Apple Brainwashes Gay Cure App from iTunes

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Panda Mania

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Hm. Was the app earnest? I mean, its absurd title carries an air of attention-whoring, rather than honest concern. As a Christian, I understand the belief this group possesses, but I question the motives behind the initiative. Did they REALLY aim to reach out to Christian-leaning homosexuals with this app? Or was it just to generate a hubbub?
 

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I wouldn't praise Apple at this junture. They've been taking down apps targeted at gay people for no reason like there's no tomorrow, but it took a freaking petition for them to take down one that offended them, which had also been flagged as not offensive at all.

I'd actually prefer if they just left this app over taking the moralist stance they've been taking.
 

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Sanzee said:
I don't think there's anything wrong with this app. If you don't like it, don't use it. I'm not saying I agree with it. In fact, I disagree with it. But people should have the right to believe what they want.
No one has denied their right to believe what they want, or indeed to express such beliefs.

Apple has not banned a book, they have declined to stock a book in their store.
 

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Maybe because the LGBT apps are basically the same as saying "I'm black and I'm proud" or offer something humorous and satirical. The Gay Cure App is suggesting that an entire group of people are wrong and should be 'cured.' It doesn't take a super genius to share the discrimination in this.
 

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HontooNoNeko said:
dementis said:
HontooNoNeko said:
If someone posted an app that claimed to cure the disease that is religion it would be national news.

If someone posted an app that claims you can cure the disease of being black it would be national news

If someone posts and app that can cure you from the disease of being gay it should be protected by free speech?

I do not like double standards especially when applied to large groups of people.
Homosexuality and Religion are a choice, if someone wants to believe they can cure it let them. Curing being black is purely genetic adaptation so curing that would be slapping evolution in the faceand therefore completely wrong.
So assuming your heterosexual when did you choose to be straight? Assuming you hold one religious belief or another, when did you choose your religion?
I chose to be straight when I was 16 after trying both homo and heterosexuality (I was curoius that year). I chose to be an athiest after my 4th year at a catholic primary school when I found that the scientific explanation of the universe made much more sense than the attempted indoctrination.
 

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Please. I guarantee you half as many people wouldn't be claiming "freedom of speech!" if Apple took down an app saying that being black is a disease, or that being a woman is a disease.

Your freedom to punch someone ends when your fist makes contact with their face. The Exodus group has the freedom of expression, but Apple's freedom to control what apps they have in the store has more weight.
 

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Jezzer said:
You're free to make whatever apps you want. That doesn't mean Apple is obligated to host them. You can believe whatever crazy thing you want, but nobody is guaranteeing you an audience to share the lunacy. Before anybody gets started on First Amendment rights, the First Amendment protects your speech from the GOVERNMENT, not from the world at large.
Quoted for truth.

Also, this app was horrifically offensive. Crap like this deserves to be destroyed.
 

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Damn right! Freedom for every one...except If we don't agree with their message.

Freedom the ultimate illusion, Freedom True freedom is only possible in an anarchist society freedom cannot survive the wages of civilization some freedoms must be given up to gain a civilized culture.
But people will still remain delusional cry out freedom then decide that some folks don't deserve it because they don't agree with their message.
 

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"Discrimination of thought and belief obstructs essential dialogue and authentic diversity."

what a f***ing hypocrite, thats exactly what he's doing with this stupid app. he's the one restricting thought, not apple.

did Jesus ever once say that homosexuals were bad? no that was saint Paul, and he didn't even know Jesus.
 

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HontooNoNeko said:
If someone posted an app that claimed to cure the disease that is religion it would be national news.

If someone posted an app that claims you can cure the disease of being black it would be national news

If someone posts and app that can cure you from the disease of being gay it should be protected by free speech?

I do not like double standards especially when applied to large groups of people.
I was reluctant to post afraid I might not be able to keep control of myself about this issue. Being apart of the B & T in the LGBT I will admit this had me very angry.

I want to thank HontooNoNeko for putting down so clearly what my rant would have been about. I am not trying to take any credit for this just saying that this is my view as well.

All members of the LGBT have a long way to go I have posted this vid before but I think it applies to this thread so I will post it again.

 

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HontooNoNeko said:
If someone posted an app that claimed to cure the disease that is religion it would be national news.

If someone posted an app that claims you can cure the disease of being black it would be national news

If someone posts and app that can cure you from the disease of being gay it should be protected by free speech?

I do not like double standards *especially when applied to large groups of people*.
Kinda invalidates your point, doesn't it?
On a serious note, if there was a group that believed religion was an irrationality behavior brought on by an irregularity of the mind, they could very well try to find a cure.
And being black, according to the theory of evolution, is technically a genetic condition(more pigment to deal with more sun, evolved over thousands of years.) If you want to call it a disease, you could market skin bleach as a 'cure'.

The Almighty Grigard said:
I just can't believe some people in this thread. What f I made an app called Women's rights are the plague? What if I designed it so that it would teach women of the virtues of behaving like Victorian Era women with no right of ownership, no right to work, no right to vote etc? I would be called a bigot, a sexist and some other mean words.
The differences here are
1) gender is a visable, physical difference, whereas homosexuality is behavioral, and so harder to understand.
2) No one is trying to stop gay people from doing anything a "normal" human being is entitled to do.
3) Women's equality is well-enough entrenched that people would thing you were being silly, whereas homosexuality is not as broadly accepted. (This one is a bad thing.)
 
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bobknowsall said:
Seems reasonable enough. Pity it slipped through the net in the first place, really.

Disagreeing with gay culture is one thing, but claiming homosexuality is a disease? That's going a bit too far.
I would say that to a much lesser extent. Disagreeing with homosexuality should always be allowed, it's merely being allowed to think for yourself, but discriminating against it by saying that it's a disease is not and never should be allowed. There'll always be these kind of apps that slip through, can't be helped, at least they dealt with it in an appropriate manor.
 

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Apple's distribution network, Apple's choice. It ultimately comes down to their bottom line; homosexuals don't want this App and they're a big consumer base. Apple would lose customers, no matter what side they chose, and they went with what appeared less likely to lose them more customers.

Honestly, it's not a huge issue. It's just Apple making a business decision. There's no argument about Freedom of Speech when you're talking about private property.

Now, if this was a public-owned property that refused to let these people hold a little rally stating their opinions, that's another story entirely. It's not, though, so it isn't.
 

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I can see the development of this app in 4 different ways. The first (not necessarily the more likely) is that somebody thought "There's probably someone out there who is attracted to the same sex, but doesn't want to be that way. I'll make an app to try to help that person", and then they found out how tragically awful they were at picking names. In that case, it's a misunderstanding. All that comes from the incident is more proof that people react quickly and violently whenever homosexuality is discussed.

The second is homophobia, which seems to be the immediate assumption of people on these forums. It's completely possible that the creator of this app simply haetz teh gayz. If that's the truth, then we all know how to handle trolls.

The third is a belief that homosexuality is wrong, but instead of immediately condemning homosexuals, this person tried to play Missionary to the Gays, and contemporary culture labeled him with another "-ist" or "-phobe", as it is so quick to do. I don't think that's what happened, but if it is, then contemporary culture is not nearly as tolerant as it believes itself to be.

Personally, I believe this was a failed attempt to cast a large, popular company often associated with the left wing to be radically intolerant of anything besides spoon-fed Socialist, atheist, amoral, hippie, homo, yuppie... you know how the reactionary right would have reacted. The guy is trying to save the sinking ship of his smear campaign. This is pretty much the only topic today that cannot be proven "right" one way or the other, because it is entirely a personal belief. Since he is with a Christian group, there's nothing to be said about him that hasn't been said before, so he really had nothing to lose in the attempt to make one of the most well-known companies of the day look like it's run by Marx's great-great-grandchildren.

Apple was kind of hamstrung by its own customers in their decision to remove the app. If the wrong person had seen "Gay Cure" on the App Store, then it could have caused a shitstorm among the overwhelmingly left-leaning youth making up a large section of their consumer base. Considering that Apple is a private entity with complete control over what goes into its store, it was demonstrably 100% justified in taking the app down. If it wanted, Apple could take Angry Birds off of the store. If it was conclusively shown that profits would increase by doing so, then it would disappear. There is no issue of Constitutional rights here. Someone before me said that the First Amendment only applies with regards to government entities, and they're completely right. Try spouting anti-gun rhetoric at a firing range. See what happens.

To offer a final opinion, I'd say the best thing to do here is ignore this. I don't usually endorse ignoring anything, but this would just be butting heads again in a debate that will endure until every last human is dead.
 

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godfist88 said:
"Discrimination of thought and belief obstructs essential dialogue and authentic diversity."

what a f***ing hypocrite, thats exactly what he's doing with this stupid app. he's the one restricting thought, not apple.

did Jesus ever once say that homosexuals were bad? no that was saint Paul, and he didn't even know Jesus.
Restricting thought? By what, exactly? Trying to help the portion of the homosexual population that wants a cure to find one? Is it wrong to search for a cure to something you believe is a malady?

And, on a more particular note, why do you erroneously conflate this app's focus on homosexuality with the belief (as held by, say, Westborough) that homosexuals are evil? You may need to do a bit of research on that topic - very few Christians believe that homosexuals are any more evil than any other person (including ourselves), and our beliefs regarding homosexuality are completely separate from that discussion. I'm afraid your anti-Christian worldview has put you at a disadvantage here - you seem intent on believing that most Christians are hate-mongering hypocrites who use the Bible as a weapon against people who are different - whereas I can tell you, from experience, from doctrine, and from common sense, that this could not be farther from the truth.

More generally:

What I see here is very simple: it is now illegal (by Apple's rules) to say anything negative about homosexuality. You can't say it's wrong, you can't say it's a problem, you can't say it's an illness. And there are a good potion of Americans who think that it's beyond approach - that it deserves sanctity alongside gender and race rights. No discussion, no debate, no questioning the Word of Truth - that's "just the way it is." And mark my words, if this comes to pass on a wider scale the freedom of religion and the freedom of belief will be destroyed.

This decision was unquestionably anti-democratic - equivalent to banning the sale of any Bibles with more than 21 verses in Leviticus 18.

...Or, to turn it around, equivalent to a Christian government banning Richard Dawkins' work from publication.

I don't care what you think of homosexuality, or of Christians. This is beyond that. This is, quite literally, one group forcibly silencing another group's dissenting opinion.
 

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TheYellowCellPhone said:
When 140,000 people say they want to see the removal of your app that's been up for around a month...

...Eh, you've got a problem.
That really doesn't mean much. You could probably collect 140,000 signatures from people saying that the earth is still flat without putting in too much effort.