Are The Old Republic's Sith In the Right?

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Are The Old Republic's Sith In the Right?



Are the Jedi genocidal? Does "Dark Side" always necessarily mean "evil"? Star Wars: The Old Republic might be trying to shake up the foundations of George Lucas' galaxy far, far away.

We've learned over at Ars Technica [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/conferences/gdc2010/7304-Hands-On-Star-Wars-The-Old-Republic], where the man in charge of fleshing out the Old Republic universe discussed the traditional Lucas dogma of "Sith = bad, Jedi = good."

"The one thing you're never going to hear is 'make the bad guys less interesting,'" says Erickson, who greatly admires Grand Admiral Thrawn - Imperial mastermind and main antagonist of Timothy Zahn's Star Wars Expanded Universe novel trilogy. "Why are these people resisting order, and regulation. The galaxy was at war-it was a horrid place before. Is it really not enough to have order? You need everything? You're acting like children!"

But beyond getting in the mind of the Imperials, Erickson thinks that the Jedi Order had serious problems stemming from an overly repressive nature and was borderline genocidal because of it - and in doing so, used the example of early Sith lord Exar Kun [http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Exar_Kun]. "If you give brash young people almost god-like powers and ask them to behave... you're asking for problems. You're dealing with someone in their early twenties, who has never been able to be thwarted by anything, and you tell them not to play with these Sith artifacts-of course they're going to think they can handle it."

"You're training children to deal with this power, and then demanding them to be incorruptible, and holding them to a standard that we don't even ask from any of our own societies. We looked at these issues and said, 'We could come up with an entire thematic run with this.'"

In fact, Erickson thinks the Sith could be morally in the right - from a certain point of view (as Obi-Wan Kenobi might say). "What the Jedi call the Dark Side, and what came to be known as the Dark Side, these people believed that life should be about emotion. They believed you should be unrestrained, that the galaxy wants us to love and lust and kill and make art and cry and dream..." And these more "hedonistic" believers in the Force? Why, they get chased out of the known regions of the galaxy and hunted down by the "noble" Jedi, of course! "In fact, in the lore, chased to the point where the Jedi believe they are dead. This is very close to genocide!"

Naturally, from the Jedi point of view there are some very good reasons to fear those treading the path of the Sith, but Erickson argues that a child who has been raised from birth won't understand that. That child won't see the universe in the terms of Dark Side and Light Side, they'll see it in terms of a very fight for survival. "You know there is an Emperor, and that he saved your people's very existence, and there is a society out there larger than you, who deemed your people and your religion not worthy to exist."

That's a very interesting tack that BioWare seems to be taking, and one that I hope they expand upon in the actual game itself. Good-guy Sith? It might not be so far from the truth after all.

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Trivun

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Interestingly enough, you could apply that same mentality to all sorts of real life scenarios and cultures. The people at the top, who everyone is raised to respect and admire, aren't necessarily always in the right. Religion is probably the main example (not to start a flamewar or anything). But it's good to se Bioware taking a fresh look at an established mythos and introducing their own uniue spin on it. Hopefully it'll make for a much better and more interesting story, and that is by no means a bad thing.
 

RobCoxxy

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Yeah, i've always liked that idea, be nice to see how they expand it. So being a sith though. Definitely.
 

Baron Khaine

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Pretty sure they've said this from the start, with a Morality system, you can be a Sith trying to do good, ala Anakin before he went too far, or you can be a Jedi using the Dark Side to get the job done no matter the cost, like the Grey Jedi.

Still, it will be awesome to see the implementation.

It means that people like me who are gonna get stuck on the Jedi side because of friends and such can still play with the Dark Side powers, and pewpew with lightning, even though we are the "good" side.
 

oppp7

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Lol, I've never been into Star Wars that much, but I have looked it up on Wikipedia. When I got to the Sith I read that they differ in that they use their emotions to fight. I never really got what the problem with not being a robot was, and it's good to see the Star Wars people have finally realized that.
 

GundamSentinel

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I myself have never seen the Sith as strictly bad guys or Jedi as strictly good guys. Both sides have been morally right during certain periods of Galactic history. The Jedi didn't act during the Mandalorian Wars, the Sith ravaged the galaxy during the Jedi Civil War, the Jedi used slave labor during the clone wars, The Sith had the Galaxy in a iron grip during the Empire. Both sides have known rise and decay, the only constant being their mutual enmity. I prefer Jolee Bindo and his grey middle area.
 

Fappy

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They need to hire Bioware writers for a Star Wars TV show or something. Seriously.
 

Quad08

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I'm so choosing to be on the 'Sith' side of things when this is finally released. Goin to be good times :D
 

Woodsey

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Do you know where that'd be so much more interesting?

In a KotOR 3.

And nope, I'm not going to shut up about it - ever.
 

Chipperz

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No no no no NO! Sith are the bad guys! The Dark Side is the evil juice that makes the storylines flow properly!

GAH! I want proper bad guys in this! Even Darth Vader became a pussy when he started being morally grey!
 

Azrael_0

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A welcome change, but not really that surprising. After all TOR is co-written by Drew Karpyshyn whose Darth Bane books are a very fine example of morally ambiguous Sith. Bane was evil, sure, bur never just for evil's sake, and it was justified by his previous life. Still, nice to see the Sith are getting some development.
 

MR T3D

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so they are expanding on some of the points the dabbled in in KOTOR2 it would seem.
cool.
 

Pinstar

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Emotion is variation, and variation is the enemy.

The sith were hunted due to the their unpredictability. IMHO
 

xDHxD148L0

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Woodsey said:
Do you know where that'd be so much more interesting?

In a KotOR 3.

And nope, I'm not going to shut up about it - ever.
True,and I kinda though that way at first but the sheer potential this game has is way bigger than just another KotOR sequel.
 

punkrocker27

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I think this is a quote from Watchman but, "Those who feel view the world as a tragedy, while those who think view the world as a comedy."