any further, most of the time it's just too weird going back to the friend stage. Since they want to be more than friends but it'll never be like that, they have no qualms just breaking it off altogether.
 

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It's not embarrassment - it's not to fucking torture yourself.

If I ask a girl out, it's not just some vapid passing fancy, it's because I feel VERY strongly and passionately about her. If she says no... then what? My feeling don't magically fucking disappear, they're still around and I know there's no possible chance of my hopes and dreams of a future with that person coming to fruition. That just leads to a miserable spiral of depression where you sit there every day laughing and spending time with them, all the while knowing you simply can't have the life you want with that person.

It's fucking torture, and it's best to be avoided.
Very much this. You've hit the nail on the head, good sir.

The thing is, I made the very mistake of torturing myself like this for about 2 years, and we actually managed to make it back to really good friends; we've established our boundaries and it works!
Seriously, though, I'm not willing to put myself through this kind of torture ever again.
 

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AC10 said:
It's not embarrassment - it's not to fucking torture yourself.

If I ask a girl out, it's not just some vapid passing fancy, it's because I feel VERY strongly and passionately about her. If she says no... then what? My feeling don't magically fucking disappear, they're still around and I know there's no possible chance of my hopes and dreams of a future with that person coming to fruition. That just leads to a miserable spiral of depression where you sit there every day laughing and spending time with them, all the while knowing you simply can't have the life you want with that person.

It's fucking torture, and it's best to be avoided.
I could scarcely put it better. I'm in the middle of staring down that spiral at the moment.
 

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Embarassment and awkwardness I guess. Can anyone tell me why female friends generally don't think of thier guy friends "like that".
 

Cody211282

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Chancie said:
Ok, for you guys that are here, I have an honest question for you.

I've had a few guy friends that I've known for a while but when they bring the idea of dating me and I tell them no and that I don't see them that way, they slowly start to disconnect themselves and stop talking to me altogether.

So I'd like to know:
Why can't some guys handle/accept that boundary line?

I didn't try to kick them out of my life. I wasn't mean. I just simply said "I don't want to date you but I still want to be friends." As simple as that. And yet, they can't handle the idea.
I don't understand and I know I'm not the only girl this has happened to. Even if you're good friends, the moment you reject their idea of dating you, they suddenly decide not to be friends anymore.

They were capable of just "being a friend" before they asked. I don't get why they can't after. A lot of girls are ok with it. Why can't guys see it the same way?
Like I said, it's an honest question. I'm not trying to sound like a whiny ***** and I apologize if I do.
Because they only became friends to date you, they didn't reilize they were getting a one way ticket to the friend zone i guess. Personaly I have friends that are girls but I make sure they are people I would never date just so this doesn't come up. It's sorta how after a couple breaks up the guy doesnt want to still "be friends" it just doesn't work for a guy like that. sorry
 

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Chancie said:
They were capable of just "being a friend" before they asked.
I'll bet you all the money in the world that they were trying to get with you the whole time. Guys very rarely see girls as just friends. I don't think I've ever had a legitimate female friend that I didn't secretly want to date.
 

wizzerd229

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well, they feel some awkwardness around you now, i asked a friend girl out, and she said no, i didn't disconnect from her because i don't care about awkward, but i can sense it
 

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You may have to come to terms with the thought that the only reason some of them were ever friends with you is because they eventually wanted to sleep with you. Realize also that this reflects on their character, not necessarily on yours.

But unless you're seriously smokin' hot, that probably only accounts for a small number of them. An alternative is much more likely. Even guys who have an earnest interest in you as a person may not even realize that there is a boundary to accept- that there isn't any difference from liking them as a friend and liking them as a boyfriend, and that the latter is just a greater degree of the former, not a different category entirely. That's certainly the way most men feel about women, myself included.

You see this all the time in relationships: two people that have had a healthy platonic relationship seek a deeper one, and then things become 'complicated,' usually because the guy is still acting like just a very good friend, to the consternation of the girl.... who has entered full-on relationship mode, to the consternation of the guy.

This is why women think their men don't care and don't want to commit, and why men think their women have changed overnight and gone insane.

So when you tell them you don't want to be their girlfriend, to you you're telling them that their just not in that category. To them, you're saying you don't value them as much as they value you. And, intentional or not, that's the kind of stigma that can quickly destroy any relationship.

So please don't think this is just a case of guys being shallow or insensitive; it's likely the opposite that is true. Once one of your friends start to feel that they've been 'rejected' by you, they'll start questioning what it is about themselves that you saw as unsuitable or inferior, or they'll feel that you're only friends with them for your own sake, not for the sake of both of you. And in a world that only values men for their competence and strength, no man will stand for being made to feel inferior, or for being used. If we think this is the case, true or not, we're out the door.

I really don't have any advice for what you should do differently or how to evoke a different response. That depends on your specific relationships with your specific friends. Hopefully, understanding how they feel a little more clearly already does most of that work for you. But even knowing that it is very, very difficult to overcome these reflexes- even just coming out and saying directly that these things aren't the case will usually elicit the feeling that you're covering for yourself before the fact, which adds the added feeling of being lied to. And the reason it is difficult to avoid these kinds of responses is because most guys don't understand them themselves. And if you tried explaining them, they'd think you thought they were stupid and shallow, sparing neither of you any grief.

If all else fails, wait for a light rain and hold a boombox above your head outside their window. If that doesn't work, nothing will.
 

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Chancie said:
Ok, for you guys that are here, I have an honest question for you.
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They were capable of just "being a friend" before they asked. I don't get why they can't after. A lot of girls are ok with it. Why can't guys see it the same way?(...)
After asking you out and get rejected they'd probably feel really awkward hanging out with you. (That's what I'd feel.) And then when they start to disconnect themselves it's not only because they feel awkward but also because they're projecting their feelings onto you. (That's what I'd do/think.) So they think it's what you both want.
- I was surprised when you honestly asked this, I thought you knew and didn't want to talk about it.
 

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What about the possibility that it creates a considerable sexual tension and therefore leads to an unbearable sexual frustration ?
 

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Chancie said:
Ok, for you guys that are here, I have an honest question for you.

I've had a few guy friends that I've known for a while but when they bring the idea of dating me and I tell them no and that I don't see them that way, they slowly start to disconnect themselves and stop talking to me altogether.

So I'd like to know:
Why can't some guys handle/accept that boundary line?

I didn't try to kick them out of my life. I wasn't mean. I just simply said "I don't want to date you but I still want to be friends." As simple as that. And yet, they can't handle the idea.
I don't understand and I know I'm not the only girl this has happened to. Even if you're good friends, the moment you reject their idea of dating you, they suddenly decide not to be friends anymore.

They were capable of just "being a friend" before they asked. I don't get why they can't after. A lot of girls are ok with it. Why can't guys see it the same way?
Like I said, it's an honest question. I'm not trying to sound like a whiny ***** and I apologize if I do.
Okay read the entire thread, there are some very good and accurate points, and as a guy going through this right now I can state it from my own perspective something that has not been said, but something I am keenly aware of.

The perception of you changes, when some one is "in love" or has a "crush" on another person they are prepared to overlook alot of that person's faults, with the... premise that they will eventually go out with you shattered, they notice all the small things that annoy them.

I've not personally found it overwhelming and the girl and I are still good friends, I've even met her boyfriend. However, for some people it could be much easier to simply cut loose as has been mentioned above.
 

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Chancie said:
Ok, for you guys that are here, I have an honest question for you.

I've had a few guy friends that I've known for a while but when they bring the idea of dating me and I tell them no and that I don't see them that way, they slowly start to disconnect themselves and stop talking to me altogether.

So I'd like to know:
Why can't some guys handle/accept that boundary line?

I didn't try to kick them out of my life. I wasn't mean. I just simply said "I don't want to date you but I still want to be friends." As simple as that. And yet, they can't handle the idea.
I don't understand and I know I'm not the only girl this has happened to. Even if you're good friends, the moment you reject their idea of dating you, they suddenly decide not to be friends anymore.

They were capable of just "being a friend" before they asked. I don't get why they can't after. A lot of girls are ok with it. Why can't guys see it the same way?
Like I said, it's an honest question. I'm not trying to sound like a whiny ***** and I apologize if I do.
I don't know if they were able to be friends. I was in a similar situation before, and I asked a girl out, she said friends. So i sat around, and realized i started to go insane. I had to watch what i said, so that i never referred to me asking her out because it would be awkward or spiteful. I had to watch what i did, so that she wouldn't think that i still liked her, even though i did. I had to watch what she did, thinking that maybe eventually she would have reconsidered.

Before, she saw my attempts and whatnot as simply being friends, so she assumed that i would be able to handle it, but I wasn't. Its not that I don't want to be friends, its the fact that i can't ever see the girl of my dreams and think "well, this is this amazing person for me, and people tell me that we would be great together even now, but i just have to sit here patiently and with no hope?" God no, i am going to go insane.

So its not the fact of they cant be friends after you said no, its that they never were friends and could see you that way, if they truly cared about you.
 

JulBok

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Someone here mentioned the differing ways that guys and girls think about relationships and friendships, and I think that they hit the nail on the head. This obviously isn't true for everyone, but from personal experience, it seems that to guys the "relationship" stage is merely an escalated version of normal friendship. We don't think of the two as completely separate categories. For me, the reason I wanted my best friend to be my girlfriend was for precisely that reason. This is a simplistic way of looking at it, but she's my best friend, and since she's female, I'm also attracted to her. When I combine those two things, I get someone that I already know very well and am very close to, so why wouldn't I want her as more than a friend?

However, she thinks of me as one of her "friends", and since we're so close she doesn't think it would work if we took it any further. Essentially, she didn't want a relationship for the same reason I did want one.