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Rin Little

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That;s interesting that birth rates are lower. Honestly the reasons I can think of are 1) the idea of having kids is becoming less and less attractive as more and more parents continue to let their kids do whatever they want and 2) children are a financial strain that a lot of people can't afford so they're investing more in contraceptives. What's a few bucks a month for birth control when you could easily spend ten times that amount taking care of a child?
 

Versuvius

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In england it is (was?) possible to end up in a 4 bedroomed house fully furnished for next to nothing by having 6 kids and being a single mother. That and lots of stupid teenagers not having a clue about life getting pregnant and just having the sprogs. Im ....surprised this hasn't caused a boom in birth rates.

This is not a bash at anybody, just stating local observations and whats going on at the borders of the family itself.
 

Dark Knifer

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The_root_of_all_evil said:
Dark Knifer said:
You know, you seem to have a habit of making short, logical and interesting posts that get almost completely ignored in threads... Also, good point.
Danke. Just comes from stepping back and not rushing forward.
A good way to look at things. The internet would be a very different place if everyone was like this. The world would be to actually.
 

Fbuh

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The reason that there are these so-called "brats" is because that parents are doing a poor job of raising their children. I would think that in order to make a difference, rather than saying that you'll never have children, it would make more sense to try to instill a sense of good parenting in society.

I think it's rather unfair to say how horrible children are when it's not even their fault. I'm guessing that the author of this post is about 15. I would hate to think that an actual, intelligent adult wrote this.
 

Kryzantine

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I believe the declining birth rate is really from only two things, very closely related: firstly, starting in the 1970s, you have women taking jobs alongside their husbands to sustain the American lifestyle. This leaves them, on average, less time to raise their kids. The second thing is that women cannot move up the ladder if they have two or more kids without alienating them. This is especially true in the business world, a popular area for females, where hours can become excruciating. I went to high school near Wall Street, I'm familiar with a lot of the women working there, and specifically among the women with two or more kids, they're either stuck down the ladder (less hours, less pay) or they've not seen their kids as often as society wants them to (again, work hours).

Working mothers can't raise kids effectively, not unless they're working at home or they're working a job with normal hours. There's also a huge dynamic shift from one kid to two kids - raising one child can actually be done without damaging career prospects. It's just much easier, he/she won't get injured so easily, won't have disputes, the relationships are much easier to control. Now, two kids? Three? Five? The dynamic completely changes. They NEED a lot more work put into them. That's where you get the low hours or the full-time babysitter. In the business world, a woman is plain old done moving up the ladder once she has her second kid. It can be done, but her babysitter will know more about her kids than she will. I knew a woman with 4 kids who decided that moving up the ladder was more important than staying with her kids. Her kids didn't turn out well for it.

If we want to raise the birth rate, then we need to lower female employment. We need to encourage them to stay at home. But to afford their staying at home and to sustain our current lifestyle, their husbands need to be paid much more. Then because of our societal freedom, the women would continue getting a side job to make even more money, because we can't discriminate wages based on gender.

Me, I would love to be able to have a stay-at-home wife. I would love to be able to support a house by myself and raise a large family. For some reason, a lot of people think I will have 13 children - almost always exactly 13 children. But with our economy, it would be next to impossible to raise such a large family with only one person paying for everything. And if the wife works, then there's nobody to raise the children. I'm sure lots of people share this.... frustration.
 

The Lesbian Flower

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Fbuh said:
The reason that there are these so-called "brats" is because that parents are doing a poor job of raising their children. I would think that in order to make a difference, rather than saying that you'll never have children, it would make more sense to try to instill a sense of good parenting in society.

I think it's rather unfair to say how horrible children are when it's not even their fault. I'm guessing that the author of this post is about 15. I would hate to think that an actual, intelligent adult wrote this.
Is it so hard to believe that actual, intelligent adults might not enjoy or like kids? Are adults not the restaurant owners enforcing bans and the airline owners enforcing bans and the one's who are choosing not to have kids?
 

Grospoliner

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The birth rate is down, the mortality rate is lower than world average. What's the beef?

Birth rates: http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0005067.html

Mortality: http://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_&met_y=sp_dyn_imrt_in&idim=country:USA&dl=en&hl=en&q=infant+mortality#ctype=l&strail=false&nselm=h&met_y=sp_dyn_imrt_in&scale_y=lin&ind_y=false&rdim=country&idim=country:USA&ifdim=country&hl=en&dl=en
 

TheLaofKazi

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I can honestly understand the desire to not have children, and to an extent, agree with it due to overpopulation (although the issue is more complicated then that), but the attitude behind these brat bans just pisses me off. Aren't there better fucking things you can with your life then worry about children ruining your expensive, indulgent, shallow, pre-packaged, cookie-cutter, tourist experiences?

I'm not saying they should have children, but this just seems like such a stupid non-issue that we shouldn't be concerning ourselves with. Oh no! Some rich person isn't happy with their first class flight and fancy restaurant meal that most people don't have the money to enjoy, because of some noisy kids, this is a problem! No, fuck them. Businesses will cater to those people, because they have money, that's just their nature, and we shouldn't expect otherwise. This isn't really an issue, it's a bi-product. Life expectancy, healthcare, and sustainability are issues, and bear relation to this whole 'anti-child' thing. Children on airplanes are not. Sure, those former things are arguably the products at larger things at work as well, but at least they are digging much deeper.
 

Jeremy Meadows

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I second all of this. I think we are way overpopulated at least here in the states, and i've never liked kids either. I'm all for brat bans and almost in favor of China's one child law.
 

Rex Fallout

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cyrogeist said:
well...im my opinion...we also need to think about over population..so...(at the moment anyway) is it a bad thing birth rates went down? (i feel like this is a stupid thing to say)
The United States is NOT over populated, nor anywhere near being so. I'm guessing that more adoptions are taking place. Personally I feel like this isn't entirely true considering the fact I see TONS of kids all the time and very few couples saying they don't want kids. But it could just be my area I guess.
 

Gorobrin

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Jeremy Meadows said:
I second all of this. I think we are way overpopulated at least here in the states, and i've never liked kids either. I'm all for brat bans and almost in favor of China's one child law.
except overpopulation isn't considered to be an imminent threat in the US.

OP: Even with how badly everything is going we still manage to become more snooty and bothered by basic annoyances like a few immature kids...
 

FilipJPhry

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(I got a feeling I might get a suspension for this, but screw it)

Ugh, "brat bans"? Bad enough teachers in Ontario want kids to be home schooled, and you want to take this even further? I grew up in a large family with around 23-25 first cousins and I don't mind kids one bit. Kids do misbehave and would grind your gears sometimes, but it's because they don't know better.

I understand you hate awful children because they are raised by awful parents, but what do you mean taking the "brat bans" further?
Are you saying we should give up on schools? Ban public breast-feeding? Shut down sports programs? Everything that has to do with kids?
 

Sariteiya

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So, when you're 80 and expect to be living on a pension, who do you figure will be paying for that? Who'll be farming your food and making your medicine and taking care of you? Kids seem annoying, but VERY VERY literally, they are your future. Without fresh new waves of youth, we'd all starve and die once we got older.

It may seem, if you actually don't know many kids, that children are horrible monsters, but those are just the kids you happen to notice. There are plenty of quiet, well behaved kids, but because they're quiet, you never really pay attention to them.

Also in terms of why people aren't having children, there's a very common trend of young couples postponing children, because of University, or the debt that ensues. Often they're forced to postpone their family ambitions until it's too late to conceive.

I think it's perfectly fine to choose not to have children, but I have little respect for those who criticize people who do. Having children and raising them to be good people is literally a service to society. Without good parents raising good children, society ceases to function.
 

Princess Rose

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The Lesbian Flower said:
My question is this: What do you think is the cause of this anti-child/anti-baby society?

In my opinion, I believe people are starting to finally break away from the social conformity that comes with having a child. People are expected to reproduce at some point in their lives and not doing so usually carries a great stigma to it. I think the faster we can get over this stigma, the faster we can build a better society where people can choose to live the way that they want.

In case it's hard to tell, I absolutely loath children. I'm all for the "brat bans" and would take it so much further if I could. I do not plan on ever having kids and decided that when I was very young. I'm anti-baby and anti-children, though not simply because they scream and carry on in public, there's a deeper reason. I'm also anti-parents who couldn't care less about their screaming child. For all those who wish to argue "It's different when you have a kid", there's a reason I don't have a damn kid.
While I'm all for child bans (there is a time and a place, and fancy restaurants aren't an appropriate place for young children) I don't have anything against children - they are fairly necessary. I'm looking forward to having children of my own - not because I have an obligation, but because my DNA is awesome and must be carried forward into future generations for the sake of humanity.

However, I AM for a 0 growth population rate - one child per person. Overpopulation sucks.

My real concern is that the wrong people are breeding. A lot of the people choosing not to have children are the intellectual elite (of which I am a member). The "plebes" aren't cutting their birth rates much (at least not that I've noticed). So, as fewer smart people have children, our smart DNA gets lost and the dumb DNA survives. Hence why I am determined to have children and make sure my DNA makes it another generation or two. Who knows - maybe my super DNA will save the human race? ^^

Anywho...
 

Jeremy Meadows

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True they've never said that offically. But would unemployment be as high if we had a smaller population? I don't think so. Not saying its the only factor but it is one in my opinion.
 

FreakSheet

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FilipJPhry said:
(I got a feeling I might get a suspension for this, but screw it)

Ugh, "brat bans"? Bad enough teachers in Ontario want kids to be home schooled, and you want to take this even further? I grew up in a large family with around 23-25 first cousins and I don't mind kids one bit. Kids do misbehave and would grind your gears sometimes, but it's because they don't know better.

I understand you hate awful children because they are raised by awful parents, but what do you mean taking the "brat bans" further?
Are you saying we should give up on schools? Ban public breast-feeding? Shut down sports programs? Everything that has to do with kids?
To quote the Simpsons, "LETS KILL EVERY CHILD-
friendly thing in town!"

Yeah. Some people amaze me in what they believe. At least it'll mean their DNA and personality won't live on ever again.