Are you freakin' kidding me?

[VanQ]

No really, this has to be a joke right? Right? Someone tell me this is satire.

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/technology/2013/06/microsoft-e3-rape-joke/66092/

God damn it. This is what we've become? Really? I don't care anymore, you can't say anything without being called a misogynist by gamers any more. And god forbid you beat a girl in a game, that's rape! Who cares about having a good time when a girl doesn't like that you're winning at a game! You're a filthy rapist! No one cares if she won the next round or that the game was scripted! If you're a man and you play games, you're a sexist by default.

Maybe I'm overreacting a bit here, sure. But no more so than the people crying rape because a few words were poorly strung together and might imply something in an entirely different context. It's honestly enraging when you have to hold your tongue constantly lest someone who is easily offended comes along and makes you out to be some intolerant asshole.

My head hurts. Ugh.

 

[Lunar Shadow]

No really, this has to be a joke right? Right? Someone tell me this is satire.

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/technology/2013/06/microsoft-e3-rape-joke/66092/

God damn it. This is what we've become? Really? I don't care anymore, you can't say anything without being called a misogynist by gamers any more. And god forbid you beat a girl in a game, that's rape! Who cares about having a good time when a girl doesn't like that you're winning at a game! You're a filthy rapist! No one cares if she won the next round or that the game was scripted! If you're a man and you play games, you're a sexist by default.

Maybe I'm overreacting a bit here, sure. But no more so than the people crying rape because a few words were poorly strung together and might imply something in an entirely different context. It's honestly enraging when you have to hold your tongue constantly lest someone who is easily offended comes along and makes you out to be some intolerant asshole.

My head hurts. Ugh.

Good job with the strawman there. The outrage has to do with te comment made. Which was "Juat let it happen, it will be over soon." And the excuse that it is normal trash talk does not excuse it, but should rather make one look at what is considered "normal".

 

[VanQ]

Good job with the strawman there. The outrage has to do with te comment made. Which was "Juat let it happen, it will be over soon." And the excuse that it is normal trash talk does not excuse it, but should rather make one look at what is considered "normal".

That wasn't the only thing they complained about. They claimed about the whole thing was the problem. They may not have been the best choice of words but I didn't think of rape when he said that. It's ridiculous that something is so easily put out of context. He was beating her at a game. Not raping her. That's the problem I have, that people are likening beating a girl at a game as rape.

I'm not trying to misrepresent anything here. I'm just looking at it straight and in context. That's the main point here. Context is important.

 

[Fappy]

If it were another guy on stage I guarantee no one would have made a fuss about it. It is normal game trash-talk in the sense that it's pretty much gender-blind and happens in every competitive game you'll likely ever play. It is unfortunate that the use of the word "rape" and its various iterations have become synonymous with beating someone in a video game, but I would not call it sexist or those who use it misogynists. It's like referring to something stupid as "gay". Yeah it is wrong, but it's common slang that many, many people use.

Maybe the jab was in poor taste, but if it hadn't happened on stage no one would have gave a shit so I have a hard time taking this whole thing seriously. But then, you know, he may not have been making a rape reference in the first place. His language was open-ended.

 

[VanQ]

Exactly what context would "Just let it happen, it'll be over soon." be okay?

People aren't saying "beating a girl at a game = rape" people are saying "using stereotypical rape dialog is pretty nasty"

Why don't you just calm down and leave the internet for awhile, Just let it happen! It'll be over soon!

I'll go ahead and steal some good examples from someone that commented directly on the article, if you don't mind.

You could say it at the dentist, on a surgery, on an exam... and in this context on a fight.

this situation could be either consensuated or not: you know and accept what a dentist would do to you, you know you're playing a game because you wanted, etcetera.

and even if it was non consensuated, still, you have to put sexual intercourse there to be rape. Even a sexual assault wouldn't necesarilly mean a rape joke, and both aren't there.

Sorry, but you're purposedly reading too much into it.

If you want to add sexual implications to things, keep it to yourself. It's honestly rather vulgar, this kind of behavior.

 

[Calibanbutcher]

Oh look, people taking something completely out of context and making it about rape.

Guess we need to have atleast on rape controversy a month. Even if it has absolutely nothing to do with rape.

Yeah, didn't you hear about the newly implemented "rape-thread"-quota? If it isn't met, a virgin has to be sacrificed to the servers to appease the servers.


On topic:
So there was trash-talk in a demonstration showing of a new fighting-game?

Oh, the horror, oh the unspeakable madness, woe is me for my world was shattered.

Why won't anyone stop this crazy world from spinning?

OH THE HUMANITY.

 

[SaetonChapelle]

Honestly, I didn't take this as a "rape joke". I didn't find it funny either, I felt it was unnecessary, but rape? Didn't even cross mine mind.

 

[blackdwarf]

People who probably have some strong believes and certain ideas, are relating everything with that and probably not on purpose. The writer took the trash talk as comments solely focused on the gender of the woman. While others took it as regular trash talk, where the gender had no relevance. But reading this, she presumes that her view is correct and the only one that is possible.

And didn't the woman kick his ass after that?

 

[VanQ]

And didn't the woman kick his ass after that?

She did. She mopped the floor with him. A point they seem to have conveniently overlooked in the article.

 

[Fappy]

Honestly, I didn't take this as a "rape joke". I didn't find it funny either, I felt it was unnecessary, but rape? Didn't even cross mine mind.

Same. I just thought it was bad acting. You know, because E3 press conferences are 80% bad acting when it comes down to it >.>

 

[Legion]

In all honesty I think you are overreacting a little, but I agree with Fappy when he says that if this had been two guys, nobody would have batted an eyelid. Trash talking is something that happens in all competitive things, and gender normally has nothing to do with it.

Some people automatically assume that trash talking a girl is done because she is a girl, and while this most certainly does happen at times, I sincerely doubt this guy was one of those, considering that he was an MS representative playing another MS representative, while on camera and at a reveal.

I suspect the websites making a big deal out of it are doing it mostly to generate clicks, rather than because they actually consider it an issue. Game journalism is around the same quality as the average knee-jerk tabloids a lot of the time, and people do love making something out of nothing.

 

[IllumInaTIma]

I skipped the middle and end of Microsoft conference and was curious what exactly was that joke. And now that I've seen it, THAT WHAT ALL THE FUSS WAS ABOUT?! Are you fucking serious?! One line said to female during a fighting game match?! Jesus! So, what's next? Two guys will play fighting game and one says "I'm gonna beat your ass!" and we will claim domestic abuse?! That's being offended for the sake of being offended!

 

[Shadowstar38]

The statement was made in jest. The target of said joke was fine with it. Nothing important of note here. Standard internet rage fuel.

Now provide me with better entertainment forum slaves.

 

[VanQ]

I skipped the middle and end of Microsoft conference and was curious what exactly was that joke. And now that I've seen it, THAT WHAT ALL THE FUSS WAS ABOUT?! Are you fucking serious?! One line said to female during a fighting game match?! Jesus! So, what's next? Two guys will play fighting game and one says "I'm gonna beat your ass!" and we will claim domestic abuse?! That's being offended for the sake of being offended!

Or they'll claim you just made a gay joke. You intolerant person, you.

In all honesty I think you are overreacting a little, but I agree with Fappy when he says that if this had been two guys, nobody would have batted an eyelid. Trash talking is something that happens in all competitive things, and gender normally has nothing to do with it.

Some people automatically assume that trash talking a girl is done because she is a girl, and while this most certainly does happen at times, I sincerely doubt this guy was one of those, considering that he was an MS representative, playing another MS representative, while on camera, at a reveal.

I suspect the websites making a big deal out of it are doing it mostly to generate clicks, rather than because they actually consider it an issue. Game journalism is around the same quality as the average knee-jerk tabloids a lot of the time, and people do love making something out of nothing.

Probably, but if ignoring it doesn't help, sometimes you need to call people out on their bullshit to make them stop. Sexism might damn well be an issue in this industry, but seeing sexism where it isn't is only a bigger issue that will drain freedom of expression and creativity from it.

 

[DoPo]

Exactly what context would "Just let it happen, it'll be over soon." be okay?

"Shh, don't worry, just don't struggle." The words of one of the nurses when I had my ear stitched together with no anaesthesia. I fucking hurt and thrashing around didn't make the doctor's job any easier. Of course she could have secretly been a rapist and enjoying the moment - I'll let you decide.

People aren't saying "beating a girl at a game = rape" people are saying "using stereotypical rape dialog is pretty nasty"

OK, so when I'm telling bots to remain calm and nobody would get hurt, am I robbing them? Because that's what I like saying occasionally.

 

[Adam Jensen_v1legacy]

Since what was happening on the stage wasn't rape, the words that were said don't have anything to do with rape, and everything to do with the event on the screen. There is no need to be upset about it.

 

[Legion]

Probably, but if ignoring it doesn't help, sometimes you need to call people out on their bullshit to make them stop. Sexism might damn well be an issue in this industry, but seeing sexism where it isn't is only a bigger issue that will drain freedom of expression and creativity from it.

I agree, but to be honest I am rather weary of this all now. It's getting to the point where it's draining my interest in discussing games at all. The Helen LoveJoy's of the gaming world have sunk their teeth in, and the gaming media are loving these sexism debates and are throwing fuel onto the fire whenever they can, because it keeps them going.

The kind of person who thinks the comments in the article were sexist isn't going to be convinced by logic, because it doesn't fit their own warped perception. You can't use reason to convince a person with a persecution complex that they aren't being victimised.

 

[oplinger]

Why hello there metric inflating headline. I was wondering where you would be this E3. How's the wife?

...okay really, it wasn't a rape joke, but I'd like to believe we're all smart enough to know that this article was written to appeal to current trends using current events in order to inflame the masses and get linked everywhere to generate clicks and ad revenue.

There wasn't a rape joke, and the entire skit wasn't sexist. The girl was probably part of creating the skit, and volunteered. Someone had to be the bad player, she was fine with it.

Am I giving people too much credit?