Apple Brainwashes Gay Cure App from iTunes

[Waaghpowa]

Homosexuality and Religion are a choice, if someone wants to believe they can cure it let them. Curing being black is purely genetic adaptation so curing that would be slapping evolution in the faceand therefore completely wrong.

I wouldn't say homosexuality is a choice, there are plenty of gays who try to go their entire lives as an "ordinary straight person" because society tells them it's they way they should be only to realize later in life that it's not. In their case, it was their choice to try and be "straight" but eventually doing what comes naturally instead. I think the only reason people think it looks like a choice comes down to the expectations of society and their attempt to meet those expectations.

Religion isn't so much a choice either if you live in a heavily religious family who's very zealous nature is stifling and punishes them for thinking differently.

 

[Zaik]

Gays got trolled on itunes. Lol.

That's...what, half of their customers? Of course it's going to get removed, regardless of whether it was intentionally offensive or it's the usual oversensitivity.

 

[Drake_Dercon]

Why?

Because it would be akin to me "debating" with someone that the surface of the sun is warmer than my living room. The opposition's viewpoint doesn't matter because it is factually incorrect. There are no pros and cons to be discussed, there are no issues to be weighed. We're not discussing foreign policy here, one side is just suffering from a delusion.

Homosexuality isn't a medical condition, it's a life choice

Perhaps you've just poorly worded this, but people do not choose to be gay in the way this reads.

"One Side is suffering from a delusion"? If someone stated that the surface of the sun was not warmer than your living room, you should have no problem presenting evidence counter to them. That is my ultimate point in all this. Why is it that anyone can decide that an issue is not up for debate?

There is a difference between a celebration of diversity, offering nothing against anyone and hate speech. I refer to it with such strong phrasing because of the great number of suicides that have been caused by such a mindset.

An app such as this only serves to propagate that mindset or piss of the people that think it will, either way, there is no positive effect to having an object of discrimination appear in a privately owned store with clear rules against it (and I will debate you that). Apple has the right to refuse anything they want to and if a cure heterosexuality app appeared I'd support their removal of it as well. This is worse, however, because people have killed themselves over the idea that homosexuality should be repressed and "cured", if possible. It should be made very clear that society as a whole does not tolerate hatred towards any group, regardless of your opinion (honestly I don't see why there are christians saying homosexuality is wrong, but that's another topic; suffice to say that I did some research out of curiosity once) originating in faith or otherwise.

It is your freedom to think what you think, it is your freedom to speak what you will. It is not your freedom to sell the cause of suicide when there is no proven productive use for it.

 

[drisky]

Eh, apples store, apple can choose what to host.

Although removing something simply because it might offend people is just silly >.> Grow up guys

Yeah this is kind of my thoughts, but apple has to protect their image so damage control is necessary before it would have blown way out of proportion. Also we know these things don't work, no one has been turned straight thorough the power of God and when you and only ends up hurting people, that in it self is a good enough reason to take it down. It can go far beyond just being offensive.

 

[Broken Boy]

Homosexuality and Religion are a choice, if someone wants to believe they can cure it let them. Curing being black is purely genetic adaptation so curing that would be slapping evolution in the faceand therefore completely wrong.

It must be nice to have all the answers & to know everything from your extensive experience of how the world, universe & human mind works. I had no idea in all the time I have spent over the years contemplating these very subjects that I had a choice not to be Bisexual.

Now that aside in my opinion sexual preference is no more a choice than being able to pick the color of your skin. Just because you were curious at one time & you satisfied your curiosity & decided to be straight. You presume that it is a choice for everyone. I find this kind of funny actually & a bit sad but that is just the way I am.

Don't get me wrong everyone if free to express what they believe in my opinion.

That being said yes I did go off on a bit of a tangent at the beginning of this post but at the time I was a little miffed. Now having time to think about it I will apologize for that but I won't remove it. I'm not looking to start a flame war here. I just could not let this go.

 

[pwnzerstick]

I always love how oragnizations like this say that they want equal rights to take away the rights of other people.

 

[freakonaleash]

Is Greg Tito American? Because i've never heard an American say bollocks...

 

[Axelhander]

There are opinions and there are facts.

The following are facts:
- There's evidence both for and against homosexuality being a choice.
- REGARDLESS of the above, homosexuality is NOT wrong and, in and of itself, causes NO harm.

The following is an opinion:
- People who hate homosexuality are likely blaming it for an inability or unwillingness to solve problems in their own lives, and they should find more constructive ways to deal with those issues than making crap up.

 

[mikespoff]

"Ultimately, this issue comes down to what we, as a culture, believe about equality and the freedom to express our beliefs," said Chambers.

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Whether you think homosexuality is wrong or not is up to you, but asserting that it is something which can or should be "cured" is just bollocks.

"Just bollocks" is hardly a well-argued rebuttal to an important issue. The question is one of free speech - will you let other people express their opinions even if you don't agree with them? The developers of that app weren't insisting that it come standard on every phone or that everyone in the world be forced to use it. They were expressing their opinion: that homosexuality is a choice, and that they believe it's a bad choice.

Whether you or I agree with that opinion does not diminish their right to hold it. If they start beating gays in the street it would be a different issue, but as it stands it's an issue of free speech and the right to hold and express opinions. Are you so intolerant that you can't abide anyone who disagrees with you?

 

[funkzillabot]

Is he kidding? Alan Chambers is as "Gay" as the day is long. But isn't that always the way. He's found god or whatever, now he wants to help other Gay men "cure" their homosexuality, too. That is just so freaking stupid. Seriously, this guy is so far back in that closet his ass will end-up in the "Land of Narina".

This guy is a dick. The "Gay Cure", what the fuck? You cannot "cure" being Gay "A-hole". That is you personal, self-righteous, opinion. Just like my personal opinion is? that you're in denial about who you really are and should maybe talk to someone about YOUR PERSONAL issues of a sexual nature. Okay.

 

[signingupforgames]

Is it weird that i'm both happy and sad at the same time?
On one hand, yea! ignorant digital bile is censored so it can make people actually keep an open mind.

On the other, huh we just CENSORED some people that we don't agree with because we didn't want people listening to their point of view.

I'm happy, it's just that i realized my country is becoming a place where you have to accept everybody regardless of who they are. AND I MEAN ACCEPT. not tolerate. ACCEPT. It's getting to the point where people who are uncomfortable with these issues are going to be publicly denounced. (I know I'm defending scum, but still they have the same right to voice their opinions despite what we might think.)

EDIT: I can't actually think up any good arguments for defending these people, other than they have a right to free speech.

 

[Nieroshai]

This app was obviously a publicity stunt.
Hold on, my "know-nothing-about-Christianity" senses are tingling.

I don't think there's anything wrong with this app. If you don't like it, don't use it. I'm not saying I agree with it. In fact, I disagree with it. But people should have the right to believe what they want.

Like all Jewish people should be exterminated? Like all Muslim's are terrorists? Like all black people should be slaves?

Belief an be an extremely powerful thing, so no, I don't think ignorant beliefs should be tolerated.

I hear that quite a bit now, but no one seems able to define an "ignorant belief" to me. Why is it that, for example, your view is fine, but another view is "ignorant" and thus not tolerated?

Simple.

My views are not saying someone should suffer agony for eternity for daring to love someone with the same chromosomes. My views do not spout hate on others simply for being different from me, even when they aren't hurting someone.

If I claimed black people were a "disease" (not that I'd so much as consider it) I'd receive death threats. Homosexuality is pretty much the only area left in the world where it is accepted to be intolerant of it. Despite the fact that it hasn't actually caused any harm to anyone.

If this app was removed, I expect shortly to see all apps involving anything gay or lesbian be removed as well. Equality is the name of the game.

If those apps say that being straight is wrong, then yes.

Sigh... first off, if the author of the app was genuine, he'd know that the Christian God sees all sins as equally detestable. Gay is only as bad as lying, for example, but lying is as bad as murder, and hate and condemnation of anyone is the same, so if he was genuine the app would never exist. Before you jump down my throat, I'm a bisexual Christian who acknowledges his faults and moves on. Also, sexual pleasure is a privilege. If reproduction was a right, which it isn't, reproduction is still more important than the orgasm. So you cannot, I repeat cannot equate homosexuality to race. You can't stop being black, but sexuality can be changed either way by societal and familial pressures. And since sexuality is not a right, I simply can avoid sex, be it hetero or homo or auto(masturbation). It's oh so fascinating that you equate homosexuality as a taboo to the Holocaust as well. I guess this IS a society where absolutely everything we want is somehow a right, and taboos are the height of fascism. How about the right to sex with whomever I choose whenever I want it? Even if it's in my neighbor's house or if it's his wife? Do I still have that right if the other person doesn't want it? Why not? I desire it, so it's my right.

 

[Gennadios]

Is he kidding? Alan Chambers is as "Gay" as the day is long. But isn't that always the way. He's found god or whatever, now he wants to help other Gay men "cure" their homosexuality, too. That is just so freaking stupid. Seriously, this guy is so far back in that closet his ass will end-up in the "Land of Narina".

This guy is a dick. The "Gay Cure", what the fuck? You cannot "cure" being Gay "A-hole". That is you personal, self-righteous, opinion. Just like my personal opinion is? that you're in denial about who you really are and should maybe talk to someone about YOUR PERSONAL issues of a sexual nature. Okay.

My Gaydar lit up like a christmas tree upon seeing that picture.

Chambers is so far in the closet, he's defending Narnia this very moment.

 

[Grey_Wolf_Leader]

Let's see if I can open up an actual dialogue here without starting a flame war...

I share the basic beliefs of the creator of this app. I believe homosexuality is sinful. That it is a deliberate misuse of the sacred power of procreation. That as part of my eternal significance as a Man, I must choose a companion from among my Heavenly Father's daughters and love her, cherish her, and create the physical vessels of our children with her. Then, the spirits of our Lord's children shall enter these vessels and it will be our responsibility to nurture and raise these children, giving them the best life has to offer. This is the precedent the Lord set forth from the beginning.

Where exactly in this model is there room for homosexuality? And why is it hateful to simply say that it has no place in this model?

Before you respond, ponder this.
Regardless of our behavior, we are all sons and daughters of God. Heavenly Father shall judge each of us according to our faith and our works. Not mortal men, but a perfect and omni-benevolent Father.

As fellow sons and daughters of God, those who call themselves "homosexual" have all of my respect that a Spirit Brother should have for his siblings.

But this does not extend to their actions. When I say Homosexuality is immoral, I mean specifically homosexual acts, are immoral. That does not mean that whoever is doing these acts are worth less or a disease to be destroyed, whether they claim to be gay, lesbian, queer, bisexual, or even heterosexual and experimenting.
What a person intrinsically is and what they do are fundamentally two different things.
Those who misuse and abuse their Sexuality are only hurting themselves in the process.

We are created Male and Female for a reason.

 

[ThrobbingEgo]

I'm not a fan of granting crazy people false legitimacy by censoring their shit. Let it exist. Let it be an example of how fucking crazy these people are. And talk about why the homophobes are wrong.

Relying on Apple to be an arbiter on taste and morality is a bad idea. Something I like or believe may become unpopular, but I'd rather see people try to compete or argue with it than blank my words out. We wouldn't want Apple banning LGBT material, or athiestic content, or works of art that happen to contain violence. There are people who are against what you or I may approve of, but wherever Apple's censors may be on these issues - we didn't vote for them. They're not our representative, they're Apple's, and as far as we can be concerned, their moral policies are set in place by chance.

 

[Saikonate]

Why is "tolerating someone's opinion" going only one way in matters like these... there's dozens of things in nature that might happen through genes (if it is a genetic issue... if it is a behavioural issue it is just a difference in point of view), from genes that make some people more prone to obesity or making their skin very sensitive to sunlight, being small in stature throughout their life, mental impairment to growing extra limbs in varying degrees affecting someone's life and in a lot of cases they're searching for a "cure".

It's up to each and either individual to decide how they feel about it and what they want to do about it if anything. They are abnormal in the way of not belonging to the norm (which not being able to naturally reproduce is a part of). Some may feel good about it and in that case hey... more power to them. Others might not and may want to do something about it. In media today that choice seems to be largely one-sided and polarized to one side being "wrong" and the other "right". Ask yourself this, if any of these genes might be found and you had a choice for an offspring to have any of these issues or not and lead a "normal" life (which might well be a possibility soon) what would you do?

The reason that tolerating someone's opinion only cuts one way in this situation is that one side's opinion is incorrect.

Being gay is neither a purely genetic issue nor a purely behavioral issue. Even if it was purely genetic and there was a "gay gene", the medical literature no longer considers homosexuality or transgendered people to be afflicted with a behavioral disorder, so it's not something we are looking to cure any more than being born with dark skin is.

Actually, as many homosexuals as heterosexuals are perfectly capable of natural reproduction. Some even choose to. Perhaps what you mean is that they are attracted to a sex with which natural reproduction isn't possible. Even assuming you were correct in your original statement, if you view things that way, I suppose you also have to view infertile heterosexuals as somehow abnormal and worthy of a stigma.

The people who "want to do something about it" have a name, we call them bigots. Also, your closing argument smacks of eugenics. A more telling phrasing would be to ask "If you had a choice for an offspring to be black or lead a 'normal' life, what would you do?" The problem with the argument rapidly becomes apparent.

 

[Saikonate]

Nobody, in the history of mankind, has ever chosen to be gay? So, irrefutably, 100% of gays were "born that way" to quote a horrid song?

I'm not saying homosexuality isn't genetic or anything. I'm sure the most homosexuals are genetically.... well, homosexual, but you can't seriously think that no one has ever made a "life choice" and decided to be gay, can you? I mean seriously, I've seen it happen.

Yes, I can think that, and no, you haven't seen it happen.

You're conflating sexual orientation with who a person chooses to sleep with. You can choose to lead a gay lifestyle while you're straight, but it doesn't make you gay. Conversely, when a republican politician chooses to lead a straight lifestyle and then comes out of the closet after he's caught with a male escort, having led that straight lifestyle didn't make him any less gay.

 

[2012 Wont Happen]

The homophobes are the ones who suffer from a disease. A disease for which, unfortunately, there is no cure.