Not dead...The world has just all acquired the ADD perk in Fallout 3 and could give a shit less anymore.
Are JRPG´s dead?
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In my opinion JRPGs were great at a time when resources were low for games to run on... I'm pretty sure what Yahtzee said about Point and Click Adventure Games in GameDamage applies to JRPGs. They're more story-based than anything, using simpler mechanics for gameplay to allow for such story.
It's just unfortunate that unlike point and click adventure games, the JRPG genre hasn't evolved that much... Specifically in the FF games where only FFXII has had a different battle style, where FFI through X are basically the same with a few slight modifications between each one.
It's just unfortunate that unlike point and click adventure games, the JRPG genre hasn't evolved that much... Specifically in the FF games where only FFXII has had a different battle style, where FFI through X are basically the same with a few slight modifications between each one.
complex story and complex gameplay are not necessarily mutually exclusive. game designers and directors just tend to have more experience in one area or the other, so that's what they emphasize in their games. Final Fantasy VII became legendary because it used the then-cutting edge resources of the playstation to reinvent the JRPG. the story was ancillary to that, although square also used the new technology to create some truly memorable cutscene images.RYjet911 said:
this is a bit like saying FPSes haven't evolved much because they all have the same battle system. not to mention it ignores games like Final Fantasy Tactics, which had battle systems that were so different they weren't part of the numbered series.RYjet911 said:
Hmm, what, did we ban the last guy who was complaining about Japanese RPGs and he decided to start an alt where he complains about them again because his doing so before was the most amusing thing he had done in awhile?
Nope, he wasn't banned [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.82023?page=1]. I guess this is just a coincidence.
So... JRPGs... dead?
Get back to me when that doesn't refer to something as silly as "RPGs made in Japan." It's like me suggesting that First Person Shooters made in the USA are dead because there's so many crappy derivatives out there. Frankly, the overwhelming presence of the derivatives is a sign that the genre is doing just fine in that country, because if it wasn't, there wouldn't be so many vultures flying about trying to jump in the train to Success Town.
Nope, he wasn't banned [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.82023?page=1]. I guess this is just a coincidence.
So... JRPGs... dead?
Get back to me when that doesn't refer to something as silly as "RPGs made in Japan." It's like me suggesting that First Person Shooters made in the USA are dead because there's so many crappy derivatives out there. Frankly, the overwhelming presence of the derivatives is a sign that the genre is doing just fine in that country, because if it wasn't, there wouldn't be so many vultures flying about trying to jump in the train to Success Town.
Level caps and monster limits DO stop the grinding.In most Western RPGs both of these problem do appear. When I'm bored i'll brake out Final Fantasy 8 and grind the training room.cobra_ky said:
Most RPGs from Japan are different from other RPGs but simular enough to be called their own subgenre. There's a really big difference between JRPGs and WRPGs. To put it in very simple terms, JRPG stats are most likely Attack, Defence, Magic ATK, Magic DEF,Hit and evasion. While WRPG stats are most likely Strength, Agility, Inteligence, Constitution, Willpower and Charisma (Based off DnD and other Pencil and Paper RPGs).Jerakal said:
And the whole JRPGs are usually linear while WRPGs are more open ended.
So I think that an RPG from Japan can be considered a WRPG (Etrian Odyssey for example) and an RPG from the West could be considered a JRPG.
No, Metal Gear Solid isn't an RPG, it's a "third person, stealth, action" title. An RPG focuses on leveling and customizable characters and advanced story development. MGS focuses on the stealth / fighting aspects.Bumcheek said:
As for the death of JRPG's; WRPG's will definitely fall from the genre of gaming before JRPG's. Neither one will ever completely disappear, they are an established gaming genre.
The last JRPG I played through in its entirety was... Skies of Arcadia.
Wait no... FFTA2.
But that was so unmemorable that I almost forgot I even had it.
I do play Disgaea a lot, but that's more of a SRPG and its got a replay value equal to a porn dispenser, where as most traditional JRPGs have the you play them once and your done because you don't want to sit through the level grind for another go at the final boss.
That's why I don't get why people still play Phantasy Star Online... the ORIGINAL one... with 4 levels that have 2/3 variations.
Yay! You beat the game! Now try to beat it on HARD!!! Wow, you beat it on hard! Now try VERY HARD!!!! Crap... you beat it on very hard... WELL TRY TO BEAT IT ON ULTIMATE!!! THE LEVEL GRIND TAKES 5000 HOURS!!! AAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Crap... the battle mode bugged and you retained your boosted level.... ... DAMN IT!!! Well you can play on ultimate again! Try to find the rares with the .00000000000000000000000000001% drop rate! *thumbs up*
Wait no... FFTA2.
But that was so unmemorable that I almost forgot I even had it.
I do play Disgaea a lot, but that's more of a SRPG and its got a replay value equal to a porn dispenser, where as most traditional JRPGs have the you play them once and your done because you don't want to sit through the level grind for another go at the final boss.
That's why I don't get why people still play Phantasy Star Online... the ORIGINAL one... with 4 levels that have 2/3 variations.
Yay! You beat the game! Now try to beat it on HARD!!! Wow, you beat it on hard! Now try VERY HARD!!!! Crap... you beat it on very hard... WELL TRY TO BEAT IT ON ULTIMATE!!! THE LEVEL GRIND TAKES 5000 HOURS!!! AAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Crap... the battle mode bugged and you retained your boosted level.... ... DAMN IT!!! Well you can play on ultimate again! Try to find the rares with the .00000000000000000000000000001% drop rate! *thumbs up*
no. I love em but i haven't had a good one in a while lost odyessy sucked. but hey khbbs is coming so i can wait.
i guess the difference is i view grinding as inherently not fun. either the combat is a chore, and i just do it so i can accomplish my goals in the game, or the combat itself is fun and i don't need any added incentive like experience or items or whatever to enjoy it. in the first case i'm glad to have any excuse to stop grinding; in the latter, i can keep doing it as long as there's more enemies to fight (and i know of very few RPGs that set a hard limit on the number of battles you can fight.)Snakktastic said:
To dissuade a stereotype mentioned on page one, I love me my JRPG's, but there are only a few anime series I can tolerate watching. Not even I'm sure why that is, considering one of the main reasons I enjoy JRPG's is because of the overly complicated storylines.
to me they are dead
and cooked
and served up with an apple pie with a slice of sharp cheddar cheese on top with some vanilla ice cream.
they might make a comeback but they better try to change some things up. the grind is horrible in most of them, but if they would change the scenery (kinda like WOW) and had different beasts for different areas it could make the came more interesting and therefore hold my interest.
Oblivion had a varied landscape if you looked in all the nooks and crannies but the beasts were almost always the same.
and cooked
and served up with an apple pie with a slice of sharp cheddar cheese on top with some vanilla ice cream.
they might make a comeback but they better try to change some things up. the grind is horrible in most of them, but if they would change the scenery (kinda like WOW) and had different beasts for different areas it could make the came more interesting and therefore hold my interest.
Oblivion had a varied landscape if you looked in all the nooks and crannies but the beasts were almost always the same.
