Anime, what a horrid little thing you've become.

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Kuchinawa212

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PurpleRain said:
The story basically went something like this:
In Japan, schools fight other schools for no reason. To fight you have to wear special earrings.
Stop, I know I must have been Ninja'd by now, but that's ikki tousen. How do I know? I saw a episode T^T Wah it was so terrible

But I do say you make a good argument. Some is good, some is just shit. It's hard to say all of it is bad
 

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bagodix said:
99% of people who have a problem with anime are the people who think it's a genre and that there are no anime movies (so movies from Ghibli and Mamoru Oshii etc. are not even factored in). Saying you don't like anime is a lot like saying you don't like movies, television or video games.


Foolishman1776 said:
Japanese Animu and Manga are no better than any other country's,
Where else in the world can you find the same quality and variety of animation? Nowhere. American animation consists of almost entirely of stuff aimed at children.

and their culture, other than being a hodgepodge of elements of other cultures, is no better than any other.
It's better than many other cultures (like, say, Afghanistan), because cultures aren't all equal. And what do you mean that Japanese culture is just a hodgepodge of other cultures? If you mean that it's been influenced by other cultures, then that's true for almost any culture. If you mean that it has no identity of its own, then that's just factually incorrect. It's a unique culture.
And you said what I was going to say better than I ever could. My hat's off to you, good (I presume) sir.

Really, while western animation certainly can be deep and varied, it usually is just for kids, animation age ghetto [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AnimationAgeGhetto] and all. Not that kids shows are bad (Tiny Toons Adventures was awesome), just that it's good to have plenty of more mature works.

Vault boy Eddie said:
Aren't all animes now about giant octopus with 100 penis tentacles raping a 5 year old schoolgirl?
No, and anyone who thinks so desperately needs to see good anime.
Unless you were joking, in which case carry on.
 

shadowyoasis

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I see it only scarcely mentioned but the OP should really, really, check out gungrave.

Its probably one of the best Anime's I've ever seen. It at no point has any half-naked panty shots. It does have great action scenes but it mostly has a deeply compelling story. It revolves around the bonds of friendship, family, and above all honor and betrayal. You really get to learn to love the characters even the main bad guy.

Brandon Heat is also one of the manliest men, and he doesn't have a sex-crazed love interest.
 

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Abedeus said:
I thought that while the second season wasn't as good as the first one, it had some epic moments especially by the end, episodes 22+.
See, episodes 22+ were where it all fell to bits, caught fire, and exploded. The confrontation with Emperor Curly was 22 minutes of incoherent nonsense ending with the biggest victory by authorial fiat that Lelouch ever pulled, and everything after that had the unmistakable scars of having huge swathes of plot chopped out because everything in R2 was rushed thanks to having to retell the first season again in 8 episodes at the start.
 

Therumancer

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To respond purely to the OP:

I notice that most of what you mention liking is serious anime, pretty much straight science fiction and fantasy type stuff that takes itself fairly seriously.

The series you describe is more of a comedy, or genere satire, and that kind of thing can be pretty hit or miss. I guess it depends on how heavily your into absurdism.

While something of an Anime fan I will also say that in previous years something had to be pretty good to make it to the US even as far as fansubs went. In more recent years we've seen a constant shoveling of stuff onto the US market, which means we get a lot of total garbage.

Concerns over censorship (since anime is no longer totally under the Radar) and also the domestic racism inherant in Japan (fans screaming to keep the best stuff for themselves as purely Japanese, and getting on the case of companies for selling out) also play a factor.

I haven't followed it in detail, in part because of how it began to disgust me (the industry, not the Anime itself), but back in the day I read a lot of translated periodicals having to do with Anime and Games. I've talked about Final Fantasy X and what I found in other posts, but I also learned that the question of "why doesn't this series make it to the US, and that other series that is relatively crappy does" does not have a straightforward answer. Behind all of the talk about liscensing, marketing research, costs of translation, and similar thing a lot of it basically comes down to the fact that the rights holders are concerned that simply by releasing something in the US they can ruin their fan base in Japan, and if there is associated merchandie involved (like Model Kits or whatever) the risks can be bigger than you think.

In the final equasion though, understand there are a LOT of differant generes of Anime, and just because you like one, does NOT mean your going to like them all. Like any other media even within a genere things vary greatly. Just because you like one British comedy for example does not mean you will like ALL British comedy. An absurdist super-high school satire like anything comes down to the writers and how WELL it's done. There are good ones, and bad ones... and yeah a bad one can very much be "WTF" coming down to nothing but a blur of school uniforms, nudity, and epic explosions, if nothing ties thoe things together, or the plotline doesn't capture your imagination, like anything else it's going to fail. On many occasions I've watched Anime (of various generes) and felt the same way. Bad is bad. You can take the best formula in the world, say "this works on paper" and then have it turn out awfully.
 

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Foolishman1776 said:
Japanese Animu and Manga are no better than any other country's,
Where else in the world can you find the same quality and variety of animation? Nowhere. American animation consists almost entirely of stuff aimed at children.[/quote]

Says the guy who never have seen (or read) the likes of the Heavy Metal series or it's many many spinoffs.
 

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I've read this thread before, and I haven't responded at the time, but here's my thoughts: PurpleRain, you were just led wrong by your friend. Ikki Tousen is NOT supposed to be the anime for the people who don't like anime in the first place. Maybe if you started on the more "serious" stuff (the likes of Ghost in the Shell and Death Note), maybe you'd have a different opinion.
 

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well i always wanted to watch an anime but i have limited band width and i don't know what channels play it around here. i also don't seem to have the attention span necesary to watch a ceral every week. plus i feel silly watching animes. but i did read all the death note books and they were great!
 

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bagodix said:
MagicShroom said:
Says the guy who never have seen (or read) the likes of the Heavy Metal series or it's many many spinoffs.
How exactly does Heavy Metal prove that Western animation can compete with Japanese animation in terms of quality and variety?
Hey that guy wanted variety and quality but he could he could only find it in Japanese animation/art, so I suggest Heavy Metal and its magazine it has variety and quality to the peak (even competing with Vertigo in my books). The magazine is also a showcase for some famous artists(e.g Boris Vallejo), plus on top of that (oh wait you gotta be 18 to read the magazine, you might have a point there).
 

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bagodix said:
MagicShroom said:
Hey that guy wanted variety and quality but he could he could only find it in Japanese animation/art, so I suggest Heavy Metal and its magazine it has variety and quality to the peak (even competing with Vertigo in my books). The magazine is also a showcase for some famous artists(e.g Boris Vallejo), plus on top of that (oh wait you gotta be 18 to read the magazine, you might have a point there).
What does a magazine have to do with animation? As for the Heavy Metal movie, it does not in any way invalidate what I said.
that part is complicated (mostly it's the fact that all of the stories from the movie deprived from the magazine).
 

Woodsey

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From what I can gather the Japanese are disturbingly obsessed with tits. Not in the 'I love tits' way, but in the 'I love my mum's tits' way.
 

J-Alfred

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Yeah, I'll give you most of the stuff you're saying... except Akira was crap. I've watched it, I kept an open mind, I was not influenced at all when I popped that sucker in, but dear god did I hate it. The opening was great, what with all the motorbikes and all, but as soon as the old psychic kids showed up the movie stopped being good.

Anyways, I'm no anime freak, but I used to be, and hold the shows Ruroni Kenshin, Big O, and Cowboy Bebop up as my favorite of all time.
 

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Woodsey said:
From what I can gather the Japanese are disturbingly obsessed with tits. Not in the 'I love tits' way, but in the 'I love my mum's tits' way.
Maybe you should look for something besides incest-themed doujinshi, then...
 

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Anime, Ah, anime. There are people like Miyuzaki who you say do more, more more! and wish that they were immortal and brimming with genius so the good would never stop. and then there are shows like Queens Blade: Ruro no Senshi which had a good plot idea (if you don't mind magical girl anime) and then got so hentai'd up that most men under the age of 20 couldn't want it and keep it in. I say this.

To good anime: Keep on going, and profligate!
To bad anime: Please, Please die in a hole. Just do me that favor this once... Not like you'd be able to do it again!