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Therumancer

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Actually I will say that the problem with Obesity is a societal one as much as anything. Despite the stereotype, it doesn't nessicarly happen because of guys eating massive amounts of food. Sure that CAN be a problem, but at the most it's one factor among many.

The truth is that the problem is largely caused by a combination of depression and sedimentary lifestyles. I mean think about it this way. Schools exist to keep children occupied, more so today than in previous years. The focus isn't entirely on education and self-validation but in keeping the kids off the streets for X # of hours a day. On top of this there is the issue of homework, and what are arguably increasing loads. It's not that teachers can't teach people what they want to know in a class, it's the fact that if you give a kid what they estimate are 45 minutes to an hour of homework per class, that's another four hours of work, keeping the kid occupied for 10 hours a day. This is of course taxing, so in many cases you see kids spending 6 hours in class, who knows how long on a bus, and then multiple hours doing homework. This gives people a couple of hours a day, and honestly
anyone in their right mind is going to want to kick back and do something for escapism (TV, video games, whatever) before bed. The result of things working this way? Fatter kids. Truthfully I do *NOT* believe our education system is failing as badly as many claim (I could explain why in detail, but it would derail the subject). I honestly think (at 34) that less homework, a more competitive school system (where some are gleefully left behind ina retard league) and other adjustments would help the problem.

On top of this, you have problems with society with parents being afraid to let their kids outside. With both parents working, and the stress at the modern workplace, it's not like parents can follow their kids around to do stuff safely. Part of the point of TV and Video games is not that they act as "automatic parenting units" but also that they keep kids inside. Oh sure, many parents might complain about them, but by the same token if their kids were wandering today's neighborhoods they would be complaining about other stuff. Either local laws preventing unattended children, or all the nasty elements crawling around the area. In many cases the kid who goes outside to play unattended, winds up on a milk box, and the subject of a streaming snuff flick (okay well maybe that is too far, but you get the point).

When it comes to being an adult, unless you have an unusually active job (most of which you can't support yourself at, the more physically demanding a job generally the less it pays) you basically get to be sedimentary. So you go from sitting in school and sitting at home to sitting behind a desk, working a computer, or maybe doing light clerical work of some sort in a fancy postion. The bottom line is most jobs involve someone being involved mentally as opposed to physically. You do this for 8 hours (or more) a day, plus travel time, plus coming home to cook dinner, and your totally exhausted.

Like it or not that kind of stuff is what the lifestyle in pretty much all first world countries is like, and why obsesity is a problem. The issue is a civilized society more than anything.

Over time I imagine we'll solve the problem, medically if nothing else. But right now we're basically living in a fat farm. Doctors and such can scream "go out and exercise" all they want, but honestly until society changes to allow for it, it isn't going to happen.

To put things into perspecitve, while my job had it's moments, I started to put on serious weight when I was working Casino Security. 99.9% of the job is simply being a dog and pony show, and standing (or sitting) in various locations, or walking slowly around checking stuff out. When I worked back of the house in a monitor room I was even more sedimentary. I came up in a fairly unusual enviroment (which I've explained before) and as a kid was skinny, but as I got older and did less I simply got fatter.

Oh sure, I like to eat, but it's not really the "chocolate cake covered in bacon" stereotype people seem to get into their mind. It's simply that if I eat ordinary food I don't do enough to burn it off.

Also in my case I take medication where weight gain is a known side effect something which has made me bigger and flabbier than I otherwise would be. Not an excuse since the problem was there to begin with, but trust me, I saw a lot of people that started security the same time I did gradually gain weight due to stress and the way the job worked.
 

The Shade

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I'm one of those lucky jerks that won't gain weight. I eat fairly non-stop over the course of my day, but I'm still underweight. Super-fast metabolism.

Of course, being underweight isn't exactly healthy, either. But, as my doctor said, "Better under than over."

Therumancer said:
The truth is that the problem is largely caused by a combination of depression and sedimentary lifestyles.
Dontcha mean "sedentary"?

Though I do agree with you.
 

Kriptonite

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I think that there should be a 'healthy' weight to each height and age. If you are over that, you pay. The heavier you are, the more you pay. It's like a fat tax, for FAT people ONLY.
 

Cixelsid

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http://www.montignac.com/en/la_methode.php

Lost more than 10 kilos (93kg to 81kg) since I started on this diet 5 months ago. Also feeling very healthy and energetic. No calorie counting, just adapting the combinations of foods and staying away from refined carbs and sugars, essentially a low GI diet (so it's suitable for diabetics). A main point in this diet is never to go to bed hungry or deny your body the calories it needs.

The experience also taught me that diet is far more important than exercise when it comes to weight loss, exercise is good, but exercise without a dietary plan will not necessarily result in weight loss.
 

Swaki

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i dont really mind fat people, but we should probably make them go on separate planes and public transportation, like we should whit people whit kids.
 

Toaster Hunter

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The worst thing that ever happened with the health of this country is placing obese people under the Americans with Disabilities act. This gives them the same privileges as someone who is actually disabled. I've seen individuals with broken legs hobble around the store I work at because the electric carts are being used by someone so morbidly obese that their legs couldn't support the weight. I basically justifies their not exercising or even moving.

Possible solutions-
Ban high fructose corn syrup. It's in everything and has no nutritional value.
Place a tax on junk food, a very big one.
Ban drive through restaurants- Studies have shown that people eat unhealthy because it is convenient. Make it inconvenient and it may lose the appeal.
Make fitness and nutrition a mandatory part of the education system.
Have insurance companies limit coverage, just like smokers.


The news today is all about health care. If we Americans could spend a little more time taking care of ourselves, maybe we wouldn't need to worry as much.

Edit: this sums it up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quS1bd-YRIY&feature=rec-HM-fresh+div
 

The Austin

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ShotgunShaman said:
Me and my brother were recently discussing the problem of obesity, and came up with a few clever ideas to help put an end to this "epidemic."

Idea 1: Clothing. Continue to make clothing as normal. But clothes can no longer be made in any size above XL.
Hopefully it would result in: obese people being forced to either lose the weight, walk around naked, or make their own clothes.
My dad wears XXL and he's not fat.

He's just a tank.
A big tank.
 

The White Light

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create a perfect civilization where everyone is born skinny, and if they arent, they are ground up and used as meat.

We could call it Fallout: New Boise.
 

newguy77

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Teach them how to cook. If they can prepare their own meals, they don't have to go to fast food places and deal with all of the side effects of fast food.
 

Pandalisk

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That wont be doable what with this thing called human rights

Instead of people always complaining and trying to "Solve" the problem, why not just educate them and should they wish, try and cut back on their own.

it is their choice, you cannot shove a Policy or Health system down their mouth
 

ShotgunShaman

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My goodness, I'm still just on page two and this is getting dangerously close to a flamewar. Just to clear up a few things:
-The ideas I presented at the beginning were half joking, although I did intend for a serious discussion on the topic.
-I myself am overweight. I'm not talking about a person with a spare tire. I'm talking about 3-4 hundred pound teenagers.
-And I am not not NOT suggesting that obese people are mentally and emotionally inferior (although it's been proven that exercise gives awesome boosts to how your mind works and your general happiness).

And I think we've discussed plenty on how to limit eating regulations. How about exercise? I personally think that a lack of exercise is as much if not more the leading factor than unhealthy food. I also realize that sports aren't for everyone, and unlike eating, exercise is entirely optional for short term survival.
I propose that at gyms, again, such as the YMCA, people who are designated obese have free access to the facilities, and maybe even a few trainers who specifically work with these people.
And how about tax breaks when obese people purchase exercise equipment?


And here's another little tough love statement identical to my earlier one: when people are living on junk food, it's not just their problem, and not just their private business. Lifestyle choice or not, it affects everyone, and it's only fair for everyone to have an affect on it. Our current agriculture system in the U.S. is hurting the world, and it can be directly traced to people who live on fast food (obese or otherwise). So hell, you don't even have to lose weight, but please, at least quit it with the extra bacon?
 

Troublesome Lagomorph

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Haydyn said:
Who wants to see obese people naked? Besides, I'm skinny as hell and my shirt size is Large. Clothing companies are going to make clothes for fat people as long as people are fat.

Why pay obese people just because they are producing a tiny bit of electricity? And if it's that profitable, let fit people do it too.

Here's my idea how to stop obesity: Stop glamourizing the fat. If a TV show is going to have a fat comic relief character, have him die of a heart attack by the end of the 3rd season. Make it okay to make fun of fat people. I've seem people go insane at the slightest comment about obesity.

"WHY DID YOU CALL ME FAT?!"
"He didn't, he just said you don't play Wii Fit any more."

"STOP MAKING FUN OF FAT PEOPLE I'M NOT FAT WAAAAAAH!"
"Okay, if you are not fat you shouldn't be offended."

The reason people are getting fatter is because it's okay for them to be fat. Society lets itself go. I say, we bring in a "nice" form of Natural Selection. Let's bug the crap out of fat people until they lose the weight. Make being fat a bad thing. Rather than fat people dieing, all the fat people get fit.
I think the fat people would end up committing mass suicides if we do that.
 

VanityGirl

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You know what makes a person truly fat?
-Someone who sits at home all day eating junk food and almost never seeing the light of day.
-Someone who knows they have a body weight problem but is too lazy to fix it.
-Someone who can't diet because it's "too hard"

Sorry, I used to be a pretty chunky kid and I found it neither fun or hilarious. I lost a lot of wieght and I feel better, I look damn good and I have a lot of self esteem (clearly).

Obsesity is honeslty a sin. You can't be born obese. You get there through poor lifestyle choices and horrible eating habits.
If you're a few pounds overweight, fine, but if you're 300 pounds overweight then something is seriously wrong with you.
 

Rawker

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ShotgunShaman said:
Me and my brother were recently discussing the problem of obesity, and came up with a few clever ideas to help put an end to this "epidemic."

Idea 1: Clothing. Continue to make clothing as normal. But clothes can no longer be made in any size above XL.
Hopefully it would result in: obese people being forced to either lose the weight, walk around naked, or make their own clothes.

Idea 2: At any given gym, such as the YMCA, have exercise bikes hooked up to generators, obese people can get paid for using these bikes for a certain amount of time.
Hopefully it would result in: obese people get a workout, jobs are created in a bad economy, and a lower electric bill. These machines would also be available for home usage, perhaps with similar results.

Thoughts? Ideas of your own?

And this (hopefully) has the search bar seal of approval. In my ten second scan, I didn't see this thread.
OH GAWD. image the people who feel they don't a problem, so they walk around naked WILLINGLY. *Shudders*
 

Knight of Cydonia

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town with the highest number of overwight people in the uk: Middlebrough
where half of my family comes from and I have to go every year to see my nan:Middlebrough
I can see what your talking about
(no offence to any people who live or have relatives in middlebrough but it's true)
 

Booze Zombie

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Dear world, I can be any fucking size I want and if you don't like it, I shall quite happily repeat your "kind" words back at your tiny, shaved-bird-like self and if you don't like it?

I don't care, because you obviously don't care about me if you're addressing me in such a manner.

But, now I've said my part, on to the subject: There is no problem.
A fat person is fat for a reason, this reason is not because they're fat.

If I watched my family die and became fat because I was scared to go outside and was depressed, you'd have to cure my depression to revert me to "healthy" behavior.

If you want a person to have lifestyle healthiness, you've gotta fix the underlying "problem", not just aim at the fat, the obvious target.
 

Xojins

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I've been trying to convince people that we should just stop making clothes to fit obscenely fat people.