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Oerba Dia Vanille from Final Fantasy XIII.

This character, along with Snow Villiers (who is completely useless in every way possible) and Hope's personality for the first half of the game, were some of the absolute worst things about Final Fantasy XIII.


Seriously, they should have just let her go.

In terms of characterization, or lack there of, she is simply the stereotypical girl that wants to run away from her problems and not own up to her mistakes/responsibilities. Her only epiphany in the entire game is that she can't run away forever and still promptly refuses to own up to anything (until the end of the game when she and Fang sacrifice themselves). I was actually happy that she was gone at the end and sad that Fang, probably the best character in the game, had to go along with her.

Her appearance is nothing to really talk about either; stuck between school girl and fan service, it just makes her seem more immature than she should be. Also, her voice is so damn annoying. I wish I could stress this out more, but I cannot stand her voice.

For combat, she's easily interchangeable. She is defaulted as the Healer (or Medic paradigm), so naturally, she should be useful. Only everyone can become a Medic and having your characters switch to an all Medic group, or a Sentry-Medic strategy, will also do the trick. Okay, so maybe she could be a Ravager? Nope, Hope's the best Ravager in the game, plus Lightning and Sazh also serve as great Ravagers. Along with Snow, there is no point in having her in your party so long as you have Fang and Hope.
actually, if you take her limit break as an indicator, and the role that ONLY she can do for a good portion of the game, she's a saboteur. (also, for most of the game, only hope, vanille, and lightning can heal, and she is by far the best of the three, gaining access to curasa and curaja FAR earlier than hope (and lightning doesn't get them at all) (plus, even if you are telling me you grinded the few hundred thousand CP to make the other characters healers, she is still one of the best, since only her and hope are magic foused, everyone else focuses on STR except lightning who is balanced)

and an ungodly powerful one at that, she's the only character that can kill an adamantoise before the post-game thanks to that limit break, Death has a flat 1% chance to instakill an enemy that isn't immune to it, and increases by 1% per debuff on the target. Fang can debuff with slow, curse, deshell, deprotect, imperil, fog, pain, and daze, boosting that chance to 9% PER TURN. then you add vanille's saboteur bonus boosting the success rate of her spells, and the boost from the belladonna/malboro wand and she becomes INCREDIBLY overpowered.

oh, and adamantoises give you about 20x the CP of anything else at that level (and about 5-10x the endgame stuff) with a chance of dropping a platinum bar (sells for 150k gil, in a game where 10k before postgame is considered a fortune) or a trapezeohedron, an upgrade mat to create the ultimate weapons, which other than dropping from adamantoises, can only be bought for TWO MILLION GIL.

so yeah, she may be annoying, but christ, I can forgive that when she has about a 15% chance to kill an enemy with a FEW MILLION HP IN ONE HIT when the rest of your party is hitting in the region of thousands (oh and said enemies can oneshot the whole party within 5 seconds of starting the fight if you don't instantly summon hecatonchier), and as a reward give you 40k CP in an area where enemies give you 2k, and the chance of getting either 150k gil or an item worth 2M gil and give you access to ultimate weapons before finishing the game



as for snow, he's THE tank, he's the only character who can break 10k HP without using items before beating the final boss, far from useless (and good luck fighting neochu without either using snow to tank it's single target hits or vanille to abuse instant death)

and goddamnit, why do people have such a problem with hope for being a whiny ***** for the first part of the game? he just fled from being exiled to what people believed was basically hell, just watched his mother die, got turned into something that for most of his life believed was pure evil (because an insane girl convinced him to grow a pair and try and confront the guy who put his mother in danger) and given a choice of either "destroy the world or turn into a soulless yet still aware and horribly tormented husk", whilst being forced to flee for his life from the army and teamed up with the person who he believes got his mother killed (and said person's personality flaw is that he hides his own pain by being overly cheerful, giving the impression that he doesn't give a shit about hope's mother's death). All because he was in the wrong place at the wrong time (on holiday in bodhum with his mother). and he's doing all this as a 14 year old boy who just feels like dead weight when the only people he has left as allies are a highly trained soldier, a rebel leader, an insane australian lesbian who has taken to it all incredibly well, and a guy who at least seems fairly competent.

all in the space of about 2 hours. (it's actually mentioned by lightning near the end of the game "it's certainly been a week", and since it is nighttime by the time the party reaches the vile peaks, it implies that about half a day has passed (it was daytime in the cutscene where lightning and sazh free the people on the train)

I'd LOVE to see anyone calling hope a whiny ***** go through all that in that short amount of time when THEY were 14, my reaction when fang revealed that the cie'th countdown speeds up the more stressed you are was "holy shit, how did hope not go cie'th instantly?"
 

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Ben from the walking dead season 1, especially during his "I make dumbass mistakes that caused several peoples deaths but my family is dead so feel sorry for me" comment.

I was glad to let him drop.
Spoilers for The Walking Dead Season 1

Wow, that's a pretty harsh treatment of a kid who is just a bit of a scared idiot during a zombie apocalypse. He didn't set out to hurt people, he was just scared.
Sorry, but I don't buy that. Sure, a few things are understandable, but the sheer CONSISTENCY with which he got people killed/in danger just makes me angry. He did EVERYTHING wrong. I have no sympathy for the kid - the two things that take the cake are probably "hey, let's take this axe that clearly holds that door shut in a place where zombies might come in!" and "hey, I feel so bad about Kenny's family, I should tell him RIGHT NOW that I am to blame!" even though it is the WORST possible moment ever. I mean, seriously, Ben, you could have done this whenever. Before the mission. After the mission. But noooo, you needed to tell him at exactly the moment in time when it might have gotten us all killed. You were able to suppress your moral conscience before this, couldn't you do it just one more hour? No, you NEEDED to tell him right now, because YOU feel bad.
Just so much of his behaviour is about how HE feels, what HE needs.

It's not that he's scared and stupid, it's that he is ALWAYS scared and stupid.
Didn't let the guy die, though. After all the bullshit he did, I thought "well it would be a waste now to let him die, maybe he learned his damn lesson".
*More Telltale Walking Dead game spoilers*

I always felt that he realised he had done wrong afterwards though. He was always filled with regret and apologising and such.

He was partly there to cause these massive troubles to advance the story, but I always felt sorry for him. I mean he even asks you to let him die, because he feels like a liability and says he always fails by making the wrong choice.

I saw it as one of those 'logistical' decisions that the more rational approach people would take (and let him die) - under the assumption that letting him die would cause less harm than letting him live, but that's just not me.

It's a pretty sad existence, but I couldn't kill him for being a well-intentioned moron.
 

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Ubiquitous Duck said:
Mersadeon said:
Ubiquitous Duck said:
Corven said:
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*More Telltale Walking Dead game spoilers*

I always felt that he realised he had done wrong afterwards though. He was always filled with regret and apologising and such.

He was partly there to cause these massive troubles to advance the story, but I always felt sorry for him. I mean he even asks you to let him die, because he feels like a liability and says he always fails by making the wrong choice.

I saw it as one of those 'logistical' decisions that the more rational approach people would take (and let him die) - under the assumption that letting him die would cause less harm than letting him live, but that's just not me.

It's a pretty sad existence, but I couldn't kill him for being a well-intentioned moron.
Yeah, he always regretted it afterwards and apologised, right before he went of to do the next awful thing.
Don't get me wrong, if I were in the apocalypse, I'd not fare as well as Lee and some of the others. But a lot of the time Ben willfully does things that he KNOWS are going to bite him and others in the ass. But I see your point.

On that note, Lilly. God damn it felt good to leave her behind (I know that she survived and entered the show or something, but I don't care - in my head she died in that forest). Seriously, she is the kind of person I absolutely hate - I would rather let a guilty man go than imprison an innocent. She would rather kill an innocent in the middle of a conversation than stay calm and reasonable. Sure there was a lot of yelling on all sides, but she just blew every sympathy I had for her by flat out killing someone for being a suspect.
(And of course, it turned out to be Ben's fault.)
 

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Mersadeon said:
Ubiquitous Duck said:
Mersadeon said:
Ubiquitous Duck said:
Corven said:
[...]
*More Telltale Walking Dead game spoilers*

I always felt that he realised he had done wrong afterwards though. He was always filled with regret and apologising and such.

He was partly there to cause these massive troubles to advance the story, but I always felt sorry for him. I mean he even asks you to let him die, because he feels like a liability and says he always fails by making the wrong choice.

I saw it as one of those 'logistical' decisions that the more rational approach people would take (and let him die) - under the assumption that letting him die would cause less harm than letting him live, but that's just not me.

It's a pretty sad existence, but I couldn't kill him for being a well-intentioned moron.
Yeah, he always regretted it afterwards and apologised, right before he went of to do the next awful thing.
Don't get me wrong, if I were in the apocalypse, I'd not fare as well as Lee and some of the others. But a lot of the time Ben willfully does things that he KNOWS are going to bite him and others in the ass. But I see your point.

On that note, Lilly. God damn it felt good to leave her behind (I know that she survived and entered the show or something, but I don't care - in my head she died in that forest). Seriously, she is the kind of person I absolutely hate - I would rather let a guilty man go than imprison an innocent. She would rather kill an innocent in the middle of a conversation than stay calm and reasonable. Sure there was a lot of yelling on all sides, but she just blew every sympathy I had for her by flat out killing someone for being a suspect.
(And of course, it turned out to be Ben's fault.)
*More Telltale Walking Dead game spoilers*

That moment with Lilly I think was probably my most 'wtf' moment I've ever had in a game. My jaw physically dropped and I'm not the kind to have physical responses elicited from games. It just seemed such an overreaction to the situation and you had no control over the outcome, it just happened.

I didn't really blame Ben for that, as Lilly barely seemed to believe that Carley was guilty, but just murdered her anyway. It seemed like another one of those forced story progression moments, as it was just a heated argument, shouldn't really have ended like that.
 

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Garrus in Mass Effect I was so glad I got to kill that thing god he was annoying.
WHHHHHHAATTTTTTT??? Heathen! Be damned unto the final circle of the nine hells for your heinous blasphemy!

Ahem. But seriously he was my favorite character (maybe after Mordin anyway).
 

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On that note, Lilly. God damn it felt good to leave her behind (I know that she survived and entered the show or something, but I don't care - in my head she died in that forest). Seriously, she is the kind of person I absolutely hate - I would rather let a guilty man go than imprison an innocent. She would rather kill an innocent in the middle of a conversation than stay calm and reasonable. Sure there was a lot of yelling on all sides, but she just blew every sympathy I had for her by flat out killing someone for being a suspect.
(And of course, it turned out to be Ben's fault.)
The Lily in the game is a separate character to the Lily in the novels/comic and the TV show.

Telltale may have intended them to be the same person but Kirkman changed that when he wrote the novels.
 

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Ubiquitous Duck said:
Mersadeon said:
Ubiquitous Duck said:
Mersadeon said:
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*More Telltale Walking Dead game spoilers*

That moment with Lilly I think was probably my most 'wtf' moment I've ever had in a game. My jaw physically dropped and I'm not the kind to have physical responses elicited from games. It just seemed such an overreaction to the situation and you had no control over the outcome, it just happened.

I didn't really blame Ben for that, as Lilly barely seemed to believe that Carley was guilty, but just murdered her anyway. It seemed like another one of those forced story progression moments, as it was just a heated argument, shouldn't really have ended like that.
*Even more Telltale WD spoilers in this quote-ception*
It was really effective, though. I especially loved how they really got you through the interface - getting the "Carley will remember this" thing just half a second before Lilly shoots just makes it all the more suprising.
Well, overall, I don't blame Ben either. It's Lilly's fault, and I kinda hate the fact that they apperantly have her running around in the show. She was probably the one person where I really wanted my judgement to stick.
EDIT: Someone just told me it's not the same character. That's nice. I mean, I live in my headcanon anyway, but still.
 

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008Zulu said:
Kaiden from Mass Effect. I selected the option to ditch him so fast, I imagine that the rest of the crew thought "Wow, you didn't even let them finish the Choice sentence."
I went the other way, Ashley, wow xenophobic or what!
(and I know it's to do with her grandfather but there's a grudge then there's serious "their an alien, kick them off the ship"!)

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Garrus in Mass Effect I was so glad I got to kill that thing god he was annoying.
NOOOOOOOOOOOO!

 

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for me, miranda in ME2 suicide mission. i plan out that mission precisely so she dies, i can't stand her and her arrogance
God, I can't stand how arrogant she is. I can still remember the moment when it came to a head for me.

After you recruit Jack, when Miranda's giving her speech about who's in charge and she called herself my second-in-command. My first thought was "Lady, I picked up Garrus two missions ago, why would you be my number two ?" Unfortunately, there's nothing you can do to change it.


For me it's in Army of Two: Devils Cartel.
When Salem "died", I was quite pleased. I'd never liked him. Now I've never played the 2nd game, so maybe he's better there, but I hated him in the first one. The fact that he came back was annoying for about two seconds, then I realized it meant I could shoot him myself. Had an absolute blast with the game, even if Salem does survive.
 

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Every character ever I have to be in an uneasy alliance with but when I talk to them I immediately notice our differences will not be overcome by banter and friendship.
Like the guy from planescape mentioned above or the blue stripes guy from the witcher 2. Especially if the game makes it clear they intend to backstab me at some point but doesn't give me the option for my own backstabbing(kudos to the witcher in that regard)
 

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(and I know it's to do with her grandfather but there's a grudge then there's serious "their an alien, kick them off the ship"!)
With the right conversation choices, you can rid of her xenophobia. Can't make Kaiden change his voice.
 

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008Zulu said:
putowtin said:
(and I know it's to do with her grandfather but there's a grudge then there's serious "their an alien, kick them off the ship"!)
With the right conversation choices, you can rid of her xenophobia. Can't make Kaiden change his voice.
I don't want to change his voice.... hubba hubba! ;-)
 

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ok, probably not realla a spoiler as this happens less than 5 minutes into the game...

Brandon from Project Silpheed. He freaks out in a training mission, and is clearly marked as Dead Meat, and sure enough he's dead barely a minute after I said to myself 'he's not gonna last long'. Which makes all the crying the other team members about 'what a nice guy he was' during the mission that follows and its ending cutscene all the hilarious about how they try to make you care about someone you knew was a dead man walking.

Also, from the same game...

Raymond. Ok, I really liked his character, but ultimately his death was a pointless and silly cliche. I was sad to see him go, but more annoyed they killed him off that way.
 

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Spoilers about God of War 3 ahead...
Kratos at the end of God of War 3. In the entire game, he was just acting as a spoiled brat and a sociopath. At least in the first one he had a clear objective and a reasonable reason to hate the antagonist; but by 3, he just killed everyone and everything in his path, regardless of his agenda. The entire narrative of the game was build to make me relate to him, and root for him, but for the last half, I just rooted for the Olympians.

By the time he kills himself all I could think was "about time" (not that it helped at all, since he has already turned the entire planet into a barren land). Too bad the ending didn't stick. I should have guess the designers would take the coward's way out.
 

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Kratos at the end of God of War 3. In the entire game, he was just acting as a spoiled brat and a sociopath. At least in the first one he had a clear objective and a reasonable reason to hate the antagonist; but by 3, he just killed everyone and everything in his path, regardless of his agenda. The entire narrative of the game was build to make me relate to him, and root for him, but for the last half, I just rooted for the Olympians.

By the time he kills himself all I could think was "about time" (not that it helped at all, since he has already turned the entire planet into a barren land). Too bad the ending didn't stick. I should have guess the designers would take the coward's way out.
What do you mean by the 'coward's way out'? It was well established in GoW1 that killing someone is basically meaningless since they just end up in Hades. Which Kratos has visited after being killed. More than once. His suicide was like...death number seven or something.
 

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Iwata said:
So which characters were you most happy to see die/disappear in a game, despite the game trying its best to be all emotional and tragic about it?
Kai-Leng from Mass Effect 3 but for different reasons, because the game was trying to make him out to be this stone-cold killer badass that just doesn't give a fuck. Instead he came off to me as some whiny ***** that I shanked with glee the first chance I got(against a "No Renegade Actions" playthrough I might add).

Not only that, but that insufferable little prick introduced SPACE NINJAS to Mass Effect and was the template for that piece of shit overpowered petulant little prick, the Phantom. GOD I HATE THOSE FUCKERS! Shields and health WAY higher then what they should be for a 100lbs. woman? Check. An instant kill attack that breaks all lore in the game and it took a Geth Juggernaut to finally not be fearful of anymore? Check. An overpowered palm blaster that has unerring accuracy and virtually unparalleled damage when it was just supposed to be a harrying weapon? Check.

I hate those bitches and I hate Kai-Leng for being their progenitors and I was DAMN glad when I got to shove 8 inches of diamond hard, molten hot omni-gel blade into his guts.
 

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Ubiquitous Duck said:
Mersadeon said:
Ubiquitous Duck said:
Mersadeon said:
Ubiquitous Duck said:
Corven said:
[...]
*More Telltale Walking Dead game spoilers*

I always felt that he realised he had done wrong afterwards though. He was always filled with regret and apologising and such.

He was partly there to cause these massive troubles to advance the story, but I always felt sorry for him. I mean he even asks you to let him die, because he feels like a liability and says he always fails by making the wrong choice.

I saw it as one of those 'logistical' decisions that the more rational approach people would take (and let him die) - under the assumption that letting him die would cause less harm than letting him live, but that's just not me.

It's a pretty sad existence, but I couldn't kill him for being a well-intentioned moron.
Yeah, he always regretted it afterwards and apologised, right before he went of to do the next awful thing.
Don't get me wrong, if I were in the apocalypse, I'd not fare as well as Lee and some of the others. But a lot of the time Ben willfully does things that he KNOWS are going to bite him and others in the ass. But I see your point.

On that note, Lilly. God damn it felt good to leave her behind (I know that she survived and entered the show or something, but I don't care - in my head she died in that forest). Seriously, she is the kind of person I absolutely hate - I would rather let a guilty man go than imprison an innocent. She would rather kill an innocent in the middle of a conversation than stay calm and reasonable. Sure there was a lot of yelling on all sides, but she just blew every sympathy I had for her by flat out killing someone for being a suspect.
(And of course, it turned out to be Ben's fault.)
*More Telltale Walking Dead game spoilers*

That moment with Lilly I think was probably my most 'wtf' moment I've ever had in a game. My jaw physically dropped and I'm not the kind to have physical responses elicited from games. It just seemed such an overreaction to the situation and you had no control over the outcome, it just happened.

I didn't really blame Ben for that, as Lilly barely seemed to believe that Carley was guilty, but just murdered her anyway. It seemed like another one of those forced story progression moments, as it was just a heated argument, shouldn't really have ended like that.
I think that moment is far greater if you rescue Doug instead of Carley. Lilly just lays into Ben for being a dick and endangering the entire camp while everyone is trying to calm her down or just shouting. Doug's trying to be the voice of reason, asking everyone to calm down and when Lilly attempts to kill Ben, Doug pushes him out of the way and gets shot in the head instead, being a real hero, then making literally everyone rage at Lilly for being a totally horrible person.
 

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Iwata said:
So which characters were you most happy to see die/disappear in a game, despite the game trying its best to be all emotional and tragic about it?
Kai-Leng from Mass Effect 3 but for different reasons, because the game was trying to make him out to be this stone-cold killer badass that just doesn't give a fuck. Instead he came off to me as some whiny ***** that I shanked with glee the first chance I got(against a "No Renegade Actions" playthrough I might add).

Not only that, but that insufferable little prick introduced SPACE NINJAS to Mass Effect and was the template for that piece of shit overpowered petulant little prick, the Phantom. GOD I HATE THOSE FUCKERS! Shields and health WAY higher then what they should be for a 100lbs. woman? Check. An instant kill attack that breaks all lore in the game and it took a Geth Juggernaut to finally not be fearful of anymore? Check. An overpowered palm blaster that has unerring accuracy and virtually unparalleled damage when it was just supposed to be a harrying weapon? Check.

I hate those bitches and I hate Kai-Leng for being their progenitors and I was DAMN glad when I got to shove 8 inches of diamond hard, molten hot omni-gel blade into his guts.
"This is for Thane!"

(manly tears)
 

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Veldt Falsetto said:
Ubiquitous Duck said:
Mersadeon said:
Ubiquitous Duck said:
Mersadeon said:
Ubiquitous Duck said:
Corven said:
[...]
*More Telltale Walking Dead game spoilers*

I always felt that he realised he had done wrong afterwards though. He was always filled with regret and apologising and such.

He was partly there to cause these massive troubles to advance the story, but I always felt sorry for him. I mean he even asks you to let him die, because he feels like a liability and says he always fails by making the wrong choice.

I saw it as one of those 'logistical' decisions that the more rational approach people would take (and let him die) - under the assumption that letting him die would cause less harm than letting him live, but that's just not me.

It's a pretty sad existence, but I couldn't kill him for being a well-intentioned moron.
Yeah, he always regretted it afterwards and apologised, right before he went of to do the next awful thing.
Don't get me wrong, if I were in the apocalypse, I'd not fare as well as Lee and some of the others. But a lot of the time Ben willfully does things that he KNOWS are going to bite him and others in the ass. But I see your point.

On that note, Lilly. God damn it felt good to leave her behind (I know that she survived and entered the show or something, but I don't care - in my head she died in that forest). Seriously, she is the kind of person I absolutely hate - I would rather let a guilty man go than imprison an innocent. She would rather kill an innocent in the middle of a conversation than stay calm and reasonable. Sure there was a lot of yelling on all sides, but she just blew every sympathy I had for her by flat out killing someone for being a suspect.
(And of course, it turned out to be Ben's fault.)
*More Telltale Walking Dead game spoilers*

That moment with Lilly I think was probably my most 'wtf' moment I've ever had in a game. My jaw physically dropped and I'm not the kind to have physical responses elicited from games. It just seemed such an overreaction to the situation and you had no control over the outcome, it just happened.

I didn't really blame Ben for that, as Lilly barely seemed to believe that Carley was guilty, but just murdered her anyway. It seemed like another one of those forced story progression moments, as it was just a heated argument, shouldn't really have ended like that.
I think that moment is far greater if you rescue Doug instead of Carley. Lilly just lays into Ben for being a dick and endangering the entire camp while everyone is trying to calm her down or just shouting. Doug's trying to be the voice of reason, asking everyone to calm down and when Lilly attempts to kill Ben, Doug pushes him out of the way and gets shot in the head instead, being a real hero, then making literally everyone rage at Lilly for being a totally horrible person.
Wow, I didn't even know this was a possibility.

I was surprised when I found out you could bring Doug with you, because he was such a bland character in comparison to Carley and you could barely talk to him, when you first meet them, that I assumed he was the expendable that you weren't actually able to recruit to your team. I was weirded out when I learned that I could've brought him along, if I'd acted differently.

That sounds like a more believable encounter than the Lilly shooting Carley one, an accidental murder, rather than just outright shooting someone while arguing. Seemed a tad out of character for Lilly too, even if she was a bit crazy, I never thought she was such a casual murderer.

Maybe I should replay the game and try my hand in a different way!
 

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Ubiquitous Duck said:
Veldt Falsetto said:
Ubiquitous Duck said:
Mersadeon said:
Ubiquitous Duck said:
Mersadeon said:
Ubiquitous Duck said:
Corven said:
[...]
*More Telltale Walking Dead game spoilers*

I always felt that he realised he had done wrong afterwards though. He was always filled with regret and apologising and such.

He was partly there to cause these massive troubles to advance the story, but I always felt sorry for him. I mean he even asks you to let him die, because he feels like a liability and says he always fails by making the wrong choice.

I saw it as one of those 'logistical' decisions that the more rational approach people would take (and let him die) - under the assumption that letting him die would cause less harm than letting him live, but that's just not me.

It's a pretty sad existence, but I couldn't kill him for being a well-intentioned moron.
Yeah, he always regretted it afterwards and apologised, right before he went of to do the next awful thing.
Don't get me wrong, if I were in the apocalypse, I'd not fare as well as Lee and some of the others. But a lot of the time Ben willfully does things that he KNOWS are going to bite him and others in the ass. But I see your point.

On that note, Lilly. God damn it felt good to leave her behind (I know that she survived and entered the show or something, but I don't care - in my head she died in that forest). Seriously, she is the kind of person I absolutely hate - I would rather let a guilty man go than imprison an innocent. She would rather kill an innocent in the middle of a conversation than stay calm and reasonable. Sure there was a lot of yelling on all sides, but she just blew every sympathy I had for her by flat out killing someone for being a suspect.
(And of course, it turned out to be Ben's fault.)
*More Telltale Walking Dead game spoilers*

That moment with Lilly I think was probably my most 'wtf' moment I've ever had in a game. My jaw physically dropped and I'm not the kind to have physical responses elicited from games. It just seemed such an overreaction to the situation and you had no control over the outcome, it just happened.

I didn't really blame Ben for that, as Lilly barely seemed to believe that Carley was guilty, but just murdered her anyway. It seemed like another one of those forced story progression moments, as it was just a heated argument, shouldn't really have ended like that.
I think that moment is far greater if you rescue Doug instead of Carley. Lilly just lays into Ben for being a dick and endangering the entire camp while everyone is trying to calm her down or just shouting. Doug's trying to be the voice of reason, asking everyone to calm down and when Lilly attempts to kill Ben, Doug pushes him out of the way and gets shot in the head instead, being a real hero, then making literally everyone rage at Lilly for being a totally horrible person.
Wow, I didn't even know this was a possibility.

I was surprised when I found out you could bring Doug with you, because he was such a bland character in comparison to Carley and you could barely talk to him, when you first meet them, that I assumed he was the expendable that you weren't actually able to recruit to your team. I was weirded out when I learned that I could've brought him along, if I'd acted differently.

That sounds like a more believable encounter than the Lilly shooting Carley one, an accidental murder, rather than just outright shooting someone while arguing. Seemed a tad out of character for Lilly too, even if she was a bit crazy, I never thought she was such a casual murderer.

Maybe I should replay the game and try my hand in a different way!
I saved him by accident the first time assuming that Carley, being tougher and also having a gun in her hand and one zombie attacking her, could tough it out and I'd help her second. While I was wrong I ended up really loving Doug. He plays a more laid back, comic relief type role but is also liked by pretty much everyone in the camp and even steps up to the plate from time to time like the aforementioned heroic saving of Ben and even on the farm vs the St Johns he blinds one of them with a laser pointer for a few seconds giving Lee the chance to get away/attack/whatever. He's no action man but he's a well written, believable and generally pretty awesome character.