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Aries_Split

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Dommyboy said:
Hey Aries if I got the system I told you about before, would I be able to upgrade my CPU or Graphics Card anytime (or do you need more information on it)? Because I can't really go over $1000 or more. Though I will be upgrading a fair bit.

Also could you post up your rig please, as you make it sound like some god-creating, world destroying machine.
Yes, you will be able to upgrade it for the next 4 years.
My rig is currently as follows:
x2 Raptor 150 gig 10000 RPM running in RAID 0
An Evga 790i SLI chipset mobo
An intel wolfdale 3.0ghz Core2Duo, OC to 4.2 ghz
4 Gigs of Corsair Dominator memory
and a 8800GTS GFX card. (I just bought a 9800Gx2 though, should be here soon.

I am viewing it on a 24" acer.

My keyboard is a logitech g15 and my mouse is a razor lachesis.

I love that thing.
 

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Hey Aries I was checking out some Quad Core Processors and this one caught my eye:

Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz 2 x 4MB L2 Cache LGA 775 Quad-Core Processor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115017

Do you think its worth it to go Quad right now?
 

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EmperorDude said:
My processor is an AMD 2100 dual core with 2 CPUs (1.80 GHz).
This is the only relevant info I could find out about my motherboard. Don't know if it helps.
Award BIOS Type Phoenix - AwardBIOS v6.00PG
But since it came with an AMD processor it should be only compatable with AMD products yes?
I don't think they sell any processors that will fit your CPU socket any more. My best advice is to keep your 8800 GTS, and just buy a new motherboard and CPU. your's is VERY dated. Sorry to have to break it to you like that, but I don't see the point in upgrading a Socket A (socket 462) CPU. That's about as good as you'll get for that Mobo. Sorry I can't be of much help. If you do want to just get a new motherboard, I CAN help with that.
I don't think thats quite right. He said that he had a dual core CPU and an 8800. Old socket A didn't have dual core processors and couldn't support an 8800 because the 8800 series is PCIe only which came out AFTER socket A went the way of the dodo. Also, that '2100' can't be right because it ran at 1733mhz, not 1800. That processor was in my last machine before I upgraded to a Socket 939 box.

Socket 754 didn't have dual cores either, and socket 939 didn't have one rated at 1800mhz. I think he has an AM2 board. If thats the case, he can get an Athlon 64 6000+ or 5600+ that would be a very big improvement over his current processor for 150$ or less.

EmperorDude: Would you do something for me? Go to Start Menu -> Run and type DXDIAG into the blank and press enter. The window that comes up should have listings for 'System Manufacturer', 'System Model' and 'Processor'. If you could post those, I can tell you exactly whats in your machine and we can come up with an upgrade plan.
 

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Would it be okay for me to over clock a Q6600 just a little bit? Like OC to 2.8ghz or more, nothing too much. Apparently the Q6600 was made with the intention for over clocking but if it helps more, I will post up my system I am getting on Tuesday.

Intel Q6600 2.4ghz 8mb cache (2x4) quad core processor
Asus P5KC or P5KPL Socket 775 Quad Core compatible mainboard -rt
Elixir 1x 2GB stick DDR2-800mhz RAM
Samsung 500/16 GB Sata 2 HDD
Atrix 9001 Tower case, w/ 500w power PSU
LG GSA-H22N-Black 22x Dual-Layer DVD burner
NVIDIA N9600GT 512mb 256b PCIe Graphics Card
 

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chipmunk2510 said:
Hey Aries I was checking out some Quad Core Processors and this one caught my eye:

Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz 2 x 4MB L2 Cache LGA 775 Quad-Core Processor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115017

Do you think its worth it to go Quad right now?
I know I am not Aries, but if you want a future proof system, go with the Core 2 Quad Q6600. They are probably the most reliable CPU's out there at the moment and with 4 cores of 2.4ghz, you will be fine for ages. Also if it makes you feel better, I too am getting a Core 2 Quad Q6600 rig. Though no games seem to utilize Quad cores to there full extent at the moment, but hopefully next year we will see an improvement in that area.
 

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Alright people, dropping in again. To Answer dommy's question, Yes, I find the q6600 to be great over clockers, but make sure you have a nice cooling solution. Also, reep, Socket A had dual cores. Look again.
 

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Aries_Split said:
Stuff about Killer NIC
Doesn't prioritize gaming packets. It's a co-processor, instead of your CPU handling the network, it does it. Thing is, the load on the CPU is insignificant. In your example, any latency would be caused by your network bandwidth. When playing online, your network bandwidth is however fast your internet connection is.
 

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Aries_Split said:
Alright people, dropping in again. To Answer dommy's question, Yes, I find the q6600 to be great over clockers, but make sure you have a nice cooling solution. Also, reep, Socket A had dual cores. Look again.
I'm not going to look because I'm never going to find what doesn't exist. Post a link to any info regarding them and I'll be more than happy to eat my words.

Until that point, I will maintain that AMD's first dual-core chips were available on Socket 939 in the form of Manchester (512kb L2 cache per core) and Toledo (1024kb L2 cache per core, with some chips having half of it disabled like the one in my system right now). That was in 2005, two years after the debut of Athlon 64 and Socket A bit the dust.
 

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Aries_Split said:
Bulletinmybrain said:
Whats the most bang for my buck going with graphic cards? Cause this christmas I might go instead for a high end one since this pc is shaping up rapidly.
If you want the absolute MOST bang for your buck graphics card, I would have to recommend the Radeon 4850.
"GASP! But Aries, you've stated yourself that you despise AMD with a passion!"
It's true, I do. But I also know a decent GFX card, and although I have never used it, apparently the 4850 is a godsend for the sub-$200 category.
Hey Aries, don't mean to be rude or nothin', but uh, I've always been under the impression that the best bang-for-buck card has been the 8800GT [http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500007]. I admit, I'm not so great with computers (I'm alright, but not so great), so perhaps you could shed some light on this?
 

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Anniko said:
Aries_Split said:
Stuff about Killer NIC
Doesn't prioritize gaming packets. It's a co-processor, instead of your CPU handling the network, it does it. Thing is, the load on the CPU is insignificant. In your example, any latency would be caused by your network bandwidth. When playing online, your network bandwidth is however fast your internet connection is.
It does prioritize packets. It totally bypasses the networking scheduling code in Windows and organizes it with it's onboard processor. The thing is that if you take the Pepsi challenge with one, you won't be able to tell it apart from an integrated NIC. Extra performance only shows up in benchmarks and even then it isn't really out of the margin of error for the test.

The most I've seen is a review of the card where a couple of users said it 'feels' a little more responsive. Being the rational bastard that I am, I would chock that up to palm-greasing or the placebo effect.
 

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stompy said:
Aries_Split said:
If you want the absolute MOST bang for your buck graphics card, I would have to recommend the Radeon 4850.
"GASP! But Aries, you've stated yourself that you despise AMD with a passion!"
It's true, I do. But I also know a decent GFX card, and although I have never used it, apparently the 4850 is a godsend for the sub-$200 category.
Hey Aries, don't mean to be rude or nothin', but uh, I've always been under the impression that the best bang-for-buck card has been the 8800GT [http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500007]. I admit, I'm not so great with computers (I'm alright, but not so great), so perhaps you could shed some light on this?
I'll field this one.
If you had said that a month ago, you probably would have been right. Since the 4850 was released however, that is no longer true. Its quite a bit faster and only a little bit (approx 20 USD) more expensive than the 8800GT.
 

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ReepNeep said:
If you had said that a month ago, you probably would have been right. Since the 4850 was released however, that is no longer true. Its quite a bit faster and only a little bit (approx 20 USD) more expensive than the 8800GT.
Fair enough. I'm not up-to-date on hardware, and frankly, I'd never of heard of the card before... I don't get ATi cards anyways...

Edit: Holy shit! This card looks amazing! Move over 8800GT...
 

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ReepNeep said:
Bypassing the Windows network stack =/= prioritizing packets.

It's still a scam. In a blind test, you're not gonna tell the difference.
 

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stompy said:
Aries_Split said:
Bulletinmybrain said:
Whats the most bang for my buck going with graphic cards? Cause this christmas I might go instead for a high end one since this pc is shaping up rapidly.
If you want the absolute MOST bang for your buck graphics card, I would have to recommend the Radeon 4850.
"GASP! But Aries, you've stated yourself that you despise AMD with a passion!"
It's true, I do. But I also know a decent GFX card, and although I have never used it, apparently the 4850 is a godsend for the sub-$200 category.
Hey Aries, don't mean to be rude or nothin', but uh, I've always been under the impression that the best bang-for-buck card has been the 8800GT [http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500007]. I admit, I'm not so great with computers (I'm alright, but not so great), so perhaps you could shed some light on this?
Here's a good link on video card value, current as of July 7th so it includes the 260, 280, 4850, 4870, 9800GX2, and 9800GTX but not the 4870X2. I like the Tom's guides because they go out of their way to be fair and because they break the selections down into price points. Down sides are a failure to compare price points (i.e. is it worth an extra $40 to upgrade from 8800GT to HD 4850?) and to take single card-only configurations into account. For instance, a pair of Crossfire HD 4850s are the recommended value for $400, but what if you have a single-slot mobo? If you have an SLI mobo is it worth going to a HD 4870 over a 260 considering you could add a second 260 down the road? Still, for a guide updated monthly it's an excellent tool.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-cards,1965.html

For this particular guide, remember that the excellent HD 4870 made nvidia magically transform the $400 260 and 9800GX2 into the $300 260 and 9800GX2, so the August guide will probably have the $290 to $310 slots as a three-way tie. Either of the three should make you proud.

The 8800GT is an excellent card and a good value, but hardly the most bang for the buck. The cards with the most bang for the buck are always the cheaper cards, but for gaming it's the steeper slopes on the value curve that provide the best experiences. Just avoid the very top, because as you reach the top of the line it gets very expensive to buy more performance. One thing to remember for gaming is that the card with the most bang for the buck at this instant is seldom the card with the most bang for the buck overall because it will need to be replaced more quickly. If you can afford the extra $40 or so for an HD 4850, do it.

Good thread Aries, but Reep has you on the Socket 'A'. I was a big Socket 'A' guy back in the day but there were no dual cores at that time. There was an Athlon 2100 XP and a 2100 MP, but they were single core as were all processors of that era (circa 2001 - 2003.) There was a Sempron 2100 single core, a Sempron 2100 low power (9W) single core, and a Sempron 2100 dual core. I thought the latter was only for Asian and developing markets, actually, but I think it is only in AM2 socket (it's a late 2007/early 2008 part.) And it is an 1.8 GHz chip.

I also buy practically all my parts from Newegg, but neophytes should realize the Egg uses a real-time pricing engine based on supply. When supply of a particular part gets low, the price goes up. When a new shipment comes in, the price goes down. Thus you need to keep up with prices over some period of time before buying to avoid nasty surprises.
 

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werepossum said:
stompy said:
Aries_Split said:
Bulletinmybrain said:
Whats the most bang for my buck going with graphic cards? Cause this christmas I might go instead for a high end one since this pc is shaping up rapidly.
If you want the absolute MOST bang for your buck graphics card, I would have to recommend the Radeon 4850.
"GASP! But Aries, you've stated yourself that you despise AMD with a passion!"
It's true, I do. But I also know a decent GFX card, and although I have never used it, apparently the 4850 is a godsend for the sub-$200 category.
Hey Aries, don't mean to be rude or nothin', but uh, I've always been under the impression that the best bang-for-buck card has been the 8800GT [http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500007]. I admit, I'm not so great with computers (I'm alright, but not so great), so perhaps you could shed some light on this?
Here's a good link on video card value, current as of July 7th so it includes the 260, 280, 4850, 4870, 9800GX2, and 9800GTX but not the 4870X2. I like the Tom's guides because they go out of their way to be fair and because they break the selections down into price points. Down sides are a failure to compare price points (i.e. is it worth an extra $40 to upgrade from 8800GT to HD 4850?) and to take single card-only configurations into account. For instance, a pair of Crossfire HD 4850s are the recommended value for $400, but what if you have a single-slot mobo? If you have an SLI mobo is it worth going to a HD 4870 over a 260 considering you could add a second 260 down the road? Still, for a guide updated monthly it's an excellent tool.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-cards,1965.html

For this particular guide, remember that the excellent HD 4870 made nvidia magically transform the $400 260 and 9800GX2 into the $300 260 and 9800GX2, so the August guide will probably have the $290 to $310 slots as a three-way tie. Either of the three should make you proud.

The 8800GT is an excellent card and a good value, but hardly the most bang for the buck. The cards with the most bang for the buck are always the cheaper cards, but for gaming it's the steeper slopes on the value curve that provide the best experiences. Just avoid the very top, because as you reach the top of the line it gets very expensive to buy more performance. One thing to remember for gaming is that the card with the most bang for the buck at this instant is seldom the card with the most bang for the buck overall because it will need to be replaced more quickly. If you can afford the extra $40 or so for an HD 4850, do it.

Good thread Aries, but Reep has you on the Socket 'A'. I was a big Socket 'A' guy back in the day but there were no dual cores at that time. There was an Athlon 2100 XP and a 2100 MP, but they were single core as were all processors of that era (circa 2001 - 2003.) There was a Sempron 2100 single core, a Sempron 2100 low power (9W) single core, and a Sempron 2100 dual core. I thought the latter was only for Asian and developing markets, actually, but I think it is only in AM2 socket (it's a late 2007/early 2008 part.) And it is an 1.8 GHz chip.

I also buy practically all my parts from Newegg, but neophytes should realize the Egg uses a real-time pricing engine based on supply. When supply of a particular part gets low, the price goes up. When a new shipment comes in, the price goes down. Thus you need to keep up with prices over some period of time before buying to avoid nasty surprises.
Would that constitute 67$ RAM going all the way to 247$ for 4gigs in that real-time pricing?
 

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werepossum said:
Thanks werepossum. I'm having a read of the website, and it's great for people like me who understand enough to know that stock computers suck, but not enough to confidently buy and build my own computer.
 

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Hey.. So heres one for you.

I have a rather important assingment in which I need to build a home recording studio. I'll need things like mics and speakers but I also need a computer. In order to save money and get exacly what I want i've decided to go for my own design. I was planning on getting my friend who works in IT but he has been way to busy so I have come here.

Im looking for somthing with as much RAM as posible, a lot of space and windows. No need for a flashy graphics card, a nice video card might be handy but not needed and dont worry about the soundcard as I'll buy an external one.

Thanks so much.. If you can get it in asap cos its due on tuesday ><
 

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Anniko said:
ReepNeep said:
Bypassing the Windows network stack =/= prioritizing packets.

It's still a scam. In a blind test, you're not gonna tell the difference.
Eh, thats what the 'Pepsi Challenge' is. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't pay 30$ for one, much less 300$. It does do what they say it does, but it makes no practical difference with how strong processors are these days.
 

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Has anyone got any tips for a beginner? I'm looking to build my first computer and I don't know where to start in regards to what parts to buy or from where for that matter. I know what parts I need though(surprisingly lol). I know I want it to be quad core definately, it's primarily going to be a gaming rig too so I don't want to skimp on the highest end stuff. Money isn't a problem either so I want to have the highest performance parts and stuff in all areas. If someone could set me off then that would be a massive help.

Thanks in Advance. :)

P.s. I plan to partition the drives so I'll be running both Windows Vista and XP alongside each other, I think it's called dualbooting, if someone could correct me on that if it's wrong. What would I need to do to accomplish this?
 

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WlknCntrdiction said:
Has anyone got any tips for a beginner? I'm looking to build my first computer and I don't know where to start in regards to what parts to buy or from where for that matter. I know what parts I need though(surprisingly lol). I know I want it to be quad core definately, it's primarily going to be a gaming rig too so I don't want to skimp on the highest end stuff. Money isn't a problem either so I want to have the highest performance parts and stuff in all areas. If someone could set me off then that would be a massive help.

Thanks in Advance. :)

P.s. I plan to partition the drives so I'll be running both Windows Vista and XP alongside each other, I think it's called dualbooting, if someone could correct me on that if it's wrong. What would I need to do to accomplish this?
Well it's nice to hear that money isn't a problem, and you say you know what parts you need but either way I'll still tell you what I'd tell to a "beginner".

First of all, I think you've already got this covered, but learn about what you have already, it will help a lot.

Must haves:

RAM: 2 gigs of DDR2 will last you a long time (and if you wipe your ass with baby seal fur then get DDR3)

CPU: At LEAST a dual core - get single core out of your head.

GPU: PCI-Express - if you are planning on hooking it up to your T.V. - check for DVI and HDMI cards - it's nice to see "overclocked" on the box as well.

Mobo: Gotta have PCI Express, and, check the size too, these newer cards are huge and can actually take over one of your PCI slots, so having enough space between them can save you a slot. Should be able to support a lot of RAM as well, 2 gigs seems to be standard for Vista since it hogs up so much resources.

OS: Since you brought up double booting, IMO it isn't worth having to buy vista but you can simply install vista, and then install XP again, and you can use XP but still keep vista's perks - takes up a lot of space.

HDD: As much space as you want, but make sure it is a "SATA" drive, it performs much better so loading times won't be a pain.

Disc Drive: If you are planning on plugging into a T.V. - those blu-ray drives are cheap now. Unless you want a burner, which is not a good value right now.

Cooling: A fan and that weird radiator thing is just fine, espcially with a quad core, but those fancy liquid cooler things are worth every penny (but if you want everything to be at the top of the tech tree then it's gonna cost you a LOT.)

Case: Just get something with a lot of vents.

Sound Card: Creative XFI can be found for about 60 dollars or less. With good speakers and subwoofer it's worth it.

Physics Cards: I've never bought one of these and they are certainly not neccessary, especially if you've got a quad core, but I'm certain that it will take a lot of weight off your CPU's shoulders.

I hope that's what you were looking for.