Are men finished? Will our new female overlords be kind?

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amanda-lorian said:
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If women were the wonderful, delectable angels that we sometimes think they are - why would they flock in droves to watch Twilight?
Because, quite honestly, a lot of us women aren't smart when it comes to stupid obsession and some of our infatuations with the human appearance.
Oh I know that, it's just when we see a young girl in glasses playing a computer game then suddenly she's the gestalt of Marie Curie, Florence Nightingale, Marilyn Monroe and our parents.

It's good to know that sometimes they're just as clueless as we are. ;)
That's why when we say "You look nice" we actually mean it. (with the obvious caveat of "You've taken twenty times longer than I ever would, can we PLEASE go and eat now?")
 

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quantumsoul said:
Looks like I need to find a woman with a good job and be a house husband. Good thing I know how to cook. It'll give me more time to play video games, so this could be a good change.
Problem being this:

One of those norms is that men are still expected to be the breadwinner, so even as it has become more permissible, and even desirable, for wives to work, men don't have the freedom not to work. In couples where women earn the bulk of the income and the man is either unemployed or earns a marginal income, the man is bothered because he feels like he should be the man and is somehow falling down on the job. Less well known, but equally true is that women are not so happy about men not being able to support the family either. The woman might feel she has the option to work, but she also feels that the man should make money too. If he's not, she thinks less of him. There is good statistical evidence to support that whether a woman is working doesn't influence the likelihood of divorce, but whether a man is working does. So, to put it simply, the unemployed husband equals divorce and the unemployed wife does not.

Source: http://www.salon.com/life/feature/2011/09/04/marriage_and_race_interview

You're expected to be the breadwinner AND be sensitive, cook, clean, and help out with the kids. Didn't you know? ;)
 

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titankore said:
No men are not finished but I hope that this reversal will lead to some much needed change in gender perception in the US.

One major change is gender traits should not be watered down until each gender is homogenous but instead should be free for either gender to choose. Like men can stay home and raise the kids or just be a house husband, or a girl playing football and working on cars. I am a guy and I like to sew and don't consider myself any less of a man to do so.
And women should be have to fill out the selective service draft card; they've fought for equal military rights; force them to utilize those rights and actually fight for the country if demanded. I recall being quite miffed when I had to fill out that card and my female counterparts did not, despite being able to join the military through their own efforts and fighting to be able to do such.
 

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Lil devils x said:
In Hopi Prophecy, there will be a shift in power in the world. Women will gain power and leadership, there will be a shift to the maternal, and the world will be better for it. Female positive energy is healing, nurturing, loving, caring, touching, sharing.

Women will again regain their role of leadership as healers and use their gentle side, their compassion, and understanding to "nurture" the world back to health.
I wonder, though.

What will we lose when there is this "power shift" - or do you believe feminine power to be superior to masculine power and not just different?

Is all female power healing and all masculine power destructive?
 

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as much as i like the idea of, "men fell asleep at the wheel so womyn are taking over," i dont think thats quite the case
 

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Hipster Chick said:
No, women will never dominate men in a way that remotely resembles the way that men still dominate women. Men will never live in fear of being randomly brutalized by women. Men will never make 25%+ less than women just because they are men. Men will never have their penises skinned and sewn shut.
No, but men will have their entire foreskin removed - resulting in loss of sexual pleasure and nerve endings - in the US when a simple "clitoral nick" as a nod to Muslim religious tradition gets us enraged.

Also, the females earning less than men is a myth. Here's a few sites I listed above:

http://antimisandry.com/feminist-misandry/wage-gap-myth-women-execs-actually-earn-more-than-men-not-less-32408.html

http://unitedfamiliesinternational.wordpress.com/2011/05/02/myth-buster-monday-men-earn-more-than-women-for-the-same-job/

http://mediamatters.org/research/200605160002

And on genital mutilation, if you want to bring that up:

http://noseriouslywhatabouttehmenz.wordpress.com/2011/07/22/cocks-rock-part-five-circumcision/

But... well, there's a lot of circumcision info out there. You can find out yourself that a ritual clitoral nick of a female is far less traumatic than a full male circumcision.
 

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Ultratwinkie said:
I call bullshit for one simple reason:

Women are people.

People are slaves to money, to religion, and to beliefs. They wont subjugate men, they will be too busy worshipping the almighty status quo. Look at all the women in politics, they don't do anything. They do the same thing as men. Basically, when women get to that point, they adopt "fuck everyone else attitude." They wont put other women in power, they are too busy looking out for themselves just like the men are.
Quoted you as you have said perhaps the most intelligent thing thus far of any response, and it gets at my point(s).

Women really aren't much different than men, and replacing misogyny with misandry isn't helping anyone. Women least of all.
 

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I'll try to be nice. "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" as they say. Unless your an asshole. Then kiss your balls goodbye.
 

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Just a collection of some threads/links to showing misandry and the effects of such. First of all:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misandry - Basically, the hatred and dislike of men or boys as misogyny is the hatred or dislike of women or girls. I love all manlike equally and would like to see both ended. To set the record straight.

First of all, the "men earn more" myth:

As much as feminists love to parrot the statistic that women earn only 76 cents on the male dollar, they rarely bother to provide an explanation or solid evidence for this claim.

http://antimisandry.com/feminist-misandry/wage-gap-myth-women-execs-actually-earn-more-than-men-not-less-32408.html

http://unitedfamiliesinternational.wordpress.com/2011/05/02/myth-buster-monday-men-earn-more-than-women-for-the-same-job/

http://mediamatters.org/research/200605160002

Second of all, the "men are allowed to stay at home and take care of kids now and women like it" myth:

One of those norms is that men are still expected to be the breadwinner, so even as it has become more permissible, and even desirable, for wives to work, men don't have the freedom not to work. In couples where women earn the bulk of the income and the man is either unemployed or earns a marginal income, the man is bothered because he feels like he should be the man and is somehow falling down on the job. Less well known, but equally true is that women are not so happy about men not being able to support the family either. The woman might feel she has the option to work, but she also feels that the man should make money too. If he's not, she thinks less of him. There is good statistical evidence to support that whether a woman is working doesn't influence the likelihood of divorce, but whether a man is working does. So, to put it simply, the unemployed husband equals divorce and the unemployed wife does not.

http://www.salon.com/life/feature/2011/09/04/marriage_and_race_interview

Third of all, the issue of education; just one link of dozens:

Boys are getting a raw deal because the education system dramatically favours girls, a leading academic has warned.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1055395/Boys-raw-deal-school-education-tilted-favour-girls.html


That's enough to chew on for now, and answers most every post in this thread.
 

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BiscuitTrouser said:
magnuslion said:
IceStar100 said:
magnuslion said:
IceStar100 said:
Evidencebased said:
vxicepickxv said:
Evidencebased said:
The_root_of_all_evil said:
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Nope.

If women were the wonderful, delectable angels that we sometimes think they are - why would they flock in droves to watch Twilight?
Yup, we ladies are gonna replace all the men with sparkly vampires! 'Cause they are so romaaaantic and pweeeety and seeee--GHERK HURK. ...Ahem, sorry, just coughing up one of my lungs there.

But nah, I'm fairly sure that men will stick around. At the very least we need them for reprodu--

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=asexual-lizards

Huh.

Well, looks like y'all are fucked. We'll miss you! :D
I was wondering what would happen to humanity when the Y chromosomes stopped getting carried on.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4225769
Huh, cool article! I guess I'm not too surprised that the Y chromosome has a way of maintaining itself; I imagine there is too much evolutionary benefit to sexual reproduction for males to just quietly and sadly die out like that. (The Y chromosome is very wee and silly and adorable though. Aww, who's a tiny lil blob of sexual dimorphism? You are! You are!) ;p

That is part of the reason guys tend to be hit harder/more often with some genetic diseases though; if a gene on the Y chromosome gets messed up there is no "good" copy for the cells to use, and the mutation is expressed. So actually it might be beneficial for the Y chromosome to copy its genes, or at least to pare away as many as possible, because there is less opportunity for Y-linked hereditary diseases. (Aw, who's a clever lil chromosome? You are!) ^^
You forgot one thing Mutation are very help too.
all known mutations have severe negative repercussions. Lrn2science.
also: in these articles we are implying that women will begin to reproduce asexually. any takers on a betting pool for that? anyone that stupid?
Lrn2Science I think you made a wrong turn http://boards.4chan.org/b/ over there.

You do relized Evolution is a mutation right. Not ever mutation turns out like sickle-cell.
Posted that for ya. enjoy the results.

also: show a mutation that is provable that did not have a negative repercussion.
MRSA became immune to most anti biotics through mutation.

The blue eyed gene is in fact a mutation, (google it) no one was blue eyed before a certain point where the mutation went endemic.
Speaking of mutation in mammals, but nice try with bacteria.
also, Blue eyes ((such as mine)) are more susceptible to dozens of problems, and how would you possibly consider something as simple as eye color change a positive mutation? In what way is it positive.
 

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gummibear76 said:
Well that article just filled me with rage.

No, men aren't finished, and I have serious doubts about the accuracy of the claims made in the article.
Yeah some of this doesn't seem right. And way to stereotype men there. Why does women starting to become equal to men mean that they'll overtake them? Why does humanity seem to think there must be a dominate gender? Anyway I don't know why it seems to be socially unacceptable for men to stay home and raise kids because I don't think I know anyone who'd look down on a guy for it. Hell if anything they'd admire him.
 

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I REALLY hope this is supposed to be satirical. Because I sure as hell can't take it seriously.
 

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Wait! Maybe this is a good thing?
I mean, if women become the "overlords" then they HAVE to take care of US. We can just sit at home all day and watch the kids. Ever needed anyone to play co-op with? Now you can! Also, all your guy friends will probably not have jobs either, thus more time for football games, lan parties, strip clubs, etc.
And when everything goes to hell, we can blame them! Because they will have been in charge, thus it means that anything and everything that could possibly go wrong, and anything that can be perceived as a prejudice towards other people will be blamed on them! Not us!
YAY!

(JOKING)
 

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magnuslion said:
BiscuitTrouser said:
magnuslion said:
IceStar100 said:
magnuslion said:
IceStar100 said:
Evidencebased said:
vxicepickxv said:
Evidencebased said:
The_root_of_all_evil said:
(snip)
Nope.

If women were the wonderful, delectable angels that we sometimes think they are - why would they flock in droves to watch Twilight?
Yup, we ladies are gonna replace all the men with sparkly vampires! 'Cause they are so romaaaantic and pweeeety and seeee--GHERK HURK. ...Ahem, sorry, just coughing up one of my lungs there.

But nah, I'm fairly sure that men will stick around. At the very least we need them for reprodu--

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=asexual-lizards

Huh.

Well, looks like y'all are fucked. We'll miss you! :D
I was wondering what would happen to humanity when the Y chromosomes stopped getting carried on.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4225769
Huh, cool article! I guess I'm not too surprised that the Y chromosome has a way of maintaining itself; I imagine there is too much evolutionary benefit to sexual reproduction for males to just quietly and sadly die out like that. (The Y chromosome is very wee and silly and adorable though. Aww, who's a tiny lil blob of sexual dimorphism? You are! You are!) ;p

That is part of the reason guys tend to be hit harder/more often with some genetic diseases though; if a gene on the Y chromosome gets messed up there is no "good" copy for the cells to use, and the mutation is expressed. So actually it might be beneficial for the Y chromosome to copy its genes, or at least to pare away as many as possible, because there is less opportunity for Y-linked hereditary diseases. (Aw, who's a clever lil chromosome? You are!) ^^
You forgot one thing Mutation are very help too.
all known mutations have severe negative repercussions. Lrn2science.
also: in these articles we are implying that women will begin to reproduce asexually. any takers on a betting pool for that? anyone that stupid?
Lrn2Science I think you made a wrong turn http://boards.4chan.org/b/ over there.

You do relized Evolution is a mutation right. Not ever mutation turns out like sickle-cell.
Posted that for ya. enjoy the results.

also: show a mutation that is provable that did not have a negative repercussion.
MRSA became immune to most anti biotics through mutation.

The blue eyed gene is in fact a mutation, (google it) no one was blue eyed before a certain point where the mutation went endemic.
Speaking of mutation in mammals, but nice try with bacteria.
also, Blue eyes ((such as mine)) are more susceptible to dozens of problems, and how would you possibly consider something as simple as eye color change a positive mutation? In what way is it positive.
Have you studied biology? Seriously...

I can list a lot from the top of my head:
-Fish to amphibians mutation.
-mutation in bacteria to respond to light
-mutation in bacteria to use different chemicals around them, which the previous generation couldn't.

but you want a specific mammal example:
- humans: sickle cell syndrome, negative BUT renders the carrier immune to malaria, heterozygous people survive better.

Mutations are most often negative, but sometimes that negative is a positive in a new environment.
 

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LiberalSquirrel said:
"Men go to prison?" ...Because there are absolutely no women's prisons. Yes, that is sarcasm.
Another fair thing to point out in relation to male/female prison rates is male/female police officer rates.
 

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magnuslion said:
BiscuitTrouser said:
magnuslion said:
IceStar100 said:
magnuslion said:
IceStar100 said:
Evidencebased said:
vxicepickxv said:
Evidencebased said:
The_root_of_all_evil said:
(snip)
Nope.

If women were the wonderful, delectable angels that we sometimes think they are - why would they flock in droves to watch Twilight?
Yup, we ladies are gonna replace all the men with sparkly vampires! 'Cause they are so romaaaantic and pweeeety and seeee--GHERK HURK. ...Ahem, sorry, just coughing up one of my lungs there.

But nah, I'm fairly sure that men will stick around. At the very least we need them for reprodu--

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=asexual-lizards

Huh.

Well, looks like y'all are fucked. We'll miss you! :D
I was wondering what would happen to humanity when the Y chromosomes stopped getting carried on.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4225769
Huh, cool article! I guess I'm not too surprised that the Y chromosome has a way of maintaining itself; I imagine there is too much evolutionary benefit to sexual reproduction for males to just quietly and sadly die out like that. (The Y chromosome is very wee and silly and adorable though. Aww, who's a tiny lil blob of sexual dimorphism? You are! You are!) ;p

That is part of the reason guys tend to be hit harder/more often with some genetic diseases though; if a gene on the Y chromosome gets messed up there is no "good" copy for the cells to use, and the mutation is expressed. So actually it might be beneficial for the Y chromosome to copy its genes, or at least to pare away as many as possible, because there is less opportunity for Y-linked hereditary diseases. (Aw, who's a clever lil chromosome? You are!) ^^
You forgot one thing Mutation are very help too.
all known mutations have severe negative repercussions. Lrn2science.
also: in these articles we are implying that women will begin to reproduce asexually. any takers on a betting pool for that? anyone that stupid?
Lrn2Science I think you made a wrong turn http://boards.4chan.org/b/ over there.

You do relized Evolution is a mutation right. Not ever mutation turns out like sickle-cell.
Posted that for ya. enjoy the results.

also: show a mutation that is provable that did not have a negative repercussion.
MRSA became immune to most anti biotics through mutation.

The blue eyed gene is in fact a mutation, (google it) no one was blue eyed before a certain point where the mutation went endemic.
Speaking of mutation in mammals, but nice try with bacteria.
also, Blue eyes ((such as mine)) are more susceptible to dozens of problems, and how would you possibly consider something as simple as eye color change a positive mutation? In what way is it positive.
The entirity of evolution? The links we find? Our evolution from mud slug to intelligent mammal. Our brain size and hieght have increased just within recorded memory (eg 4000 years. Seeing how most large evolution takes billions of years and most mutations (99.999%) are bad, i can see why it looks like they are all bad. But they are not. Tiny mutations happen every day. You might have better developed muscles, the rat under the house next door might be a tad faster than its parents, have better hearing, all to a tiny minute detail. Its not like a mutation makes it grow a third leg suddenly, these things are VERY subtle. Usually one amino acid is changed from AG to CT in a chain of millions of amino acids. The change then on the organism is tiny, if not non existant. We have a shit tonne of DNA that doooooes. Nothing. One day we might finish the random chains and make them do something. It might be something cool. A lot of mutations are bad. A lot do nothing. A VERY tiny amount do something, but usually depend on those that do nothing.

Its very likely YOU have some mutations. Somewhere. Very tiny ones. I can almost promise they ALL do nothing. But one day they might, if you pass them on.
 

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The Gnome King said:
Lil devils x said:
In Hopi Prophecy, there will be a shift in power in the world. Women will gain power and leadership, there will be a shift to the maternal, and the world will be better for it. Female positive energy is healing, nurturing, loving, caring, touching, sharing.

Women will again regain their role of leadership as healers and use their gentle side, their compassion, and understanding to "nurture" the world back to health.
I wonder, though.

What will we lose when there is this "power shift" - or do you believe feminine power to be superior to masculine power and not just different?

Is all female power healing and all masculine power destructive?
The masculine and feminine are complimentary, neither over another, though Hopi tradition does place women in a high regard as the leaders of home, family, medicine, and property. Masculine and feminine positive spirits are not destructive, only the negative is destructive.

The paternal spirit is strong, protective, providing and guiding.

It is commonly believed though that men struggle more than women with the fending off of the negative destructive energy and must put forth more effort to do so.