Jesus, seems most of you just read the title and went off on a MW2 wang sucking rant. Did any of you actually READ what he said?
Army of Two Producer Says Modern Warfare 2 Went Too Far
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I think the "I bet none of you read more than 2 sentences in that whole post" card would be more appropriate.Amnestic said:
Yeah, I had fun with it, too.Grayjack72 said:
I still don't see any large controversy here, though.
Go ahead man, it's better than all the AoTwo haters here.Amnestic said:
But yeah he is right that IW should be praised for putting their "controversial" mission on a pedestal. It's stupid how so many people here bash it and say that other games have done worse. What they haven't quite grasped yet is that those other games don't really make it a central part of the game. GTA doesn't actually tell you to murder civilians, it just places the option there on the table for you. But MW 2 actually forces you into the role, hands you a gun, and asks "Are you in or are you out?"
Didn't they anounce that their game would also show the horrors of war as you went through the war torn city? anyway, the MW2 scene WAS a big deal the first time I played it, but now it seems like fuzz over nothing, we're only shooting pixels, not every single person that plays a FPS is going to be a mass murder just because he played "No Russian"
Thats a common thing my Chemistry teacher likes to rant about. He got a degree in Chemistry (from a rubbish university, granted), by revising for most exams the night before, and not doing any of the coursework.Foggy_Fishburne said:I've met many people with PHDs and various degrees but had the inteligence of a rock. And I've met many people who don't have a fancy paper to show off and still blown my mind away. If a piece of paper is what required for you to open your eyes and listen, well fine... I don't give a shit if you're the Queen of Sweden (Hej Margaretta, elr vad du nu heter) or a janitor at a school. If your words speak truth and wisdom, then I listen. If you speak folly then fuck off.Steelfists said:It really does matter, since he is airing his views in public, and his opinions will carry more weight if he has the expertise to back it up.Foggy_Fishburne said:
Though the public is known for being remarkably stupid so I guess that people rather listen to someone with a degree from a school then someone with brains... Which is sad
But I'm talking about expertise in his field, not some degree... And in the game design industry especially degrees carry much, MUCH less weight than experience.
It does seem odd that everyone is insulting Matt for his thoughts on this. He praised Infinity Ward for doing something he doesn't have the courage to do. What's so bad about that?Vault boy Eddie said:
You actually have a point. I killed many defenseless civilians in cold blood in Prototype. In fact, I jumped around the city, picked a random guy on the street, threw him into the air and then chopped him in half for health. I guess the reason why that wasn't as controversial is because it wasn't as realistic.Onyx Oblivion said:
Immature 10 year old's fantasies are fun. I mean, while I love games like Half-Life 2 and Professor Layton, sometimes I just want to run around chainsawing through people while screaming swear words in a voice that sounds like I've been gargling with gravel. And I wouldn't say that he's complaining, just pointing out that he crossed the line.Furburt said:
My mom keeps going on about what an atrocity this scene is, and she doesn't know shit about games. Our conversation:
Me: "If there is a really violent scene in a movie, should they remove it?"
"No, as long as it's relevant to the story. But I don't see how the airport scene is relevant to the game."
I walked away. Her opinion was officially invalid.
Me: "If there is a really violent scene in a movie, should they remove it?"
"No, as long as it's relevant to the story. But I don't see how the airport scene is relevant to the game."
I walked away. Her opinion was officially invalid.
The comparison of MW2's "No Russian" scene to games like GTA is ridiculous and the people making them wholly and completely miss the point. Grand Theft Auto games have a plot line and never in those plotlines are you put in a suit, handed a gun, thrown into an airport and told "Hey, see all those defenseless people over there that have probably never done anything terrible to anyone else in their lives? Yeah. Butcher them."
In GTA, you have the -choice- of whether or not to kill innocents. It's an option. There are consequences for that option. MW2 sort of gives you the choice as you -can- opt not to actually blow anyone away, but you have to watch these cold-blooded bastards just sort of march through and do their thing. I'm not gonna play the cool kid card and say "Yeah, I've seen worse." because, to this day, I haven't.
To me, it was the sheer professionalism of Makarov's men that bothered me. None of them spoke, none of them said a word, none of them showed any emotion, even though these were their fellow Russians they were butchering. Was "No Russian" horrifying or disgusting to me? No, not really, but it did turn my stomach a little bit. Maybe I'm among the minority in that.
In GTA, you have the -choice- of whether or not to kill innocents. It's an option. There are consequences for that option. MW2 sort of gives you the choice as you -can- opt not to actually blow anyone away, but you have to watch these cold-blooded bastards just sort of march through and do their thing. I'm not gonna play the cool kid card and say "Yeah, I've seen worse." because, to this day, I haven't.
To me, it was the sheer professionalism of Makarov's men that bothered me. None of them spoke, none of them said a word, none of them showed any emotion, even though these were their fellow Russians they were butchering. Was "No Russian" horrifying or disgusting to me? No, not really, but it did turn my stomach a little bit. Maybe I'm among the minority in that.
Wow what's with all the people ragging on the guy for sharing his opinion? Especially when said opinion is a positive one. Army of Two really wasn't that bad a game, it was just pretty generic. As a co-op shooter I thought it was damn good, and the only reason so many people hated it was the terrible vs multiplayer, which they never should have included anyway. (I also hated the region locking)
Pushed the boundries of fake violence that doesn't really happen?
Is such a thing even possible?
So long as the player has a grasp on reality vs. fantasy, I don't see there being a problem. Sure some stuff might be in bad taste like stomping on babies but since it isn't real, there is no issue in my mind.
Is such a thing even possible?
So long as the player has a grasp on reality vs. fantasy, I don't see there being a problem. Sure some stuff might be in bad taste like stomping on babies but since it isn't real, there is no issue in my mind.
Because, all the games where you play a closeted overcompensating douchebag shooting people for free are intrinsically better? I'll grant you Army of Two has the second most hilariously stupid plot point I've seen in a game (an aircraft carrier being hijacked - because the 5,000 crew members and support fleet were on a coffee break at the time I suppose), and the core gameplay wasn't as fun as it could have been but I still enjoyed playing it with a friend. Then again, I also enjoyed Mercenaries 2 with a friend so I might have some sort of deep seated emotional problem...jthm said:
Most of those games have some "emotional" or "story related" reason to go shooting people though. Go get your family from terrorists, or defend the flag or something. Here it was "shoot people and buy gun bling".Eclectic Dreck said:
Still, were I you, I'd probably see about that Mercenaries problem. Years of therapy might help. See you in the doctor's waiting room. ;P
