(As we all know) Women are not new to gaming.

[Spearmaster]

I really don't see a point to this thread other than a white knight trying to start fires so they can be seen trying to put them out.

So you're accusing Overusedname of being a white knight then? Tell me, how did you go and determine his motives?

It sounds like an empty insult meant to just halt discussion.

It sounds like you need to read further down the thread then.

Not at all. It is just that. An empty insult to halt discussion. It's really stupid to think he or anyone else would be doing this for anyone's favor as they get nothing out of it.

Well I'm sorry you take more offense than the person I posted it towards did. We have discussed it and came to an understanding I think, if you cared to read down the thread you would see your post was unwarranted. Unless your point is to start an argument over something you have no stake in.

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

And there was somebody that said women are less competitive than men?
Watch two sisters play Crash Team Racing. You're DEAD WRONG! Lol.

I'm pretty sure Mario Party has caused many violent deaths in both sexes.

 

[Imp_Emissary]

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Well for all I know it might of just been a moment of weakness seems harsh to ruin his life with his new family over something like that.

That said I had the same thing with my ex who beat me, by the time I recovered enough to do anything about it he already had a new wife and baby. I didn't want to ruin their lives and send him to prison. But you are right I am perhaps, too soft.

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Well I kind of assumed that those guys were sending those pics to come onto me. That picture you described sounds more like he was trying to gross you out or something. I meant no offense by it.

Hey, if your most terrible quality is that you can be too nice I think you're doing fine. That said, I have a few problems with being more assertive too. Mostly with asking for help when I need it.

Also, I'm kind of on the young side, and I haven't been dating for a few years. So just a general question. Is it normal to send pics of your junk to people? I don't mean your girlfriend/boyfriend, but rather people you haven't even met. I mean, that kind of seems like something you wait until at least the 4th date to do, or at the very least it seems you could first send a message asking; "Hey, want to see my junk?" Hmm. Maybe I'm just too prudent or something, but all this sending pictures of your junk on the web seems rather reckless.

Ugh. People. Can they ever just make sense?!

 

[Spearmaster]

I really don't see a point to this thread other than a white knight trying to start fires so they can be seen trying to put them out.

So you're accusing Overusedname of being a white knight then? Tell me, how did you go and determine his motives?

It sounds like an empty insult meant to just halt discussion.

It sounds like you need to read further down the thread then.

Not at all. It is just that. An empty insult to halt discussion. It's really stupid to think he or anyone else would be doing this for anyone's favor as they get nothing out of it.

Well I'm sorry you take more offense than the person I posted it towards did. We have discussed it and came to an understanding I think, if you cared to read down the thread you would see your post was unwarranted. Unless your point is to start an argument over something you have no stake in.

I don't need to take offense to point out stupid phrases that just tend to be used for no good purpose.

And would I need a stake in it to point something stupid out on the Internet? That would be the kind of thinking that leads to the white knight drivel.

So your sole point is policing the internet for stupid phrases then?

Good luck, I hope you win

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

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Well I don't think it's particularly normal (lol) but most of the time I have been happily chatting with a guy I've met on WOW or Mass Effect multi or something and he's gone out of nowhere 'Can you send me a pic of your boobs.' or just sent a pic of his dick out of nowhere.
The weird thing is if you try and laugh it off they think you are being really horrible to them when really you just feel embarrassed and don't know what to say. I mean would they go up to a woman in the street and say that? Why is it different on the net.

I wouldn't mind like a guy I was dating or that I had known for more than five minutes and was heavily flirting with doing naughty stuff with me but I like to be at least friends with a guy first. That's my advice to you really if you get chatting with a girl just try and have a normal relationship first before you ask to see her boobies.

It's a little bit strange.

I am cursed with a really sexy voice though. xD (apparently)

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White Knighting is a silly term that men come up with when a person of their own gender calls them out on being sexist. They know they can't come up with a proper argument to defend their behavior.

 

[Jun_Jun]

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I am cursed with a really sexy voice though. xD (apparently)

Stop teasing the boys Butterfly

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

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I am cursed with a really sexy voice though. xD (apparently)

Stop teasing the boys Butterfly

People have said my best friend has the sexiest male voice they have ever heard too and that we should both host a late night radio show xD.

Just a shame I have a face for radio too

 

[Overusedname]

I really don't see a point to this thread other than a white knight trying to start fires so they can be seen trying to put them out.

So you're accusing Overusedname of being a white knight then? Tell me, how did you go and determine his motives?

It sounds like an empty insult meant to just halt discussion.

It sounds like you need to read further down the thread then.

Trust me, she's been in this thread for a while. She's read everything.

Also I would like to thank Overusedname

Spoiler

Also I may or may not be a fan of your youtube channel and awesomely thoughtful videos (>>)

for this topic and thread, surprising me yet again that there is quite a few members on this forum who act sensibly about Gender issues within this community, He's leading quite an example keeping his responses classy and composed, you sir are a gentleman and a scholar (and probably a wizard) we should follow suit. Keep being classy everyone we will out class the Haters with our classy.. err... swag! everyone get your tophats and monocles! Sweet ass 'staches are optional!

Nothing I've done is a big deal, but thank you anyway. The bile going on just bothered me. But thank you. Dat was nice. :]

*raises wine glass with pinky extended*

 

[Jun_Jun]

White Knighting is a silly term that men come up with when a person of their own gender calls them out on being sexist. They know they can't come up with a proper argument to defend their behavior.

You are not understanding the actual idea of a white knight, I think.

Admittedly such situation thing is possible, but it is not the only conclusion.

The idea of a white knight is someone who defends women against men under any circumstance no matter if the woman is in the right or the wrong.

A good example is when a woman is attacking a man, for whatever reason. The moment the man fights back he is usually rushed by 20 guys nearby and restrained. You can find many such incidents of this on youtube if you're curious, there's even one where a man screams at the guy being restrained/beaten (couldn't tell) that "You don't ever hit a woman! EVER! It's THE RULES!" (facepalm)

(unless it's a police officer) You won't see them coming to help the man from the aggressive woman... Who was clearly the aggressor.

Of course, why would a man do this? The most popular theory/idea/whatever is that they do it to attract other women or the woman in question, because it makes the seem appear more valuable as a protector or whatever... Which is not entirely untrue from my experience and seeing a good bit of evidence elsewhere. Or their belief that women are weaker and need to be protected from men under all circumstances no matter what. Neither exactly appears to be a very likable character trait and is extremely sexist in itself imo.

That is all. Agree or disagree, that is as far as I'm going. No quote wars for me.

Not trying to sound aggressive or anything, don't mind me. But I thought the term 'white knight' was used for Men who feel the need to defend Women where they don't need defending or speak for them when it really isn't necessary, I'm trying to come up with an example here.. oh, say for example when the game Bayonetta came out quite a few men disregarded it saying it was 'sexist towards women' or 'women will hate this' or even 'this is too sexualised', even though most of the 'sexual' context was half of the comedy in the game, most people forgot that the female lead was in control of her sexuality and wasn't 'exploited' in a sexual way. (sorry I can't think of a better way to word this, big night last night)and yes I'm guessing men pull this crap so they can look more sensitive or better in comparison to the men that aren't being (unbeknownst) sexist idiots.
I think however that's a opinion in taste for women though, some like the dumbass 'white knight', whereas I enjoy fighting my own battles, speaking for myself and knowing what I want and being able to convey that without the help of a 'nice guy'.
Sorry if that's come off as bitchy or aggro but 'nice guys' and 'white knights' really gets on my tits. (>>)

 

[Overusedname]

Of course, why would a man do this? The most popular theory/idea/whatever is that they do it to attract other women or the woman in question, because it makes the seem appear more valuable as a protector or whatever... Which is not entirely untrue from my experience and seeing a good bit of evidence elsewhere. Or their belief that women are weaker and need to be protected from men under all circumstances no matter what. Neither exactly appears to be a very likable character trait and is extremely sexist in itself imo.

That's what white knighting is supposed to mean, I suppose. But I think it's often it's a misused term.

I've dealt with plenty of incompetent women, or cruel, stupid women, and I call them out on it and distance myself (or try to get them fired, etc.) They deserve the crap they get, as much as men do. One of the most notable examples of early feminism (before the term was as hated as it is now) was when a women refused to be let off the hook in the court by virtue of being a women. She wanted a full sentence, just as a man would get.

I just want people to treat the smart women with respect. Not the dumb ones.

(Though I know this comment wasn't directing any ill-will towards anyone. Don't fret. )

That is all. Agree or disagree, that is as far as I'm going. No quote wars for me.

Can we quote arm wrestle then?

 

[Jun_Jun]

That is all. Agree or disagree, that is as far as I'm going. No quote wars for me.

Can we quote arm wrestle then?

Quote group hug? C'mon Mick you need a hug

 

[Imp_Emissary]

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I've been called a lesbian and stuff by non gamer women too when they have found out about my hobby. Not that there is anything wrong with being a lesbian, but I am not one.

There is pretty much a hostile atmosphere to being a female gamer from both genders a lot of the time.

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I've been called a lesbian and stuff by non gamer women too when they have found out about my hobby. Not that there is anything wrong with being a lesbian, but I am not one.

There is pretty much a hostile atmosphere to being a female gamer from both genders a lot of the time.

There's still plenty of stigma around a gamer in general whether or not your a boy or a girl.

Males who are openly known to be gamers tend get an extra helping of virgin-shaming for example...

I certainly learned to keep my mouth shut next time I moved to another state.

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I've been called a lesbian and stuff by non gamer women too when they have found out about my hobby. Not that there is anything wrong with being a lesbian, but I am not one.

There is pretty much a hostile atmosphere to being a female gamer from both genders a lot of the time.

It's not just that but they tend to look down on you(quite a few of them normal women), I remember going to a get together dinner with some friends and I naturally found myself in the media room huddled around the plasma TV my mate had hooked his pc up to, we were watching various gaming related funnies etc. With all the men in the group, which I didn't see a problem with.
But I overheard later on one of the girls having a ***** about me having 'no shame' apparently 'hanging off all the guys in the room even though she has a fiancé', I had a bit of a chuckle since I was sitting next to my fiancé the entire time. I guess (this isn't always the case, certainly seemed the case in this scenario) that this girl saw me as some sort of threat because I was able to hang out and relate to all those men in that small room and be completely comfortable, I guess she couldn't get her little mind around that so she equated it to me trying to sexually exploit them. :/

Sad. But there is a bright side to everything.

Ya know what terrifies me most about my childhood? (To be fair I'm only 20, so for give me if I seem to be trying to be that old guy that's "always been there".) If I hadn't been singled out and picked on since first grade, I really may have become just like those little turds. I was a brat. I had real issues as a kid, still have a few, but it use to be a lot worse. Don't ask me how I got better, I have no idea. Just got better around 6th grade. I never got picked on for playing games though, but everyone was already picking on me so maybe that's why. So I still would probably still be playing games, but I'd probably be like one of those asshats telling women to get out of gaming and saying other such garbage. Also, I was never physically bullied oddly. Even though I was always a skinny short kid.

Anyway, even though I hated my childhood, at least at school, if going through all that set me on the path that led me here to all of you wonderful people, then I think it was a fair trade. It's stupid that some people are still giving you crap, but don't let it worry any of you. That WILL change. No question. As for right now, we will always have the Escapist.

 

[Overusedname]

Ya know what terrifies me most about my childhood? (To be fair I'm only 20, so for give me if I seem to be trying to be that old guy that's "always been there".) If I hadn't been singled out and picked on since first grade, I really may have become just like those little turds. I was a brat. I had real issues as a kid, still have a few, but it use to be a lot worse. Don't ask me how I got better, I have no idea. Just got better around 6th grade. I never got picked on for playing games though, but everyone was already picking on me so maybe that's why. So I still would probably still be playing games, but I'd probably be like one of those asshats telling women to get out of gaming and saying other such garbage. Also, I was never physically bullied oddly. Even though I was always a skinny short kid.

I was bullied and always pick last until highschool, were I suddenly hosted several school events and was able to start a writing club. That was a weird transition.

I think it's because even when I was bullied, I had cool girls in my life, and still do.

Anyway, even though I hated my childhood, at least at school, if going through all that set me on the path that led me here to all of you wonderful people, then I think it was a fair trade. It's stupid that some people are still giving you crap, but don't let it worry any of you. That WILL change. No question. As for right now, we will always have the Escapist.

*brofist*

I'm a guy...

Why do people assume I'm a girl? o__O

Actually, that question answers itself. I saw someone else call you a 'her' before.

Sorry bro, didn't realize XD

 

[Spearmaster]

The thing is that it gets used often in situations where people really couldn't even know if that was the situation or that it would be somewhat ludicrous to assume is the situation. It gets used to just shut down discussion. If you want to call someone who defends women regardless a white knight fine, but people don't go and show that's what someone's doing. They say it to avoid actually addressing what people say.

What about the self satisfaction people hold for them selves for being supposedly supremely moral in a situation, is it not also self-serving making it a form of white knighting?

And yes self-satisfaction is a reward and an incentive.