Apple Brainwashes Gay Cure App from iTunes

[Dorian6]

What pisses me off more than anything is how these groups say homosexuality is an illness but whenever anyone says "Hey, It's not a disease, here is my evidence," the groups immediately respond with "RESPECT MY RIGHTS! YOU'RE OPPRESSING OUR BELIEFS!"

You don't have the right to be an ignorant piece of sh*t when the truth is staring you in the face!

Keeping you from oppressing and belittling others is NOT an infringement of your rights as an American!

And just because someone disproves your beliefs, that doesn't mean they're a Marxist-Fascist-Nazi, it just means your beliefs are stupid!

 

[ThrobbingEgo]

The homophobes are the ones who suffer from a disease. A disease for which, unfortunately, there is no cure.

Eh, there's one called, "not being fifteen anymore."

 

[Saikonate]

Let me rephrase my point: Why is it that ANYONE can determine that a issue can not be debated? You say that if I base my point off of "Absurd Religious texts", I am akin to people who deny the heat of the sun?

I don't know that there's a widely-agreed-upon standard for what can and can't be debated, but I think you'll agree that 'debating' whether the sun is hot or not is without purpose, even if that argument fits your definition of the word.

In the sense that you believe things that cannot be true, things that we know to be untrue based on evidence, or things that based on an appeal to supernatural authority, yes, you are akin to people who deny the heat of the sun, that Zeus throws lightning bolts from Olympus during rainstorms, or any number of other equally absurd viewpoints.

I have had this debate before, and my point is ultimately a series of ?why? questions. If anyone from my church said ?Being gay is wrong and a choice. This is not up for debate?, I would have this same disagreement with them.

In that case, you would be correct to do so, since the individual speaking would be entirely incorrect.

 

[2012 Wont Happen]

How about the right to sex with whomever I choose whenever I want it? Even if it's in my neighbor's house or if it's his wife? Do I still have that right if the other person doesn't want it? Why not? I desire it, so it's my right.

Ludicrous argument is ludicrous.

In the case of rape, another person is being harmed. In a case of consenting homosexuality, nobody is being harmed or, even if Christian doctrine is to be taken as true (purely for the sake of argument), then the individuals having homosexual relations are only harming themselves and their own salvation.

Oh, and somewhere in your post you also said that sexual orientation can be changed. According to every psychologist of recognized repute, that is a load of absolute bollocks.

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The homophobes are the ones who suffer from a disease. A disease for which, unfortunately, there is no cure.

Eh, there's one called, "not being fifteen anymore."

Then why are the homophobes more prevalent in the older generations, whereas the youth, more frequently, see the truth that there is nothing wrong with homosexuals?

However, it is true that there is one cure for homophobia that I didn't bring up- time. Eventually, those older generations will be dead. Then it will be our world. Hopefully, a free world.

 

[j0frenzy]

Let's see if I can open up an actual dialogue here without starting a flame war...

I share the basic beliefs of the creator of this app. I believe homosexuality is sinful. That it is a deliberate misuse of the sacred power of procreation. That as part of my eternal significance as a Man, I must choose a companion from among my Heavenly Father's daughters and love her, cherish her, and create the physical vessels of our children with her. Then, the spirits of our Lord's children shall enter these vessels and it will be our responsibility to nurture and raise these children, giving them the best life has to offer. This is the precedent the Lord set forth from the beginning.

Where exactly in this model is there room for homosexuality? And why is it hateful to simply say that it has no place in this model?

Before you respond, ponder this.
Regardless of our behavior, we are all sons and daughters of God. Heavenly Father shall judge each of us according to our faith and our works. Not mortal men, but a perfect and omni-benevolent Father.

As fellow sons and daughters of God, those who call themselves "homosexual" have all of my respect that a Spirit Brother should have for his siblings.

But this does not extend to their actions. When I say Homosexuality is immoral, I mean specifically homosexual acts, are immoral. That does not mean that whoever is doing these acts are worth less or a disease to be destroyed, whether they claim to be gay, lesbian, queer, bisexual, or even heterosexual and experimenting.
What a person intrinsically is and what they do are fundamentally two different things.
Those who misuse and abuse their Sexuality are only hurting themselves in the process.

We are created Male and Female for a reason.

Alright, I accept your point of view, but would like to bring across my own. What if I believe that there is no God or divine creator. What if I believe that all of existence is just a series of random coincidences with no higher purpose. What if I believe that the creation of genders is a part of nature that humans adapted for the sake of some form of genetic diversity and that it is only to ensure the survival of the human race according to nature rather than the cause of some higher being. What if I believe that we offend only other humans when we partake in acts of sex without the intent of procreation, that cannot possibly end in procreation. Now with all those what ifs said, why are your beliefs more valid than mine?

All of that being said, I believe this app has the right to exist. It has the right to be marketed. But Apple is absolutely within their rights to remove it from their app store. Their rights are not being abridged because no government is abridging them. Apple is a private corporation who can set whatever terms they want for people who wish to sell anything on their store. Apple should not be forced to accept every app because it represents some political view. If people think Apple is too liberal and not offering enough Gay Cure apps on their store, then they should stop buying iPods and iPhones and switch to some other multimedia device.

 

[greendrag13]

Is he kidding? Alan Chambers is as "Gay" as the day is long. But isn't that always the way. He's found god or whatever, now he wants to help other Gay men "cure" their homosexuality, too. That is just so freaking stupid. Seriously, this guy is so far back in that closet his ass will end-up in the "Land of Narina".

This guy is a dick. The "Gay Cure", what the fuck? You cannot "cure" being Gay "A-hole". That is you personal, self-righteous, opinion. Just like my personal opinion is? that you're in denial about who you really are and should maybe talk to someone about YOUR PERSONAL issues of a sexual nature. Okay.

My Gaydar lit up like a christmas tree upon seeing that picture.

Chambers is so far in the closet, he's defending Narnia this very moment.

I propose that gays in the closet be referred to as Narnians, because it is silly.

 

[drisky]

Let's see if I can open up an actual dialogue here without starting a flame war...

I share the basic beliefs of the creator of this app. I believe homosexuality is sinful. That it is a deliberate misuse of the sacred power of procreation. That as part of my eternal significance as a Man, I must choose a companion from among my Heavenly Father's daughters and love her, cherish her, and create the physical vessels of our children with her. Then, the spirits of our Lord's children shall enter these vessels and it will be our responsibility to nurture and raise these children, giving them the best life has to offer. This is the precedent the Lord set forth from the beginning.

Where exactly in this model is there room for homosexuality? And why is it hateful to simply say that it has no place in this model?

Before you respond, ponder this.
Regardless of our behavior, we are all sons and daughters of God. Heavenly Father shall judge each of us according to our faith and our works. Not mortal men, but a perfect and omni-benevolent Father.

As fellow sons and daughters of God, those who call themselves "homosexual" have all of my respect that a Spirit Brother should have for his siblings.

But this does not extend to their actions. When I say Homosexuality is immoral, I mean specifically homosexual acts, are immoral. That does not mean that whoever is doing these acts are worth less or a disease to be destroyed, whether they claim to be gay, lesbian, queer, bisexual, or even heterosexual and experimenting.
What a person intrinsically is and what they do are fundamentally two different things.
Those who misuse and abuse their Sexuality are only hurting themselves in the process.

We are created Male and Female for a reason.

Alright fine, we'll open up a dialogue.

I'm a Catholic that thinks we need major reform with the beliefs of sex. The need to create human life is different when we have overpopulation. To many human lives whens people will eventually start dying sooner or expand so much we end up causing a mass extinction.

Also there is little difference between homosexual acts and homosexuality. You said it something that someone is, there for born with it or at least can't change it, therefore made form God, who doesn't make mistakes right. So why would God create people who can not bring themselves to have sex that allows for procreation. If God wanted them to procreate him would have made them want to sex that allows for procreation. If you don't think its a disease to be fixed you shouldn't think its evil, because not having sex isn't going to make any more babies then having homosexual sex. The opinion you have contradicts it self.

 

[jp201]

and while I agree with you, freedom of speech is not a valid argument in this situation as Apple is NOT the government.

Yeah apple OWNS the appstore so they have the right to filter whatever they want.

Freedom of speech has its limitation btw.

 

[blankedboy]

I agree with this app and I am not a christian.

You're still a troll, though.

Anyway, yeah, good thing it got taken down. Not because I'm offended by it or anything, but it's definitely giving the wrong ideas to some very ignorant people.

 

[AgDr_ODST]

change the title and resubmit the app and I'd bet that a good chunk of the whiners complaining about the offensive title will probably download it, and not raise a big stink except maybe by saying its not good or useful

 

[jaketheripper]

While I think Apple can remove the app from the store, I question the wisdom in doing so. To remove a viewpoint (controversial as it may be) is rather foolish, as it draws attention to the issue. Heck, I have seen several apps that promote Cannabis usage, and yet an app to ?cure? gay is not allowed?

Im pretty sure theres a difference between pot and claiming that homosexuality can be cured.....

 

[Saikonate]

I agree with this app and I am not a christian.

...wait... what?

Please elaborate...

He's saying that he is a bigot.

I share the basic beliefs of the creator of this app. I believe homosexuality is sinful...

Naturally, you believe this on Biblical justification. Some of the same parts of the Bible that condemn homosexuality also instruct you to kill anyone who has beliefs different than your own (Deut 17:2-7), that you should put to death anyone who blasphemes god (Lev. 24:16), to stone anyone who gets raped and doesn't scream loud enough (Deut. 22:23-24), kill anyone who breaks the sabbath (Num. 15:32-56) etc.

So either you pick and choose which sections of the Bible are meaningful, and your idea that homosexuality is a sin is just as arbitrary as any of your beliefs, or you've got a whooooole lot of killin' to catch up on.

 

[jaketheripper]

If this app was removed, I expect shortly to see all apps involving anything gay or lesbian be removed as well. Equality is the name of the game.

i dont agree with that, the 'gay and lesbian apps' arent going against anything, they arent bashing straight people, but bashing homosexualtity is the whole point of the app, its sole purpose is to go against gays.

 

[teknoarcanist]

Anyone who finds this app acceptable:

Would you consider a 'black cure' app equally so? 'Asian cure'? 'Female Cure'? Why, or why not?

And for those of you who like to bandy 'freedom of speech' around and sprinkle it on top of any debate tangentially relating to expression and censorship: Go and give that venerable document another look through. 'Freedom of Speech' means you're free to express your opinions without fear of governmental reprisal -- it doesn't mean the rest of the world is ethically obliged to capitulate to your desire to do so.

 

[jaketheripper]

I agree with this app and I am not a christian.

...wait... what?

Please elaborate...

He's saying that he is a bigot.

I share the basic beliefs of the creator of this app. I believe homosexuality is sinful...

Naturally, you believe this on Biblical justification. Some of the same parts of the Bible that condemn homosexuality also instruct you to kill anyone who has beliefs different than your own (Deut 17:2-7), that you should put to death anyone who blasphemes god (Lev. 24:16), to stone anyone who gets raped and doesn't scream loud enough (Deut. 22:23-24), kill anyone who breaks the sabbath (Num. 15:32-56) etc.

So either you pick and choose which sections of the Bible are meaningful, and your idea that homosexuality is a sin is just as arbitrary as any of your beliefs, or you've got a whooooole lot of killin' to catch up on.

That was great. im exited that someone had an agrument with examples to back them up! you get the platinum trophy of awesome

 

[fangclaw]

didn't the x-men have kinda the same problem in the movies?

 

[blindthrall]

It's a faulty product, because Alan Chambers looks pretty damn gay.

Seriously though, gay people are usually pretty good at taking a joke, or recognizing sarcasm. They don't usually get their nipples in a twist over every little jab, unlike religion. So when they complain about something being legitimately hurtful, I tend to take their word for it.

 

[Saelune]

Later, in a statement released today, Chambers further complained about his app being removed. "We are extremely disappointed to learn of Apple's decision to deny equal representation in the public square," he said. "Discrimination of thought and belief obstructs essential dialogue and authentic diversity." Chambers goes on to point out that the App Store contains all kinds of Apps dedicated to celebrating LGBT culture.

....Go fuck yourself. Really? And people wonder why I am so harsh on religion. I cant even begin to say how much this blatant hypocracy angers me! Though not nice, those words I used are a held back response.

-sigh-

 

[Grey_Wolf_Leader]

*snip*

Alright, I accept your point of view, but would like to bring across my own. What if I believe that there is no God or divine creator. What if I believe that all of existence is just a series of random coincidences with no higher purpose. What if I believe that the creation of genders is a part of nature that humans adapted for the sake of some form of genetic diversity and that it is only to ensure the survival of the human race according to nature rather than the cause of some higher being. What if I believe that we offend only other humans when we partake in acts of sex without the intent of procreation, that cannot possibly end in procreation. Now with all those what ifs said, why are your beliefs more valid than mine?

All of that being said, I believe this app has the right to exist. It has the right to be marketed. But Apple is absolutely within their rights to remove it from their app store. Their rights are not being abridged because no government is abridging them. Apple is a private corporation who can set whatever terms they want for people who wish to sell anything on their store. Apple should not be forced to accept every app because it represents some political view. If people think Apple is too liberal and not offering enough Gay Cure apps on their store, then they should stop buying iPods and iPhones and switch to some other multimedia device.

Well, then you believe that there is no such thing as yourself. There is no inherent reason for matter to organize itself or exist as lifeforms. The most effective form of matter is in unorganized clouds called nebulas floating meaninglessly in space. If there is no God, why would there be such a thing as life in the first place? I have hopped about on the Internet, listening to atheist after atheist, and none of them, have ever, ever given me a good reason to believe why dumb matter would have the capacity to act on its own to create life.
But we exist, therefore there must be a creator like an artist who took clay and formed man.

"...Thou hast had signs enough; will ye tempt your God? Will ye say, Show unto me a sign, when ye have the testimony of all these thy brethren, and also all the holy prophets? The scriptures are laid before thee, yea, and all things denote there is a God; yea, even the earth, and call things that are upon the face of it, yea, and its motion, yea, and also all the planets which move in their regular form do witness that there is a Supreme Creator." ~Alma 30:44

Even if you believe that there is no God, that does not change the reality that homosexuality does not fulfill the two basic biological purposes of sex.

1st: To procreate
2nd: To bond male and female together

There is plenty of research and plain common sense which backs this up. Homosexuality does not do these things. Why should society not have a reason to look down upon it?

Apple may reserve the right to do what they want, but they have a moral obligation to respect the right to free speech and, without any government involvement mind you, permit those who may offend people to have their say.

After all, the right to free speech was meant to protect speech people didn't like. Not stuff people didn't already agree with.