Any ideas for obesity?
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Wait, wait. Reading few of the last posts, it got me to thinking...
Obese = 5kg too much or 50kg too much? Because there is a difference between an obese person and an overweight person. I mean, while one = the other, it doesn't work the other way around. Same as any square is a rectangle, but not every rectangle is a square.
Obese = 5kg too much or 50kg too much? Because there is a difference between an obese person and an overweight person. I mean, while one = the other, it doesn't work the other way around. Same as any square is a rectangle, but not every rectangle is a square.
Don't confuse being "fat" with being "obese", because there's a significant distinction.Gormourn said:
Fat is a few extra numbers on your BMI (not that that's an accurate way to measure health, but anyway..) or flabby sides. Maybe it's genetic, maybe it's caused by bad diet, it doesn't matter. It doesn't pose any immediate threat to your health. Sure, over a long period of time it isn't as good as being fit and slim, but it sure as hell doesn't hinder your life.
Obese is when it becomes serious. Chances of diabetes, heart desiese etc skyrocket, not to mention joint related desiese associated with the higher stress on ones joints (specificially in the legs). One can no longer properly control their appetite and working out is just...well it isn't really an option anymore (weights become physicially awkward to hold, and going for a jog or running is way beyond realistic). The issue is massively blown out of proportion by the media, it isn't an epidemic (at least in Australia), but it is rising at an uncomfortable rate. Most people (especially young people) are a long way from being clinicially obese. Obesity is almost entirely due to already poor health and/or poor lifestyle choices (by lifestyle choices that, I of course, mean a lot more than poor eating).
You're right, we don't. As long as you aren't draining public health funds, causing danger to others (via OH&S) or just generally dying nobody is expecting you to change a damn thing. There's a vast chasm (as I mentioned above) between being "overweight"/"fat" etc and being obese. One is a medical problem caused by years of irresponsibility (among other things) and one is more to do with natural body type and whatever build the masses have decided is "hot" today. You may not bother trying to comform to the britanny spears (or whoever kids are into nowadays) image, but do you honestly think that you would let yourself get to the stage where you physicially couldn't play sport (assuming you wanted too)? When it hurts to walk more than a few hundred metres? When your doctor is begging you to take action so as to avoid serious, long term effects?Labyrinth said:
Seriously, it isn't really that common, but it should definately be frowned upon since it is very preventable.
funnily enough, i'm the exact opposite. i don't exercise and i eat shitloads but i'm skinny as. i bet in a year or two my metabolism's gonna slow down an something's gonna give =PMaxTheReaper said:
but really i guess it varies a lot from person to person. some may be genetic, some may simply be slack or some may have a serious medical eating disorder. so you can't really generalise in terms of your view on large people.
Get a terrible 9-5 job.
Ive always gained weight very slowly ssince being born until recently i got up to 13 stone.
then i got a 9-5 job that required me to get up at 6 and do work and im down to 12 stone and im still eating chinese buffets and stuff. amazing. work can be good for you. and i dont have to exercise. i can just sit on my butt on my 360
Ive always gained weight very slowly ssince being born until recently i got up to 13 stone.
then i got a 9-5 job that required me to get up at 6 and do work and im down to 12 stone and im still eating chinese buffets and stuff. amazing. work can be good for you. and i dont have to exercise. i can just sit on my butt on my 360
"Obese" tags start a long time before the person is struggling to walk up stairs. As I have said before, people who eat copious amounts of crap, sugary food and don't exercise are doing themselves a serious disservice whether they're fat or skinny. The issue with stating that one is a drain on the public purse is that it creates the immediate stigma around fat people when skinny people are doing much the same. Of course being so fat one is unable to move is bad. Being treated like an eyesore and a disease when one is perfectly capable of all sorts of movement, just seen as fat or even obese is also bad.Dys said:
My distaste is for the stereotypes, the tar-brush of "Fatty! Shaaaaame!". Working out what is obese for each individual is worthwhile, but time consuming and costly in a culture obsessed with instant results and pointing the finger.
We ought to do something about you lazy people. Some kind of a lazy camp could be good.dallan262 said:
Cool, that's what I'm talking about. It means I'm not obese, I'm just a bit fat.Dys said:
Plus I'm the first ex-aequo strongest guy in my class and the one we're having PE with. Fat and strong usually don't mix well, but hey, whatever floats... my boat.
1. "Stop fucking eating" is worst way how to lose weight cause jojo effect will make you even bigger then you was before. People who never were fat before will probably never understand that. EAT LESS
2. There is nothing good about beiing fat so there is no reason to consider it nice so i think that swearing or insulting isn't bad but still, its human so dont over do it.
3.Best cure is sport. It can be also done without it but that way is toon long. I used to go jogging. It may be painful at start but leater you gonna enjoy it.
4.Fat people are not always responsible for it. I my case it was my familly, my mother was always making cakes, buying chocolate bars and cola so i get addicted on sugar when i was too young and i didn't care about it. Im not slim but its just few KG extra and im not gaining anything.
Sorry for my english if i wrote something wrong.
2. There is nothing good about beiing fat so there is no reason to consider it nice so i think that swearing or insulting isn't bad but still, its human so dont over do it.
3.Best cure is sport. It can be also done without it but that way is toon long. I used to go jogging. It may be painful at start but leater you gonna enjoy it.
4.Fat people are not always responsible for it. I my case it was my familly, my mother was always making cakes, buying chocolate bars and cola so i get addicted on sugar when i was too young and i didn't care about it. Im not slim but its just few KG extra and im not gaining anything.
Sorry for my english if i wrote something wrong.
Take away their little electric scooters at supermarkets like Walmart, get rid of the value menu at McDonalds because that just says come on in obese people we know what you want! =D
Was going to say Put down the fork but someone else already said it ha ha.
Love the idea about the generators XD
Uhm we could always try the low tech but still effecient plunger on head tied to a twinkee on a string and see where that gets us yeah? ^^
Was going to say Put down the fork but someone else already said it ha ha.
Love the idea about the generators XD
Uhm we could always try the low tech but still effecient plunger on head tied to a twinkee on a string and see where that gets us yeah? ^^
2. Actually, I've read somewhere fat people get to live longer. Also, I thank God I was even heavier when I had a tonsil removal surgery - I couldn't eat solid foods for 2 weeks and if I wasn't burning up the fat in my body, I would've gone mad from hunger. As much as I liked getting food in an IV, the craving kicked in after 3rd day of pain and zero food.Skico said:
3. What about people with asthma, allergies, bone diseases, blood pressure and hundreds of other conditions that can affect your outside/inside activities? Or drugs countering those conditions, that either increase your appetite or decrease your methabolism?
4. Yeah, and some jerks get to be skinny while eating like hell. I know a family, where mother, two daughters and a son eat twice as much as I or my father do (yeah, he likes to eat too, but he's doing sports often), and every one of them is thin like a stick.
Simple solution, huge taxes on anything that contains over a certain amount of calories per serving, lower taxes on fruits and vegetables. It's not discriminating and anybody who might speak out against it saying it does that are clearly the kind of obese that they've inflicted on themselves. Simple
Well, I think that if the scenario when people are going to be penalized or forced to change, it is at the very least going to be due to medical necessity. It is neither feasable or reasonable to expect everyone with love handles or a BMI of 28 (I think 25 was average, but that was a complete guess, so please don't call my up if I've underestimated it) to drop everything and jump on an excersize bike. Nor is it fair or reasonable to judge one based on it (unless you are a medical practitioner telling hard truths that need to be told). The term "obese" may get thrown around a lot, but it's meaning is fairly well defined (at least in a medical sense).Labyrinth said:
I would argue that "skinny" people are putting the same strain as obesity on the public health system. Something like 11% of girls ages between 11 and 14 are anorexic. That's nothing short of disguisting. However I don't think there are any reasonable deterants to stop that demographic behaving in the way it is (other than advertisment and education campagns, both of which are being utalized to some degree). It is far easier to slap on an extra 50% tax on "fatty" foods or subsidize personal trainers (or lifestyle assistants, whatever, I can't actually imagine personal trainers being useful) for people in an older demographic who are aware that their health is failing.
As for disliking the steriotypes, I again would have to agree. But I would go on to say that society owes nothing to those who are unwilling to help themselves (or nothing more than we do anyone else), and given that the people who are statisticially rated as obese must have been medicially diagnosed at some point one would assume that ignorance is no excuse. Rather than pushing expensive and largely ineffective medication on people, rather than snapping our fingers and expecting results maybe we should (slowly) move them towards healthy lifestyles? The PBS (pharmacutical benifets scheme) costs taxpayers a lot, and I (and probably nobody else) would much rather see more money being spent effectively (on appropriate facilties being affordably availableto those who want to excersize and subsidized fruit, vegtables and lean meats for those with healthcare cards).
You are right that Thin is not synonymous with being healthy. Just because someone is thin doesn't mean anything about their health. You are incorrect about the first part. Being overweight is unhealthy.Labyrinth said:
3. I ment normal people who are "just" fat but i also said that can be done also without moving and if you got something for what you cant do sports and slow methabolism then i cant help you but its simply stupid to insult THAT kind of fat people
4. My whole familly is fat so they dont bother
4. My whole familly is fat so they dont bother
That is a cool sounding word.ShotgunShaman said:
I always wondered why gyms don't harness the kinetic enegy people spend on their machines. Seems like a waste; like an idling car. I do all my working out at home with no machines otherwise I would do it myself.
Almost every fat person I've ever met really just needs to show some self control, work out a little everyday, and not eat so damn much. That's almost every fat person. Some of them really do have medical issues or take medication that causes weight gain.
I just got this from a sports message board. Kind of interesting and related to the topic at hand. I honestly think we need to find a better way to upping the quality of food choice, educating the poor and lower middle classes on better lifestyles, and change the workforce and school curriculums to include less sedentary activity and encourage exercise. Anyways, my two cents... and here is the list:
10 things you should eliminate from your diet
1) Trans fats
Read your labels! Anything that says "partially hydrogenated" is a trans fat.
Trans fats cause clogged arteries, type 2 diabetes, and other serious health problems. Only cook with organic butter or extra-virgin coconut oil as all other oils will turn into trans fat when used for cooking (including olive oil).
2) Artificial sweeteners
Contribute to diabetes because they prompt you to eat more.
Aspartame and sucralose (Splenda) should be avoided completely due to their toxic effects on the body. Alternatives are raw honey, agave nectar, stevia extract, and xylitol.
3) High fructose corn syrup and processed sugars
Fructose converts to fat more than any other sugar.
This may be one of the reasons Americans continue to get fatter.
4) Soy products
Creates hormonal imbalances in men and women by affecting estrogen levels.
Instead of soy milk for drinks and for infants, use goat's milk. It is the closest to a human mother's milk and is highly anti-allergenic.
5) Pork products
Creates toxic cells. Never meant for consumption.
6) Shellfish
Shellfish are scavengers ingesting countless toxins from the water in an attempt to keep our oceans and lakes clean.
7) Processed wheat and white flour
You used flour and water in elementary school to make glue paper mache hard as concrete. It has a similar affect on the body. Choose sprouted grain bread as an alternative.
8) Soft drinks
Sodas (even diet ones) poison the body. They don't reduce your hunger as solid food does, so your caloric intake is even higher. Regular soft drinks are sweetened with high fructose corn syrup and diet drinks use artificial sweeteners. A great alternative to the fizz you crave is to add fresh lime or lemon to sparkling water along with stevia.
9) Unfiltered tap water
Regular tap water is filled with chemicals and infused with chlorine. Always drink fresh spring water or filtered water and use a water filter for your home (even for bathing and washing clothes).
10) Non-organic dairy and meat products (cow's milk dairy)
Animals that are not raised organically are fed chemical and hormone-laced foods and by eating them, those harmful toxins go directly into you.
10 things you should eliminate from your diet
1) Trans fats
Read your labels! Anything that says "partially hydrogenated" is a trans fat.
Trans fats cause clogged arteries, type 2 diabetes, and other serious health problems. Only cook with organic butter or extra-virgin coconut oil as all other oils will turn into trans fat when used for cooking (including olive oil).
2) Artificial sweeteners
Contribute to diabetes because they prompt you to eat more.
Aspartame and sucralose (Splenda) should be avoided completely due to their toxic effects on the body. Alternatives are raw honey, agave nectar, stevia extract, and xylitol.
3) High fructose corn syrup and processed sugars
Fructose converts to fat more than any other sugar.
This may be one of the reasons Americans continue to get fatter.
4) Soy products
Creates hormonal imbalances in men and women by affecting estrogen levels.
Instead of soy milk for drinks and for infants, use goat's milk. It is the closest to a human mother's milk and is highly anti-allergenic.
5) Pork products
Creates toxic cells. Never meant for consumption.
6) Shellfish
Shellfish are scavengers ingesting countless toxins from the water in an attempt to keep our oceans and lakes clean.
7) Processed wheat and white flour
You used flour and water in elementary school to make glue paper mache hard as concrete. It has a similar affect on the body. Choose sprouted grain bread as an alternative.
8) Soft drinks
Sodas (even diet ones) poison the body. They don't reduce your hunger as solid food does, so your caloric intake is even higher. Regular soft drinks are sweetened with high fructose corn syrup and diet drinks use artificial sweeteners. A great alternative to the fizz you crave is to add fresh lime or lemon to sparkling water along with stevia.
9) Unfiltered tap water
Regular tap water is filled with chemicals and infused with chlorine. Always drink fresh spring water or filtered water and use a water filter for your home (even for bathing and washing clothes).
10) Non-organic dairy and meat products (cow's milk dairy)
Animals that are not raised organically are fed chemical and hormone-laced foods and by eating them, those harmful toxins go directly into you.
