In regards to the declining birth rate, its called equalibrium.
In regards to the brat ban, some of the stupidest shit I ever heard...
In regards to the brat ban, some of the stupidest shit I ever heard...
Like literally 98-ish% of the world's births happen in third world countries where disease and malnutrition are rampant. The reason given was, 'No contraceptives, lack of education, and having more children means more hands to help out, which means more money/resources/whatever.'TheDarkEricDraven said:I thought overpopulation was a problem? I mean, I could do with less people around. Gods know most people around me are idiots.
How do you think they got that way? Bad parenting and abusive people around them. They probably wouldn't have done those things if they had good role models and people who actually cared for them. They at least would have been noticed by someone and put away to get help. Hoping and thinking won't solve anything, you are right about that, but I never said that, or anything close to it.The7Sins said:Or that kid could become the next Jeffrey Dahmer or Ed Gein or Mao Zedong. Just because you hope and think the brats will become good helpful members of society does not mean they will.Jack the Potato said:Of course it is not your responsibility to raise someone else's child (unless you want to), but as they say: Children are the future. They absorb information like a sponge and everything they see you do is reflected in the way they behave as adults. You don't know if this kid will be the next president or the guy who gives you your medicine when you're old and feeble. It's just something I hope you keep in mind when you interact with kids.The Lesbian Flower said:Do you mean that it is "our" responsibility meaning parents' responsibility? Or "our" responsibility meaning society's burden? I would agree with the first one but not the second one. Someone else's kid is not my problem and I consider no child to be my obligation. And I'd hardly call kids the most important people. I don't think there truly is a most important people.Jack the Potato said:I love kids (awaiting the FBI now), and don't see how anyone could truly hate them. Kids are the most important people on the planet and it's our responsibility to see to it that the world they inherit is worthwhile and make sure they grow up to be happy. But American families not having as many kids is nothing to worry about. Back in the day, people died a lot more so having more kids was necessary. Today, not so much, and society's attitude towards having kids reflects that.
(I really don't mean this to sound nasty towards you. Those are just my feelings.)
Personally I am glad the country is seeing less and less kids. They are a nuisance and I personally can not express in words the amount of loathing I have towards kids and the people that have more than 1.
I love you. Someone who finally made sense.The Rogue Wolf said:I'm seeing a lot of bad thinking from both sides of this argument. On one side, you have the "I hate kids and nobody should have them, or at least make sure they never come near me" argument; this is selfish in the extreme- wanting an entire soceity to change its ways simply because the byproducts annoy you. On the other hand, there's the "You're selfish if you don't have a child" and "You'll understand when you get older" types. Yeah, I'm 35 and still not looking to have a child. This makes me selfish? How selfish would I have to be to bring a life into this world when I truly don't want to? "Oh, you'll change your mind once you see your baby." And if I don't? I can't put the kid back where it came from. Damning a child to a suboptimal childhood just to fulfill your self-righteous busybody impulses... who's the selfish one?
When I worked in a pet store, I very often had to deal with kids and their... let's politely call it "uninformed" views. But one day, a kid who couldn't have been a day over twelve asked me a surprisingly complex question about pet adoption that expressed a view I didn't agree with. I gave him my heartfelt opinion, to which he replied: "Oh... I guess that makes sense if you look at it that way." Then he thanked me for talking to him.
Proof that children are not inherently "monsters". The problem is parenting. Between the fall of coporal punishment (say what you will about it, but I know my mother did not shy from beating my ass when it needed it, and I'm not a quivering wreck), the advent of "touchy-feely" parenting and "let's reward everyone" interaction, and an entire legion of parents who are too busy indulging their own inner children to keep track of their actual offspring, there are unforunately a lot of kids out there who haven't been shown how to act. (And this is a social liberal saying this.) "Brat bans" and outright ostracizing children is not the answer- how is this going to help children understand the world as they grow? Instead, society needs to ridicule and disparage lazy parents who won't keep their kids on the "straight and narrow". It's not always easy and there are some kids that will just be hellions no matter what... but if you're not going to put in your best efforts, then maybe you should just keep your pants on.
That sentiment was thrust onto me when I was very young, that children are leeches and parasites. It is the one thing I've learned growing up in my household and from observing other families.BiscuitTrouser said:And people like you who told them they were a leech onto others and should be banned and discouraged.
That's one of the most poignant and beautiful things I've ever heard anyone say about having children. It's how I felt without knowing how to put words to it. Thank you.Vanguard_Ex said:I think helping my kids have a good upbringing is a nice way to revisit my childhood but with purpose.
Aww why thank you! Funnily enough I was afraid that I hadn't quite put it into the right words. I'm glad that one person found some nice meaning in it though.Catie Caraco said:That's one of the most poignant and beautiful things I've ever heard anyone say about having children. It's how I felt without knowing how to put words to it. Thank you.Vanguard_Ex said:I think helping my kids have a good upbringing is a nice way to revisit my childhood but with purpose.
Guy, not for nothing but somebody who has to be supported by society because he's too much of a danger to it really shouldn't be calling anything a nuisance.The7Sins said:2. I hate everyone who bugs the fuck out of me with a very very strong urge to kill what annoys me (to the point I have to be on welfare due to being a danger to society if out in public to much like for a regular job). One thing that makes my blood boil to a froth and get me a strong killing intent are things that are loud and annoying or things that are happy for no damned explained reason. Kids especially infants fall into both categories.[/color]
So, parents aren't allowed to experience that sort of luxury? Children aren't allowed try classier things and learn how to behave in that sort of situation? Your logic seems really flawed, you're creating a class system that puts the people who are in charge of raising the future in the lower class. That's just stupid.brandon237 said:I only want them out of Classy, expensive areas. I fully understand the noise at a family restaurant or second class seating, but DO NOT bring that screaming baby near people who are paying larger amounts of money for a quality experience, because you are then ruining that for them, which is selfish and bad for business. With first class et cetera, you are paying partly for the luxury and experience, not just the trip. A crying baby in your cabin / restaurant completely ruins said luxury and experience. I can handle them as distant background noise, or if I am having a quick, cheap meal / trip et cetera, but in the same restaurant that charges double for service and and luxury, will lead to explosively bad results.
it's more idiotic than that. It would mean that future children would hate his "first" class restaurants and they go bankrupt. Then when he is 80; he can rail about the good old days about how there was something other than fast food and denny's.Catie Caraco said:So, parents aren't allowed to experience that sort of luxury? Children aren't allowed try classier things and learn how to behave in that sort of situation? Your logic seems really flawed, you're creating a class system that puts the people who are in charge of raising the future in the lower class. That's just stupid.brandon237 said:I only want them out of Classy, expensive areas. I fully understand the noise at a family restaurant or second class seating, but DO NOT bring that screaming baby near people who are paying larger amounts of money for a quality experience, because you are then ruining that for them, which is selfish and bad for business. With first class etc, you are paying partly for the luxury and experience, not just the trip. A crying baby in your cabin / restaurant completely ruins said luxury and experience. I can handle them as distant background noise, or if I am having a quick, cheap meal / trip etc, but in the same restaurant that charges double for service and and luxury, will lead to explosively bad results.