Anti Obama posters WTF?!

[Mr.Pandah]

All Obama has done wrong so far (besides the stimulus package-debatable) is expect people to educate themselves on the health care bill he was intending to pass. Instead they just start practically rioting in the streets rather than read a little bit.

Wow! So if he wanted everyone to read it then what was the rush to get it passed before break? What was with the 300 pages added to it 4 hours before it was to be voted on? What is with the fact that prior to break the vast majority of Congress (or their aides) hadn't even read the bill?? Don't kid yourself that he wanted people to read it and certainly don't come spouting your drivel to the rest of us because you are extremely misinformed like all but a small handful (thankfully from both sides) of posters in this thread.

Our government fails in nearly everything it does. People are right to be concerned with them taking over an industry that accounts for nearly 20% of our GDP considering their horrible track record. It is those of you that are not concerned that astound me. I am sorry but you can't just walk into office and propose massive changes like this and expect people to just roll over and accept them (without even having a chance to read them!). No.

As for the tea parties... It is unfortunate that the Republicans jumped onto that wagon as they made it into a big us versus them pissing war with the Democrats and people ended up missing the entire point, which was good. It was a non-partisan affair. It was anti-government. It was about getting back to the roots that our Founding Fathers put forth in the Constitution.

As for the person posting about the Cisco certs being trumped by the new government certs. I read the same article on Slashdot. I forget the actual source as \. just linked it but yeah. Scary stuff. Give an inch....

umm you quoted the wrong person i didn't say that or your making stuff up...

so they are saying that obama is a sociopaths who kills people just cos it causes chaos and cos it's "fun". that makes little sense if you applay it literally.

also, who goes around putting up posters telling people not to take a vaccine to a semi-dangerous virus.

less dangerous than reg flu btw

I wouldn't go as far to say its less dangerous then the regular flu. Since swine flu is a respiratory virus, it can kill many people, including my girlfriend whom I care for very much since she is an asthmatic. Its very scary because while you may be able to get over it, some other people won't. And when it spreads the way it does, its worrying to say the least.

lets look at the numbers here
SARS (Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome) deaths (for those who can't remember what SARS is it was just like swine flu only more panic) aprox 774 (world wide)

Swine Flu 2008-2009 deaths : 2,800 (world wide as of today)

2008 seasonal Influenza virus deaths: aprox 30,000 (United States of America only)

so that's just the numbers also the infection values for swine flu are below average for an influenza i can't remember exactly what the value is called or what the exact number was.

Congratulations, you posted numbers. Because, ya know, numbers protect people!

anyone with an understanding of these numbers can realise how much the media has blown this whole thing out of proportion.

And anyone with an understanding of diseases realizes that they are a threat, regardless of how many people they kill. Without any true way to fight a disease, its unsettling at the very least.

 

[Notsomuch]

Most conservatives don't actually have any criticisms of their own. By which I mean, they don't actually pay enough attention to make up their own mind. One way you can tell is this is the case is that there are actual criticisms that apply to Obama and good criticisms. However they all seem to jump straight to the stupidest accusations because those are the ones being thrown around most often. Socialist, not a citizen, going to take away rights and freedoms.. Stupid. I've heard more valid criticism of Obama from liberals who supported him than from the people who actually stand to gain something from making him look bad. Of course, the fact that he is likely a corporate shill is overlooked because all of the republicans and conservatives are as well and "bought out by corporate America" doesn't make it into the talking points unless some one is trying to be ironic. He hasn't followed through with any of the change he promised and nobody to the right of the spectrum wants to mention that because good or bad, they don't want that change.

Ultimately the only valid criticism comes from the left because the right is insane and is only holding on due to another valid complaint about Obama and the entire democratic party. They play politics like little girls who only know how to compromise.

 

[arcticfox11]

No posters like that are present in Indiana. At least, not in the area where I live.

Silly people, never satisfied with what they have. The grass is greener on the other side and whatnot.

 

[Agayek]

It's because people don't agree with Obama's plan to give millions of people free health care. Apparently that's evil. But yeah, those people mostly don't know what socialism means. For example, Sarah Palin said:

"I don't want my down syndrome baby to go in front of Obama's death panel'

What? What death panel? From what I understand he wants to emulate the NHS to a degree... Now I'm from England, have been to hospital numerous times and have received nothing but good treatment. Not once have I had to stand in front of anything remotely like a 'death panel'. But anyway, its mostly nonsense. Treat it like kids that used to bully you, ignore them and they'll eventually get bored and stop.

Now I'm no expert, but the actual opposition to the plan is not in providing socialized health care. It's in the fact that everything is incredibly vague, and no one in government is saying where the money for it will come from.

A lot of people in America (74% according to a TIME article I saw a couple months back), are perfectly happy with their health care. Another fairly high number (~65% if memory serves) are at least mildly worried about losing their coverage because of his plan, quite possibly because of ignorance. Finally, there's the fact that any national health care plan will increase government power in the private sector, and more than likely cause a non-negligible increase in taxes. I am not a fan of either, and as such I'm against the current reform plan.

All of my information is a couple months out of date though since I'm too busy and unmotivated enough to keep on top of it, so the situation may have changed since then. If someone has come forth with a concrete plan, including how much it will cost and where the money will come from, my stance may change. I just haven't seen evidence of that yet.

 

[Agayek]

Good point, although from what i know (I'm Brit btw) the states control the police and fire department so its not technically the government... but yes, postal service and i presume education as well is state run, so why not health????

Not quite. Police and especially Fire Departments, as well as almost all utilities, are typically city/county/district operated services. There are State and Federal Police (State Troopers and FBI are the most commonly known versions of each), but they only become involved in very large scale criminal activities that span multiple districts. Mostly it's the local police that handle the vast majority of crime.

These services are still controlled by the government, so by definition they are socialist programs, but its city government instead of Federal, which makes it much more palatable to the average American.

 

[Agayek]

The whole change is what he's going to do i.e. free healthcare and the economy

Nothing is free. Nothing in the entire history of mankind has ever been free. There are always strings attached. The money to support public healthcare has to come from somewhere, and judging by past trends and the vagueness of intent, it will more than likely mean a not insignificant increase in taxes.

If there are posters comparing him to Hitler, then I have lost even more faith in my countrymen. He can't be a socialist (far left) and be compared to Hitler (Fascism= far right). Ridiculous.

Socialist = far left

Fascism = extreme left

On the political spectrum, as one moves further to the left, government control increases. As one moves further to the right, government control decreases. Ultimately you find something like this:

Complete control (Fascism/Communism/etc) ....................................................................................... Anarchy

Spoiler

tell you what, save this picture, print it out and post it underneath any anti-obama posters that you may see:

and yes, I just pulled the Goodwin Law on this thread........ why? because its FUNNY!

Just for the sake of clarity, let it be known that it was actually upwards of 12,000,000 people that died in the concentration camps. Approximately 6 million Jews, 2 million gays, 1 million gypsies, and 3 million prisoners of war, "undesirables" and political opponents to the Nazi regime.

 

[Agayek]

This is why I think freedom of speech is overrated - because the stupid and dellusional get an equal voice to the smart, educated, and/or people with hard scientific data.

If you are willing to limit the voices of the stupid, you are willing to limit the voice of anyone. I can cite any number of examples you'd care to mention where people say something and someone else thinks it's stupid. Freedom of speech applies to any and everyone, or it applies to no one. That's all there is to it.

Edit: Of course, there must be legal ramifications for lying. Freedom of speech only holds true for true speech. To me, that seems incredibly obvious, but from reading the remainder of the thread it occurs to me that that may not be the case for others.

 

[whoops1995]

The don't take the vaccine one makes sense because more people have died from the vaccine from paralysis than from the actual swine flur

 

[Idhenz]

One of your posts has been quoted by [user]Doug[/user]!

So I was walking home from college minding my own business, when I saw a poster of Obama with the Joker face paint and with the words "Why so socialist?". At first I was surprised and started laughing. But then there is another poster at a near by bus stop. Then another and another and another. The town's main road is literally littered with these posters. Also I noticed another poster next to it talking about "Swine flu genocide" and "Don't take the vaccination". (WTF!?)Now I'm all for free speech and all but this seems a bit too much. Not to mention Obama looks freaky with that face paint.

This is why I think freedom of speech is overrated - because the stupid and dellusional get an equal voice to the smart, educated, and/or people with hard scientific data.

The stupid and delusional? My friend, if that is your example of why freedom of speech is overrated, labling these people as stupid and/or delusional. In that case you should take back what you said about having an equal voice to the smart, educated and/or people with hard scientific data.

reasons being that you are 1) not educated but brainwashed. 2) not smart but merely a sheep and 3) you have no hard scientific data until proven otherwise

Oh goodie, someone who's heard the word 'sheep', and maybe even 'sheeple', and thinks labelling people it invalidates their points. As it happens, I was being half joking, but sadly the internet does not transmit that well. In an ideal world, everyone everywhere would be informed about everything all the time. As for the real world, freedom of speech is a alright, I suppose.

As for my education, well, there are 2 Universities that would disagree with you, but given I don't feel like posting all my personal details for everyone to see, it'd be somewhat hard to prove.

Also, Reason, sentences being with capitals.

so they are saying that obama is a sociopaths who kills people just cos it causes chaos and cos it's "fun". that makes little sense if you applay it literally.

also, who goes around putting up posters telling people not to take a vaccine to a semi-dangerous virus.

who says they kill people because they think it's fun? Do you think the joker thought it was fun? Maybe he looked at it but the way I saw the joker in batman he had a very elaborate idea of what he was trying to do...

And who? those people who think the vaccine is actually a contagion rather than a cure, who are you to prove them wrong?

Oh goodie gum drops, a conspiracy 'theorist' - Yeah, the swine flu is one giant hoax and the whole world is in fact in the middle of a genocide under the pretence of a vaccine. Also, THE MOON IS FAKE! ITS JUST A GIANT CARDBOARD CUT OUT.

The reason why these fuckers shouldn't have freedom of speech is because dumb or evil shits like these get people and kids killed. Don't believe me, see the MMR vaccine muck up here in UK land: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMR_vaccine#Claims_about_autism

Thanks to the wholy unethnical and unsupported statements made by a quack, a large part of the population are now at risk of a Measles outbreak. Alot of them children.

Freedom of speech also requires Responsiblity of speech; if you make shit up, you should bare the legal blame for that. How many people could die if/when swine flu returns in the winter, as predicted by scientists. How many girls are going to get cervical cancer thanks to scum who say the vaccine that'd protect them from the virus known to cause one form of it actually encourages girls to sleep around.

Frankly, they won't bare the burden of their lies and bullshit because their victims are the one's who'll have to live with the effects.

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Wow another thing I disagree with. Just to please you literary nazi I will punctuate and capitalise this properly. If two universities disagree with how I think your education was a simple brainwashing rather than an actual input of information, you must have studied in languages. Oh yes, having a degree in english, literal arts or whatever it is they call it makes you well placed to tell me that President Obama is the greatest thing since the lunar landing.

No, not everything you hear is fake, in fact it would be very difficult to make more than 2% of what you hear false what with the ability we have to spread information. The problem remains that certain things will remain lies. Some doctors will say that; yes, this vaccine may potentially prevent infection of said diseases. This cleverly worded phrase, that may or may not be what your own doctor has told you, still has the words "possibly", "May" and "Prevent" while they don't speak of what causes you to get infected, the chances of getting infected and how it came to be in the first place aside what the mainstream media spurts out on a daily basis.

Now I get this kind of crap all the time where someone compares a studied, as you may say "paranoia" about some things that are quite possibly true (Even if they could be false) with an entirely ridiculus prospect that the moon is made of cardboard. Not only do you not have proof of that, you actually cannot find proof of that nor can you find a hint of proof of that. THAT is what makes what you said ridiculus while mercury has been found in many samples of vaccinations dedicated to the public.

Oh but don't beleive me, i'm a paranoid conspiracy theorist. Your government never lied to you, ever! the towers obviously fell from burning fuel and top secret documents are top secret for YOUR OWN PROTECTION.

the nerve...

You highlight that people should take blame for things that could be deemed their fault while this is exactly what causes this world to be divided. No, I'm not american and no I don't beleive in world government.

If you put the blame on a single person for whatever it is, you ignore the fact that the events that had come to pass might have been a group decision. You ignore the fact that the president has councelors. You ignore the fact that he also has speechwriters. You ignore the fact that every known artist has things they can and cannot say. You ignore the fact that in many countries, possibly and most likely including your own, people have been taken away by your own government, labeled as terrorist for who knows what reason.

The hatred you have towards me, I did not create, nor did you. You've been mislead, my friend.

The don't take the vaccine one makes sense because more people have died from the vaccine from paralysis than from the actual swine flur

The evidence is all around you... you chose to be a sheep, led rather than leading.
There is no wrong to be led as long as you trust your leaders...
But the reasons you put trust in your leaders are the reasons they gave you
This makes you all the more sheep, easily swayable.. gullible.

 

[dukethepcdr]

Turnabout is fair play. Our previous president got raked through the coals by his detractors too. Besides, with some of the things Obama is proposing and endorsing, he's got it coming.

 

[Darkrain11]

People think Obama is socialist because he is actually exercising his presidential powers.

As for the swine flu posters, all I can say is that a conspiracy is all around us! Swine flu is obviously caused by a galatic organization called the None Human Killers, also known as
the NHK!

You win awesome points for that reference.

People don't seem to understand that something NEEDS TO BE DONE about America's health system. Obama is the only dude so far with the balls to actually try and do something about it instead of just talk and speculate about what should be done. I give my full support to Pres. Obama and hope that other people can get past their absurd and baseless fear of Socialism(which it is not) and Communism(also not).

 

[Awexsome]

As an advocate for a public plan, I'm sure there are some good stances against the public health-care plan but I can never make them out over the incessant cry of SOCIALISM!! COMMIE!! or UNAMERICAN!! (I really hate that one).

I could bust about every argument against the plan with this video right here:
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html

 

[Legion]

It always amazes me how involved US citizens seem to get with their politics, for some reason in the UK everyone just bitches about it but nobody would take the time to create posters showing their opinions or anything.

The posters may be stupid, but at least people give a damn I suppose.

It's kind of a big thing over here that just because we elect our officials doesn't mean they don't have to listen to us anymore. If that sounds derogatory it isn't supposed to.

Don't get me wrong, we feel the same way, what I meant was that the British way of doing things is to *****, but do nothing about it. Whereas in the US people actually seem to show some interest and do something about their beliefs.

Even if occasionally some of them are misinformed morons...

well from what I understand of UK politics, isn't part of the reason why because ya'll don't elect certain prominent ministers to office, they're appointed? I think America has a lot more "freedom" in electing people to office (Which is both good and bad). I think people probably care more because it matters more.

Basically we vote for a party, a little like your Democrats and Republicans, and those parties have a 'leader' and if that party is voted for then that person is the Prime Minister. So it's very similar, except we don't choose an individual. Although if the leader is kicked out or steps down (like with Tony Blair) then really there should be another election, because although we vote for the party, we know who the leader is and therefore who would be Prime Minister so when it comes to the voting it's very much like the US.

Whats the point, here in the UK we all know the goverment are a bunch of halfwits and fuckups. Why make a poster saying that, we may as well point at the sky shouting "It's blue, with clouds!!!!"

That's very true. Although they may try and tax us for that.

 

[CorvinBlack]

People think Obama is a socialist because they have no idea what socialism really is, or why they are scared of it really. The whole attitude is rather creepy, either the far end right has gone completely nuts or racism has a lot to do with what is going on. Strangest poster I saw was one saying no socialism and no walls, I mean no walls?

Berlin wall. Heard about it? It is probably a reference to that. Socialism is just the american boogeyman. In 20 years you will see poster like - no islam and no veils. Its just propaganda.

That makes no sense at all though. How do you get from socialism is bad to Obama is going to build a wall? Sure I see how the Berlin wall is a link to communism and hence socialism in some peoples minds but going from there to having a sign that just says no walls? Propaganda is meant to get a message across, not just spout things vaguely connected to something you don't like.

It doesn't have to make sense or be clear. It just has to invoke emotions of Patriotism and fear from everything else. Most people remeber the Fall of the Berlin Wall as a great victory over communism, so in the back of the head, everyone would fear another wall. Propaganda can be vague and still get a clear message across. Socialism bad, we don't want another wall like before. Blablabla. Had Obama been born in Alaska, they would accuse him of Russian ancestry.

 

[curlycrouton]

People have the right to state their opinions. You might not agree, but they can still state their opinions in any way they choose.

Yes you are completely right, but damn those posters are literally everywhere in my town.

It brings to mind the old saying:

It's always the idiots that shout the loudest.

 

[Bat Vader]

People have the right to state their opinions. You might not agree, but they can still state their opinions in any way they choose.

Even violently at times.

 

[Worsle]

People think Obama is a socialist because they have no idea what socialism really is, or why they are scared of it really. The whole attitude is rather creepy, either the far end right has gone completely nuts or racism has a lot to do with what is going on. Strangest poster I saw was one saying no socialism and no walls, I mean no walls?

Berlin wall. Heard about it? It is probably a reference to that. Socialism is just the american boogeyman. In 20 years you will see poster like - no islam and no veils. Its just propaganda.

That makes no sense at all though. How do you get from socialism is bad to Obama is going to build a wall? Sure I see how the Berlin wall is a link to communism and hence socialism in some peoples minds but going from there to having a sign that just says no walls? Propaganda is meant to get a message across, not just spout things vaguely connected to something you don't like.

It doesn't have to make sense or be clear. It just has to invoke emotions of Patriotism and fear from everything else. Most people remeber the Fall of the Berlin Wall as a great victory over communism, so in the back of the head, everyone would fear another wall. Propaganda can be vague and still get a clear message across. Socialism bad, we don't want another wall like before. Blablabla. Had Obama been born in Alaska, they would accuse him of Russian ancestry.

No propaganda should make sense in at least some form. Just saying no walls is not a clear way of getting a message across and hence fails as propaganda. I am pretty sure they would accuse of of being Russian if some thing else was different, I can see some of the sense there even though even if he was it would not turn out as they think (worst case scenario Joe Biden takes office there is no way any one would even try and reverse Obama's presidency it just would not work). However I digress, good propaganda needs direction as well as emotions or else it does not work. Hell even a picture would have helped it, even if the message it is giving me still is one of confusion.

People think Obama is a socialist because they have no idea what socialism really is, or why they are scared of it really. The whole attitude is rather creepy, either the far end right has gone completely nuts or racism has a lot to do with what is going on. Strangest poster I saw was one saying no socialism and no walls, I mean no walls?

well do you know EXACTLY what socialism is? WITHOUT GOOGLING IT!

Well yes I do, not sure how I would prove that given we are on the internet and I could have just googled it.

 

[CorvinBlack]

People think Obama is a socialist because they have no idea what socialism really is, or why they are scared of it really. The whole attitude is rather creepy, either the far end right has gone completely nuts or racism has a lot to do with what is going on. Strangest poster I saw was one saying no socialism and no walls, I mean no walls?

Berlin wall. Heard about it? It is probably a reference to that. Socialism is just the american boogeyman. In 20 years you will see poster like - no islam and no veils. Its just propaganda.

That makes no sense at all though. How do you get from socialism is bad to Obama is going to build a wall? Sure I see how the Berlin wall is a link to communism and hence socialism in some peoples minds but going from there to having a sign that just says no walls? Propaganda is meant to get a message across, not just spout things vaguely connected to something you don't like.

It doesn't have to make sense or be clear. It just has to invoke emotions of Patriotism and fear from everything else. Most people remeber the Fall of the Berlin Wall as a great victory over communism, so in the back of the head, everyone would fear another wall. Propaganda can be vague and still get a clear message across. Socialism bad, we don't want another wall like before. Blablabla. Had Obama been born in Alaska, they would accuse him of Russian ancestry.

No propaganda should make sense in at least some form. Just saying no walls is not a clear way of getting a message across and hence fails as propaganda. I am pretty sure they would accuse of of being Russian if some thing else was different, I can see some of the sense there even though even if he was it would not turn out as they think (worst case scenario Joe Biden takes office there is no way any one would even try and reverse Obama's presidency it just would not work). However I digress, good propaganda needs direction as well as emotions or else it does not work. Hell even a picture would have helped it, even if the message it is giving me still is one of confusion.

People think Obama is a socialist because they have no idea what socialism really is, or why they are scared of it really. The whole attitude is rather creepy, either the far end right has gone completely nuts or racism has a lot to do with what is going on. Strangest poster I saw was one saying no socialism and no walls, I mean no walls?

well do you know EXACTLY what socialism is? WITHOUT GOOGLING IT!

Well yes I do, not sure how I would prove that given we are on the internet and I could have just googled it.

It should, but it doesn't have to. Propaganda, especially propaganda rallies are not ment to let you think, they are ment to confuse and bewilder you. No propaganda wants her target to think about it, else it could question its message. Propaganda is directed at your herd instinct - it follows a specific us vs them formula and it wants you to always chose us, because everyone else will - and everyone who stops and questions the message or publicly states that he doesn't understand the content is labelled unpatriotic, or an outsider. One of them, who can't see the truth, our thruth. Why am I even writing this!?

Look, if you stopped and recognized the message for what it is - a load of crap and/or half-truths - congratulations, you are a smart one and you are now on the government list for depopulation - if you didn't, well then you are either to young or indifferent to understand. Also, I advise you to google WWII propaganda posters, you'll see what I mean. Also, Soviet posters rock!