Like said before, excellent topic. You make a steady point and have covered up all entrances with sandbags by stating you reaized that generalization is pointless. For as far as your point goes, that this applies to some (or even a lot of) women, I think I agree.
Are women jealous of men?
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Ha, silly goose, so to speak! That's why the beginning of that thought is labeled "Side thought." Last side thought at that. I know it has nothing to do with the Original Post/Point. Thanks.poncho14 said:
Why do men just shrug it off though? I think that's what the question really comes down to. Come now, don't simply tell me that my thoughts are off topic when I already knew they would be by virtue of labeling it a "side thought."
Respond to my thoughts, treat me like an individual. Yes, there may be something to that idea. Just maybe.
The more I read the replies in this thread, the more it's apparent why nerdy guys suck at talking to or even relating to girls in any way.
But then movie aimed at girls is released which features sexy guys and some werewolf/vampire stuff. Suddenly guys are objectified and NOW it's the end of the world, and NOW apparently is the time for genuine concern! Basically, according to Aqua, objectifying women is perfectly natural, but once you objectify men then the end of the world is at hand! Unbelievable.
Normally I'd consider that socially ignorant, blatantly sexist by using double standards for genders, insecure and incredibly hypocritical and leave it at that. Aqua, however manages to be all of those things and do so without making the slightest bit of sense. So apparently when women are objectified and exploited for sex appeal that's normal, but once men are objectified by women then suddenly we're all doomed?
This one is one of my favorites ^ from this insane thread. So let's see, video games have used sexy girls for sex appeal in pretty much every single game that had a female character. The entire porn consists in large majority with a male audience in mind. There are a countless number of times where women are sex symbols, used to make a movie/game/advertisement better. All of this is normal.AquaAscension said:
But then movie aimed at girls is released which features sexy guys and some werewolf/vampire stuff. Suddenly guys are objectified and NOW it's the end of the world, and NOW apparently is the time for genuine concern! Basically, according to Aqua, objectifying women is perfectly natural, but once you objectify men then the end of the world is at hand! Unbelievable.
Normally I'd consider that socially ignorant, blatantly sexist by using double standards for genders, insecure and incredibly hypocritical and leave it at that. Aqua, however manages to be all of those things and do so without making the slightest bit of sense. So apparently when women are objectified and exploited for sex appeal that's normal, but once men are objectified by women then suddenly we're all doomed?
I'm in a similar boat. These days, without documented, peer reviewed evidence with statistical analysis, I tend to zone peoples arguments out. However, I will say one thing: Yes, women likely are jealous of men. Through no fault of there own, they get paid less, given less power, etc etc. That's something to be jealous of, no matter what gender you are.Soren91 said:
Yes, out of context, that would appear to be what I'm saying. Unfortunately, you didn't read the entire post.President Moocow said:
My original thought was pulled from the film "Dream Worlds 3" in which a very good case is made that portrays women as wholly objectified. I said that that is a "sickening thought." I absolutely HATE the idea that ANYONE is or has been brought down to a thing; has been objectified.
I also suppose that the humor in the quoted idea is lost without the nuances of voice inflections which could have implied sarcasm.
I do see your point though. The wording of the quote seems to say that if men are objectified, then all of these bad things will happen. That's not what I meant to say. I was pretty appalled when I saw the film referenced above. Check it out, it makes a good point. Anyhow, sorry for the confusion. Good day.
Ok, sorry about that. I kinda went to town on that point after seeing so many people agree with a post that makes chauvinism look conservative. My apologies, that was a bit too far. I'm still, however, pissed that everyone agrees with the insane idea that women are jealous of men for reasons I've already stated.
It sounds like to me your saying women lack a stereotype. I thought that was one of the big arguments for the feminest movement, that all they get seen as by men are sandwhich making sex toys used to have their children to continue there family line. I think it's mainly the media that makes these generalisations but the main problem is people use the media to colour their opinions, which is something I cannot stand.
The media tells people they should like this music and they do, buy this product and they do. It's like those conspiracy theorys that the government tells people what to do because they control their minds. The world would be a better place without the media, particularly the kind about celebrity gossip and pop culture.
The media tells people they should like this music and they do, buy this product and they do. It's like those conspiracy theorys that the government tells people what to do because they control their minds. The world would be a better place without the media, particularly the kind about celebrity gossip and pop culture.
I kinda see what you mean, but I don't really agree, can't really tell what it is I don't agree with. Ah well...
And btw, you knew that you would get a crap load of feminists being all bitchy beaucuse they will never admit that they're maybe a bit jealous. Well, it put me to thought and it lol'd me a bit, so gj OP.
And btw, you knew that you would get a crap load of feminists being all bitchy beaucuse they will never admit that they're maybe a bit jealous. Well, it put me to thought and it lol'd me a bit, so gj OP.
No sir...absolutely not..you are gay and should be punished....
*said the guy with long hair, a girly name (Angel), who owns all four of the Twilight books and can adamantly argue on the fly topics ranging from why Jacob is cooler than Edward and why Tommy will forever be the most mighty of all the Power Rangers*
(BTW...i screwed up and hit Reply instead of Quote...that was supposed to be in refference to Ravens_nest (i think that was his name)'s comment....)
*said the guy with long hair, a girly name (Angel), who owns all four of the Twilight books and can adamantly argue on the fly topics ranging from why Jacob is cooler than Edward and why Tommy will forever be the most mighty of all the Power Rangers*
(BTW...i screwed up and hit Reply instead of Quote...that was supposed to be in refference to Ravens_nest (i think that was his name)'s comment....)
I agree with you! I was in a house my senior year of college with 3 girls and 1 other guy. Any time there was a problem that involved the women we just ignored it because we quickly figured out addressing it would lead to weeks of passive aggressive behavior/bitching. Any problems I had with the guy got solved easily and directly ie. ?STOP PEEING ON THE SEAT?. Guess what no more pee!
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OT: Of course women are jealous of men, otherwise they wouldn't have women's rights movements. If they weren't jealous of men, they wouldn't have the desire to achieve equality with us. (not a sexist comment, just an 'observation' as the OP put it)
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Why? So I can change my opinion that your OP is full of generalising, patronising crap?Charisma said:
Sorry, didn't happen!
I suppose yes. If you're confident enough to do it without having a self esteem or identity crisis, what's the problem? Or even if you did, so friggin what? The "manliest thing" to do there is to do exactly as you please.ravens_nest said:
OT: I had a good time reading that. I mostly agree, but remain somewhat sceptical.
1. Accusing women of acting petty and confrontational in a long-winded and rambling rant about the inferiority of women done in response to a Youtube video is just a little ironic
2. Saying that you're not a woman hater doesn't mean you aren't one
3. The problem with basing your primitive sociological theories on an observational basis is that they are entirely skewed by your surroundings, and thus any claims to understanding the female gender (although I think you really mean sex) are flawed.
4. Having low self-esteem doesn't make you a 'hybrid' (or as everyone else calls it 'transgendered')
5 The crux of your argument rests on the notion that men have developed a strong gender identity. This is not true. Throughout history there have been a variety of masculine expectations that can be associated with different socio-economic classes. For example, the Victorian bourgeoisie associated manhood with being able to provide for your family, maintain respectability within society as a whole, and obey the correct social norms, Victorian working class would associate manhood with going out drinking, fighting and doing an honest day's work for an honest day's pay. There is difference between manliness as understood by a 17th century puritan and a 20th century businessman. From this we can conclude that the image of manliness is largely a result of social factors and your personal definition of manliness (drinking beer, farting, shitting, fighting, masturbating to 300) is but one of many throughout time and history. It is certainly not a continuous, unchanging definition.
6. I'm confused about your attitude towards women though. Do you think they have no identity, or their identity is in their 'natural' role as homemakers? The only constant is an undercurrent of misogyny. Basically, you're upset because women have emotions and get indignant when they're insulted. Ignoring for the moment that this is a gross exaggeration and misrepresentation of women, if you can't handle the fact that people (all people) get emotional sometimes, I suggest you limit your social interaction to your video games.
7. Thank you for your wonderful insights into the female identity crisis. I'm sure all women the world over will prostrate themselves before you in gratitude.
8. You don't sound smart. You sound like a bitter loser.
2. Saying that you're not a woman hater doesn't mean you aren't one
3. The problem with basing your primitive sociological theories on an observational basis is that they are entirely skewed by your surroundings, and thus any claims to understanding the female gender (although I think you really mean sex) are flawed.
4. Having low self-esteem doesn't make you a 'hybrid' (or as everyone else calls it 'transgendered')
5 The crux of your argument rests on the notion that men have developed a strong gender identity. This is not true. Throughout history there have been a variety of masculine expectations that can be associated with different socio-economic classes. For example, the Victorian bourgeoisie associated manhood with being able to provide for your family, maintain respectability within society as a whole, and obey the correct social norms, Victorian working class would associate manhood with going out drinking, fighting and doing an honest day's work for an honest day's pay. There is difference between manliness as understood by a 17th century puritan and a 20th century businessman. From this we can conclude that the image of manliness is largely a result of social factors and your personal definition of manliness (drinking beer, farting, shitting, fighting, masturbating to 300) is but one of many throughout time and history. It is certainly not a continuous, unchanging definition.
6. I'm confused about your attitude towards women though. Do you think they have no identity, or their identity is in their 'natural' role as homemakers? The only constant is an undercurrent of misogyny. Basically, you're upset because women have emotions and get indignant when they're insulted. Ignoring for the moment that this is a gross exaggeration and misrepresentation of women, if you can't handle the fact that people (all people) get emotional sometimes, I suggest you limit your social interaction to your video games.
7. Thank you for your wonderful insights into the female identity crisis. I'm sure all women the world over will prostrate themselves before you in gratitude.
8. You don't sound smart. You sound like a bitter loser.