Anime, what a horrid little thing you've become.

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Foolish Mortal

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PurpleRain said:
I agree with your point about Hellsing. I've grown tired of a series where the main character can't be killed. But with Evangelion, I find myself attracted to the script. It to me is a subject few films grasp. The script as well was brilliantly crafted. The fact that there was robots and intelligent penguins I can overlook for that fact.
Gladly conceded. I will admit it was above-par by anime standards. And looking over my previous post, I've realised how my review of NGE was barely-coherent raging babble. So I'd like to take a minute, just sit down there, and I'll try to make some sense.

Yes, the script has its moments, and occasionally the characters will manage to be interesting through their thick coating of messed-up-ness. However, I think the problem stems from one word: 'deconstruction'. Deconstruction is, in theory, the technique of taking a genre apart and showing its faults or exposing certain elements that would make no sense/cause catastrophe in real life, via a story. In practice however, it's the technique of 'oh goody let's throw angst at the screen'.

NGE is a deconstruction of the mecha battles genre, and as such shows the grimdark far future of giant robots hitting each other. Parental abandonment, emotionless clones, fear and loathing in Las Tokyo, etc. This may have been effective, except that 1) I don't care about mecha battles and 2) instead of properly exploring this strange deconstructed world, as Watchmen does, it drags us down to wallow in its misery. Instead of sympathising with its tragic characters, you want to break a chair over their heads. Instead of crafting its own story, we get some nonsense about angels and cloning. Instead of building the story to a natural conclusion, the final episodes are a Moviemaker presentation on how Shinji should just suck it up or something. Also I can't get over that fucking penguin.
 

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As a high school student, I can say that I would choose to remove anime from history just to get rid of all the teenage Death Note enthusiasts.

Alright, that was going overboard I'll admit. But there are good animes out there. I fucking loved Ghost in the Shell, and this one anti-war movie I watched (Grave of the Fireflies) challenged beliefs that I had about WWII.
 

PsykoDragon

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The real problem is that all these mass-market anime just jump into your face if you even just do a search for "anime", while in fact there are some tremendously excellent anime (action, non-action, or comedy) that you can find.

If you're willing to give it another shot, allow me to make some recommendations:
- Mushishi (non-action, fantasy story-telling)
- Basilisk (some action, excellent story, i think the story's actually some ancient legend or true story from the past)
- Claymore (action, & please forgive me for recommending this. It gets interesting but once you're done you'll know what I mean)
- The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya (comedy, sci-fi, very weird)
 

Aptspire

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Obviously your friend missed the whole "build-up" idea set behind Higurashi...it is enjoyed slowly, bit by bit instead of all at once
It will lie to you
It will destroy your emotional barriers (allowing for some noisy reaction)
 

Lord Krunk

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PurpleRain said:
I feel for you, man. But Sturgeon's Law applies: 90% of everything is shite.

You're looking in the wrong places, anyway. Might I suggest Death Note before you completely turn your back on the genre?

EDIT: Damn it, I didn't notice the necro.
 

Artemis923

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I find that if an anime is under 26 episodes long, it usually kicks total ass.

Examples:

Gun X Sword
Cowboy Bebop
Samurai Champloo
Berserk
Claymore
Trigun
Outlaw Star

Those are my go-to animes.
 

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PsykoDragon said:
The real problem is that all these mass-market anime just jump into your face if you even just do a search for "anime", while in fact there are some tremendously excellent anime (action, non-action, or comedy) that you can find.

If you're willing to give it another shot, allow me to make some recommendations:
- Mushishi (non-action, fantasy story-telling)
- Basilisk (some action, excellent story, i think the story's actually some ancient legend or true story from the past)
- Claymore (action, & please forgive me for recommending this. It gets interesting but once you're done you'll know what I mean)
- The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya (comedy, sci-fi, very weird)
Warning: Some scenes in Claymore is a bit over the edge. Sensitive viewers be advised.

EDIT: Btw, Toppen Tenga Gurren Lagann is great... awesome... GODLIKE.
 

DarkPanda XIII

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It really depends on the anime, for sure. Stuff like Gundam Wing and occasionally Seed would require the attention of somebody with a little bit more hormones, (aka Teens) where as DBZ is meant for the smaller type.

Saying that you absolutely cannot watch anything that isn't anime can be possible, but can't be truly real, honestly. And anybody that says they hate all anime just haven't found the one that they could like.

Anime really is just...too vast to say you hate or love. there's an anime where there's guts, gore, and bloodshed with cute girls in it, while another just has a story full of men who look like they're 30 but are suppose to be 16-17-18, and just live in a slapstick joke of an anime

(Elfen Lied and Cromartie High, respectfully).

Even some animes don't have the big-eyed look, as people create their artstyle for something more humanish.

Truly, though, I can't really say I'm not with the group, Death Note is pretty damn kewl as well as stories like Bleach or Trigun. But I guess I've been looking up new stuff to expand my list, pretty much. Just finished Heat Guy J (which was AWESOME!! seriously, It's more awesome than a gun that shoots shurikens and lightning), and my friend has dragged me over to watch Gungrave, I haven't finished it yet, but it'll be soon n.n.
 

TsunamiWombat

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The only thing I can say to that rant about Anime...justified, but...

Mobile Suit Gundam.

Macross.

That is all.
 

MagicShroom

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@PurpleRain- Well someone have said it glad it was not me. Plus I do agree abit...


Now then the problem with anime/manga nowadays is what many subcultures went through or is going through, I like to call it Disco-Music Syndrome. It is when something gets so popular to the the point where they can have over the top retarded ideas (e.g Death Note) and still get away of it until they keep making bad idea after bad idea (also stuffing down our throats plays a factor, seriously if I see another Barnes and Noble that have 70 to 30 ratio (manga to comics)...) until it "crash" (hence this happened to Disco Music with other things (Videogames Included).

I personally do not hate all Anime (in fact in my top 10 graphic writers, Go Nagai is number 5), but the futher it goes, the more bland it become even the ones involve with the hyperactive comedy isn't much working for me. (thought I did state that I did perfer Western Comics due to DC Vertigo's way of story making).
 

Thaius

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For the record, I think you've watched too much crappy anime. Most of the crap you were talking about isn't in the stuff I watch, I must say.
 

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Abedeus said:
ziggybogidou said:
New anime= Extreme pain
What about Code Geass?
A show which went so badly wrong in season 2 that it earned the name Code Trainwreck. It was horriffic and wrong, but somehow you couldn't stop watching it.

Even Goro Taniguchi, the chief writer of Code Geass, doesn't like how it went in R2, which was apparently nothing like what he originally wanted to do, due to the timeslot move and other executve meddling from Sunrise.

Now, Macross Frontier, that was some good stuff.
 

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PurpleRain said:
I had to grab your attention,so you would know -
- it's Sturgeon's Fucking Law. 90% of everything is a complete shite with a side order of fries. The remaining 10% is the entertainment you like.

What really bothers me is fandom... but well,it's always fandom that really bothers us,isn't it?
 

Abedeus

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GloatingSwine said:
Abedeus said:
ziggybogidou said:
New anime= Extreme pain
What about Code Geass?
A show which went so badly wrong in season 2 that it earned the name Code Trainwreck. It was horriffic and wrong, but somehow you couldn't stop watching it.

Even Goro Taniguchi, the chief writer of Code Geass, doesn't like how it went in R2, which was apparently nothing like what he originally wanted to do, due to the timeslot move and other executve meddling from Sunrise.

Now, Macross Frontier, that was some good stuff.
Ah, see, TVTropes is right - the fanbase IS ruptured.

I thought that while the second season wasn't as good as the first one, it had some epic moments especially by the end, episodes 22+.