Are men finished? Will our new female overlords be kind?

[Susurrus]

I will read the article fully later but I just want to say from quotes the article seems really sexist and takes stereotypical views of men and women. The reason school systems at least ones that are largely based on 1 big test tend to favour women is that they sometimes shit themselves over it and do an insane amount of work while men are a lot more relaxed about the whole thing. Although that is just from personal perspective.

About exams: I think actually, men tend to do better in one-off exams - women do better at coursework based exams. In the UK, recently, exams have shifted towards being more heavily coursework based, and as a result, women are doing better at them. That's the theory, anyawy.

 

[electric_warrior]

^ to the richest people part.....well maybe they would of been more if they would have gotten to work on the computer before gates and jobs....

Steve Jobs is not even in the top twenty and most of the people in the top twenty did not gain their wealth from computers, the only two women in the top twenty inherited their wealth so barely count at all.

I think this is severely overstating its issue, how can a website created, developed, owned and run by men seriously suggest that men are becoming obsolete? If this is an issue, its because society has become overly feminised and a movement similar to feminism, possibly called masculism, would be required to restore balance. It isn't an issue, however, so there's really no need to worry. We still hold almost all the cards and won't be relinquishing them any time soon.

 

[Cazza]

The ratio of male to female CEO's and other high seating jobs are still heavily held by men. It's going to take years for that ratio to change. Many in though positions feel it's a mens club. In some cases no matter what degrees a woman has she will not get that position.

If in the coming years to ratio favours females more. I doubt the world will change how it spins. With everyone talking about both sexes needing to be equal. Most people even females won't allow women to "ruling" of men. If somehow that ends up I doubtit will last long.

 

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

I will read the article fully later but I just want to say from quotes the article seems really sexist and takes stereotypical views of men and women. The reason school systems at least ones that are largely based on 1 big test tend to favour women is that they sometimes shit themselves over it and do an insane amount of work while men are a lot more relaxed about the whole thing. Although that is just from personal perspective.

About exams: I think actually, men tend to do better in one-off exams - women do better at coursework based exams. In the UK, recently, exams have shifted towards being more heavily coursework based, and as a result, women are doing better at them. That's the theory, anyawy.

Well in Ireland it is the reverse and Women tend to do better in the Leaving Cert which is really just 1 exam with a few subjects having projects and a lot of people agree with me that they would prefer more continuous assessment and think that men would close the gap if they did.

Although aside from that most men I know tend to prefer a lot more practical hands on course than women while women tend to prefer language type stuff.

 

[Tsukuyomi]

I....don't see where the complaint is here. Why does there even need to be a debate? If this is the way the world is going, so be it. I'm male and personally I think we as a gender could use some time being Mr. Moms or what-have-you. Maybe it would kill some of the instincts that we have that fuel...stupider decisions. Maybe if we had a hierarchy that wasn't obsessed with 'honor' and 'saving face' and 'not looking weak', well...it might produce some interesting changes. Possibly good ones.

Personally? Yeah. I'm still going to try my best to find a job and help my family. Will I be completely shattered if my wife makes double what I do? and gets promoted faster than me? HELL no. I'll just be happy that I'm doing what I can.

I just don't see where this needs to be a huge issue. If women start ruling the world? Works for me. Gives me time to learn to cook more, clean better, maybe learn an instrument. Have a better, well-rounded skill-set. I'd LIKE to see how they run the show. Men have been doing it for untold years and so far we've screwed things up pretty good. Is it really just human nature to be destructive and violent? Well, we won't know unless everyone's had a turn in the hot-seat. I say we not freak out, relax, and try and do what humans do best: adapt.

 

[TheDooD]

I can say women are more driven to set themselves apart from the masses, while more guys want to become the best in their collective groups. When it comes to tests and overall how education systems works. I experienced that girls normally go all out when it comes to independent work and or projects yet they normally failed in group work in stuff like that. It was completely vice versa when it came to guys who normally dislike independent projects yet in groups projects they extremely shine. We all work differently just because now women are trying to get into higher places doesn't mean the line of skanks in front of clubs and or in reality TV shows are gonna go away. It goes that same way for guys that like to play video games all the time. that doesn't mean all guys are slobs and or lazy. If we sit down and look at our priories a majority of the work ethic is pretty much the same we all want to do good and enjoy ourselves at the same time.

 

[General Vagueness]

your question isn't clear so I think you're just fishing for rage and assorted emotional responses

 

[Aprilgold]

getting a bit tired of this escapist. up there with starting a thread witth "so"

Theres worse things it could have started with, like But.

Well, if this DOES happen, I only think its because the feminist movement went so FAST that society had to change a lot of things in the favor of woman. Which, for all intensive purposes, would basically happen to men, becoming a endless toggle rope until the referee interferes and cuts the rope equally.

Other then that, fine as long as I can wear pajamas.
*Puts Dog Collar.*
YA NEVER KNOW WHAT SOMEONES INNTTOOO!!
*Audio track ques laughter. =D Ok, I had my fun.*

I....don't see where the complaint is here. Why does there even need to be a debate? If this is the way the world is going, so be it. I'm male and personally I think we as a gender could use some time being Mr. Moms or what-have-you. Maybe it would kill some of the instincts that we have that fuel...stupider decisions. Maybe if we had a hierarchy that wasn't obsessed with 'honor' and 'saving face' and 'not looking weak', well...it might produce some interesting changes. Possibly good ones.

Personally? Yeah. I'm still going to try my best to find a job and help my family. Will I be completely shattered if my wife makes double what I do? and gets promoted faster than me? HELL no. I'll just be happy that I'm doing what I can.

I just don't see where this needs to be a huge issue. If women start ruling the world? Works for me. Gives me time to learn to cook more, clean better, maybe learn an instrument. Have a better, well-rounded skill-set. I'd LIKE to see how they run the show. Men have been doing it for untold years and so far we've screwed things up pretty good. Is it really just human nature to be destructive and violent? Well, we won't know unless everyone's had a turn in the hot-seat. I say we not freak out, relax, and try and do what humans do best: adapt.

Yeah, agree, personally, I like being around a house, and I can't exactly parent well when I have a job, can I?

 

[Daverson]

In Hopi Prophecy, there will be a shift in power in the world. Women will gain power and leadership, there will be a shift to the maternal, and the world will be better for it. Female positive energy is healing, nurturing, loving, caring, touching, sharing.

Women will again regain their role of leadership as healers and use their gentle side, their compassion, and understanding to "nurture" the world back to health.

Ah yes, I too remember when Margaret Thatcher took lead of Great Britain, and used positive energy to solve the Falklands crisis in a manner which was both loving and caring. I look forward to the reign of future president Sarah Palin and hope her superior values will bring about a new age of peace, prosperity and all that jazz.

Sarcasm aside, the idea that a matriarchy would solve all the worlds problems is just as close-minded a view as the idea that a military/religious/aryan/worker's government or any other form of dictatorship will solve all our problems. This isn't a progressive view, it's simply a different reactionary one.

(Though I would vote for someone who promised to bring about a new age of jazz...)

 

[ShadowKatt]

Female positive energy is healing, nurturing, loving, caring, touching, sharing.

Which must mean that Male(Men being the opposite, of course) Negative energy is harming, abandoning, hating, ignoring, distant and selfish. I clearly have not been enough of an asshole in my life, I'm getting it all wrong.

Either that or you need a new prophecy.

 

[ShadowKatt]

(snip)
Nope.

If women were the wonderful, delectable angels that we sometimes think they are - why would they flock in droves to watch Twilight?

Yup, we ladies are gonna replace all the men with sparkly vampires! 'Cause they are so romaaaantic and pweeeety and seeee--GHERK HURK. ...Ahem, sorry, just coughing up one of my lungs there.

But nah, I'm fairly sure that men will stick around. At the very least we need them for reprodu--

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=asexual-lizards

Huh.

Well, looks like y'all are fucked. We'll miss you!

I was wondering what would happen to humanity when the Y chromosomes stopped getting carried on.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4225769

Huh, cool article! I guess I'm not too surprised that the Y chromosome has a way of maintaining itself; I imagine there is too much evolutionary benefit to sexual reproduction for males to just quietly and sadly die out like that. (The Y chromosome is very wee and silly and adorable though. Aww, who's a tiny lil blob of sexual dimorphism? You are! You are!) ;p

That is part of the reason guys tend to be hit harder/more often with some genetic diseases though; if a gene on the Y chromosome gets messed up there is no "good" copy for the cells to use, and the mutation is expressed. So actually it might be beneficial for the Y chromosome to copy its genes, or at least to pare away as many as possible, because there is less opportunity for Y-linked hereditary diseases. (Aw, who's a clever lil chromosome? You are!) ^^

You forgot one thing Mutation are very help too.

all known mutations have severe negative repercussions. Lrn2science.
also: in these articles we are implying that women will begin to reproduce asexually. any takers on a betting pool for that? anyone that stupid?

I wasn't aware that opposable thumbs and straightened spines were bad mutations with severe negative repercussions. Someone get a time machine and tell those apes to knock that evolution shit off, they'll destroy the planet!!!

Captcha: species; rnmeases. I'm not sure what species a "rnmeases" is, but in context that's creepy.

 

[magnuslion]

(snip)
Nope.

If women were the wonderful, delectable angels that we sometimes think they are - why would they flock in droves to watch Twilight?

Yup, we ladies are gonna replace all the men with sparkly vampires! 'Cause they are so romaaaantic and pweeeety and seeee--GHERK HURK. ...Ahem, sorry, just coughing up one of my lungs there.

But nah, I'm fairly sure that men will stick around. At the very least we need them for reprodu--

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=asexual-lizards

Huh.

Well, looks like y'all are fucked. We'll miss you!

I was wondering what would happen to humanity when the Y chromosomes stopped getting carried on.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4225769

Huh, cool article! I guess I'm not too surprised that the Y chromosome has a way of maintaining itself; I imagine there is too much evolutionary benefit to sexual reproduction for males to just quietly and sadly die out like that. (The Y chromosome is very wee and silly and adorable though. Aww, who's a tiny lil blob of sexual dimorphism? You are! You are!) ;p

That is part of the reason guys tend to be hit harder/more often with some genetic diseases though; if a gene on the Y chromosome gets messed up there is no "good" copy for the cells to use, and the mutation is expressed. So actually it might be beneficial for the Y chromosome to copy its genes, or at least to pare away as many as possible, because there is less opportunity for Y-linked hereditary diseases. (Aw, who's a clever lil chromosome? You are!) ^^

You forgot one thing Mutation are very help too.

all known mutations have severe negative repercussions. Lrn2science.
also: in these articles we are implying that women will begin to reproduce asexually. any takers on a betting pool for that? anyone that stupid?

I wasn't aware that opposable thumbs and straightened spines were bad mutations with severe negative repercussions. Someone get a time machine and tell those apes to knock that evolution shit off, they'll destroy the planet!!!

Captcha: species; rnmeases. I'm not sure what species a "rnmeases" is, but in context that's creepy.

I said provable.

 

[magnuslion]

(snip)
Nope.

If women were the wonderful, delectable angels that we sometimes think they are - why would they flock in droves to watch Twilight?

Yup, we ladies are gonna replace all the men with sparkly vampires! 'Cause they are so romaaaantic and pweeeety and seeee--GHERK HURK. ...Ahem, sorry, just coughing up one of my lungs there.

But nah, I'm fairly sure that men will stick around. At the very least we need them for reprodu--

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=asexual-lizards

Huh.

Well, looks like y'all are fucked. We'll miss you!

I was wondering what would happen to humanity when the Y chromosomes stopped getting carried on.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4225769

Huh, cool article! I guess I'm not too surprised that the Y chromosome has a way of maintaining itself; I imagine there is too much evolutionary benefit to sexual reproduction for males to just quietly and sadly die out like that. (The Y chromosome is very wee and silly and adorable though. Aww, who's a tiny lil blob of sexual dimorphism? You are! You are!) ;p

That is part of the reason guys tend to be hit harder/more often with some genetic diseases though; if a gene on the Y chromosome gets messed up there is no "good" copy for the cells to use, and the mutation is expressed. So actually it might be beneficial for the Y chromosome to copy its genes, or at least to pare away as many as possible, because there is less opportunity for Y-linked hereditary diseases. (Aw, who's a clever lil chromosome? You are!) ^^

You forgot one thing Mutation are very help too.

all known mutations have severe negative repercussions. Lrn2science.
also: in these articles we are implying that women will begin to reproduce asexually. any takers on a betting pool for that? anyone that stupid?

Lrn2Science I think you made a wrong turn http://boards.4chan.org/b/ over there.

You do relized Evolution is a mutation right. Not ever mutation turns out like sickle-cell.

Posted that for ya. enjoy the results.

also: show a mutation that is provable that did not have a negative repercussion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CCR5

CCR5-Δ32 is a mutation of CCR5 resulting from a deletion of a 32-bp segment. It causes the receptor to be non-functional. This appears to protect against HIV and smallpox, and is present in about 10% of northern Europeans, and those of northern European descent. It also leaves them more susceptible to West Nile Virus. However, this is not really a problem in northern Europe.

"Not really a problem arghlebrarglekeflargellleee." still, negative repercussion.

 

[nolongerhere]

(snip)
Nope.

If women were the wonderful, delectable angels that we sometimes think they are - why would they flock in droves to watch Twilight?

Yup, we ladies are gonna replace all the men with sparkly vampires! 'Cause they are so romaaaantic and pweeeety and seeee--GHERK HURK. ...Ahem, sorry, just coughing up one of my lungs there.

But nah, I'm fairly sure that men will stick around. At the very least we need them for reprodu--

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=asexual-lizards

Huh.

Well, looks like y'all are fucked. We'll miss you!

I was wondering what would happen to humanity when the Y chromosomes stopped getting carried on.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4225769

Huh, cool article! I guess I'm not too surprised that the Y chromosome has a way of maintaining itself; I imagine there is too much evolutionary benefit to sexual reproduction for males to just quietly and sadly die out like that. (The Y chromosome is very wee and silly and adorable though. Aww, who's a tiny lil blob of sexual dimorphism? You are! You are!) ;p

That is part of the reason guys tend to be hit harder/more often with some genetic diseases though; if a gene on the Y chromosome gets messed up there is no "good" copy for the cells to use, and the mutation is expressed. So actually it might be beneficial for the Y chromosome to copy its genes, or at least to pare away as many as possible, because there is less opportunity for Y-linked hereditary diseases. (Aw, who's a clever lil chromosome? You are!) ^^

You forgot one thing Mutation are very help too.

all known mutations have severe negative repercussions. Lrn2science.
also: in these articles we are implying that women will begin to reproduce asexually. any takers on a betting pool for that? anyone that stupid?

Lrn2Science I think you made a wrong turn http://boards.4chan.org/b/ over there.

You do relized Evolution is a mutation right. Not ever mutation turns out like sickle-cell.

Posted that for ya. enjoy the results.

also: show a mutation that is provable that did not have a negative repercussion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CCR5

CCR5-Δ32 is a mutation of CCR5 resulting from a deletion of a 32-bp segment. It causes the receptor to be non-functional. This appears to protect against HIV and smallpox, and is present in about 10% of northern Europeans, and those of northern European descent. It also leaves them more susceptible to West Nile Virus. However, this is not really a problem in northern Europe.

"Not really a problem arghlebrarglekeflargellleee." still, negative repercussion.

Ah. So you want something that only provides benefits, no matter what environment the subject is placed in. Doesn't work that way. You become more fit for the environment you're in. Increased susceptibility to West Nile Virus is not a negative effect if you're in an area that doesn't have West Nile Virus. Also, our ancestors didn't have opposable thumbs. Therefore, they are a mutation. Can you think of a disadvantage o them.

 

[magnuslion]

(snip)
Nope.

If women were the wonderful, delectable angels that we sometimes think they are - why would they flock in droves to watch Twilight?

Yup, we ladies are gonna replace all the men with sparkly vampires! 'Cause they are so romaaaantic and pweeeety and seeee--GHERK HURK. ...Ahem, sorry, just coughing up one of my lungs there.

But nah, I'm fairly sure that men will stick around. At the very least we need them for reprodu--

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=asexual-lizards

Huh.

Well, looks like y'all are fucked. We'll miss you!

I was wondering what would happen to humanity when the Y chromosomes stopped getting carried on.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4225769

Huh, cool article! I guess I'm not too surprised that the Y chromosome has a way of maintaining itself; I imagine there is too much evolutionary benefit to sexual reproduction for males to just quietly and sadly die out like that. (The Y chromosome is very wee and silly and adorable though. Aww, who's a tiny lil blob of sexual dimorphism? You are! You are!) ;p

That is part of the reason guys tend to be hit harder/more often with some genetic diseases though; if a gene on the Y chromosome gets messed up there is no "good" copy for the cells to use, and the mutation is expressed. So actually it might be beneficial for the Y chromosome to copy its genes, or at least to pare away as many as possible, because there is less opportunity for Y-linked hereditary diseases. (Aw, who's a clever lil chromosome? You are!) ^^

You forgot one thing Mutation are very help too.

all known mutations have severe negative repercussions. Lrn2science.
also: in these articles we are implying that women will begin to reproduce asexually. any takers on a betting pool for that? anyone that stupid?

Lrn2Science I think you made a wrong turn http://boards.4chan.org/b/ over there.

You do relized Evolution is a mutation right. Not ever mutation turns out like sickle-cell.

Posted that for ya. enjoy the results.

also: show a mutation that is provable that did not have a negative repercussion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CCR5

CCR5-Δ32 is a mutation of CCR5 resulting from a deletion of a 32-bp segment. It causes the receptor to be non-functional. This appears to protect against HIV and smallpox, and is present in about 10% of northern Europeans, and those of northern European descent. It also leaves them more susceptible to West Nile Virus. However, this is not really a problem in northern Europe.

"Not really a problem arghlebrarglekeflargellleee." still, negative repercussion.

Ah. So you want something that only provides benefits, no matter what environment the subject is placed in. Doesn't work that way. You become more fit for the environment you're in. Increased susceptibility to West Nile Virus is not a negative effect if you're in an area that doesn't have West Nile Virus. Also, our ancestors didn't have opposable thumbs. Therefore, they are a mutation. Can you think of a disadvantage o them.

Implying provability.

 

[nolongerhere]

(snip)
Nope.

If women were the wonderful, delectable angels that we sometimes think they are - why would they flock in droves to watch Twilight?

Yup, we ladies are gonna replace all the men with sparkly vampires! 'Cause they are so romaaaantic and pweeeety and seeee--GHERK HURK. ...Ahem, sorry, just coughing up one of my lungs there.

But nah, I'm fairly sure that men will stick around. At the very least we need them for reprodu--

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=asexual-lizards

Huh.

Well, looks like y'all are fucked. We'll miss you!

I was wondering what would happen to humanity when the Y chromosomes stopped getting carried on.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4225769

Huh, cool article! I guess I'm not too surprised that the Y chromosome has a way of maintaining itself; I imagine there is too much evolutionary benefit to sexual reproduction for males to just quietly and sadly die out like that. (The Y chromosome is very wee and silly and adorable though. Aww, who's a tiny lil blob of sexual dimorphism? You are! You are!) ;p

That is part of the reason guys tend to be hit harder/more often with some genetic diseases though; if a gene on the Y chromosome gets messed up there is no "good" copy for the cells to use, and the mutation is expressed. So actually it might be beneficial for the Y chromosome to copy its genes, or at least to pare away as many as possible, because there is less opportunity for Y-linked hereditary diseases. (Aw, who's a clever lil chromosome? You are!) ^^

You forgot one thing Mutation are very help too.

all known mutations have severe negative repercussions. Lrn2science.
also: in these articles we are implying that women will begin to reproduce asexually. any takers on a betting pool for that? anyone that stupid?

Lrn2Science I think you made a wrong turn http://boards.4chan.org/b/ over there.

You do relized Evolution is a mutation right. Not ever mutation turns out like sickle-cell.

Posted that for ya. enjoy the results.

also: show a mutation that is provable that did not have a negative repercussion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CCR5

CCR5-Δ32 is a mutation of CCR5 resulting from a deletion of a 32-bp segment. It causes the receptor to be non-functional. This appears to protect against HIV and smallpox, and is present in about 10% of northern Europeans, and those of northern European descent. It also leaves them more susceptible to West Nile Virus. However, this is not really a problem in northern Europe.

"Not really a problem arghlebrarglekeflargellleee." still, negative repercussion.

Ah. So you want something that only provides benefits, no matter what environment the subject is placed in. Doesn't work that way. You become more fit for the environment you're in. Increased susceptibility to West Nile Virus is not a negative effect if you're in an area that doesn't have West Nile Virus. Also, our ancestors didn't have opposable thumbs. Therefore, they are a mutation. Can you think of a disadvantage o them.

Implying provability.

So what. Are you implying that every one of our ancestors, right back to the first cells to exist, had thumbs, or that humans have never evolved. I'd just like to know your position on the subject.

 

[MelasZepheos_v1legacy]

Women now earn the majority of college degrees. Men play video games. Women thrive in information-age jobs. Men go to prison. Women hold families together. Men watch football. On Tuesday, Sept. 20, the Slate/Intelligence Squared U.S. live debate series will ask and answer a fundamental question about modern society: Are men finished?

This is about the single most retarded thing I have read in a good long while, and only a few months ago I was reading primary school children's creative writing.

I understand the attempt at persuasive writing, but could they at least try and have a sense of subtlety?

Women now earn the majority of college degrees. Men play video games.

These two statements are entirely mutually exclusive. Playing video games has nothing to do with having a college degree. I have a 2:2 from lancaster University in Britain and during my tenure at university I played videogames every single day. I have been playing video games since I was seven years old but I have been in the top five to one percent of the country in terms of test scores since I was eleven.

Secondly, what does earning college degrees actually have to do with anything? Since leaving university I have applied for somewhere approaching 100 jobs, and of that about 20 of them required a degree. These weren't jobs such as shelf stacker at Waitrose or telesales rep, these were management training schemes, bottom rung of the corporate ladder marketing jobs. And they didn't require degrees. Why? Because unless you have a practical degree then there is often little to differentiate two people aside from 'one went to college and the other didn't.' It's about life experiences, not qualifications. (to an extent)

Women thrive in information-age jobs. Men go to prison.

Yes, because women don't go to prison. And the majority of FTSE 100 companies don't have male CEOs. I'm not even going to argue this one further because not only is it qualitative knowledge, not quantitative, it is also just outright untrue.

Women hold families together. Men watch football.

Fuck this opinion so hard it gets sent all the way back to the backwards past it belongs in. Men are capable of holding families together, and to say anything else disrespects men to the point where it is just as sexist an opinion of men as it is of women. And once more, as above, watching football has nothing to do with their ability to raise children. My father loves football, so does my sister, they watch the football together every Saturday while my mother and I find other things to do.

Are men finished?

Maybe the patriachal society is dying (and good riddance) but why does this automatically equate to women in charge?

Aside from knee jerk idiots still clinging to a misogynistic viewpoint of the world which was out of date fifty years ago, we are hopefully moving towards a more enlightened society. Just as soon as we can euthanise everyone who spouts these opinions, male or female, then we can start getting somewhere.

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

Female positive energy is healing, nurturing, loving, caring, touching, sharing.

Which must mean that Male(Men being the opposite, of course) Negative energy is harming, abandoning, hating, ignoring, distant and selfish. I clearly have not been enough of an asshole in my life, I'm getting it all wrong.

Either that or you need a new prophecy.

LOL silly, men and women are not opposites. They are complimentary, also we beileve people can contain both both masculine and feminine spirits and contain any combination in between. We just believe the natural energy has shifted from the masculine to the feminine, which will have an impact on both men and women.

 

[The Gnome King]

Taht article in the daily mail is intirely subjective. Each and every child does not learn in the exact same way, regardless of gender. And education in the past has always been aimed at men, and this is just giving as much as a chance for women as it is men. Also, the daily mail is an appaling excuse for a newspaper, I honestly cannot take them seriously.

You can do some simple research and find quite a lot more evidence out there about how most educational systems are skewed towards females as opposed to males; that was just one example.

These are the kind of issues that I care about in terms of gender eqaulity, not the whining that's been going on lately that 'Oh look at this ad that makes it okay to objectify men now, and make fun of them and whine whine whine whine.

I don't really care about that. Man or woman.

I'm not really concerned about "objectification" of men or women, either. Men AND women are objectified, every day - what I am concerned with is overall gender equality, as you stated. This means things like no genital mutilation for men or women, equally forcing men and women to sign up for the draft, taking domestic violence against men seriously, making sure men and women have equal educational opportunities and boys aren't just drugged into submission - etc.