Also I may or may not be a fan of your youtube channel and awesomely thoughtful videos (>>)
for this topic and thread, surprising me yet again that there is quite a few members on this forum who act sensibly about Gender issues within this community, He's leading quite an example keeping his responses classy and composed, you sir are a gentleman and a scholar (and probably a wizard) we should follow suit. Keep being classy everyone we will out class the Haters with our classy.. err... swag! everyone get your tophats and monocles! Sweet ass 'staches are optional!
It doesn't get to me. I was way to bullied as a little kid to let this kinda thing bug me by comparison.
But I think all that bullying has made me hate insensitivity in general on a personal level. I can't just shut up and let it happen near me or I develop a rash.
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Speaking of WOW I had a guy toss me out of his guild because I wouldn't 'cyber' with him. The guy had just had a baby with his gf who was in the same guild...
He was... trying to... cheat on his girlfriend with... someone he may never meet? Who has the ability to contact his girlfriend immediately? Uh... I'd probably laugh if I was in that situation. Wow.
Eh, I think that's being to nice to him. Don't get me wrong, I understand why you wouldn't want any part of the kind of dram. It's just that if someone tries to cheat once, they will probably try again. Heck, if he was bold enough to send you pictures of his...unit, he may have done that before, or he was just stupid. You know this person more than me. I just hope it was only one moment of weakness. If not, hope the kid and mom arn't messed up because of this guy's bad choices.
If I sound like I'm judging you I apologise. I don't any I have experience with being in such a situation, so I don't think I can rightfully judge another person doing what I don't believe would be the best choice because I never had to make that choice for real. Can't be on a high horse if you haven't even been on a pony. But I can try a medium sized one.
SNIP
That's it? Fuck, I'm beating you, and I'm a dude. Best one was when the guy blured out the face of his dog, but not his face or his cock. At least he loved his dog enough to protect him/her from strange men he sends pictures of his dick to! HA!
Just a question, since I don't know your mind, but do you see how one could twist this response into something which supports the double standards and potentially hypocritical positions that people take issue with?
Well for all I know it might of just been a moment of weakness seems harsh to ruin his life with his new family over something like that.
That said I had the same thing with my ex who beat me, by the time I recovered enough to do anything about it he already had a new wife and baby. I didn't want to ruin their lives and send him to prison. But you are right I am perhaps, too soft.
Well I kind of assumed that those guys were sending those pics to come onto me. That picture you described sounds more like he was trying to gross you out or something. I meant no offense by it.
But jokes and TSC aside: I think in the future topics we need to clarify what kind of people we are talking about. The batshit crazy feminist stereotype which hates all kind of depiction of female sexuality and, as a doublestandard, accepts any kind of depiction male sexuality? Or the normal gamer-gal who might be put off of games where the whole female cast can be summarized as "BOOBIES!" and where the whole advertisement consists of exactly that?
I think it would male this kind of discussions way more pleasing for everyone.
That made me chuckle. A poetic misspelling indeed (assuming it is that)...sorry, what were we talking about? Oh yeah, I think you pretty much nailed it down pat there.
I wonder though, where are those batshit crazy feminists you mention? Because I sure don't notice their presence; most of the complaints seem to come from the normal gamer-gals (for the reasons you mention), at least in my experience. Maybe I hang out in the wrong places.
Or maybe those "batshit crazy feminists" just aren't very common? Maybe even to the point of being near non-existent?
I'm not too sure how to start this basically gonna put into words my experience with gaming when growing up and up till now, here I go..
I'd say I've been a (fem)gamer quite a long time ever since I was young,(about 6 or 7?)when my family got our first console which was the Sega master system, I wasn't really allowed to touch the console I was only allowed to watch my brothers play sonic, wonderboy and alex the kid, and usually it wouldn't take too long for them to punch me or kick me out of the room, it didn't help that my parents also enforced this by having the attitude that as a girl I should be out doing girl things and not inside playing awesome ass videogames. (I mean hell I wasn't allowed to join the Scouts with my brothers and learn to skin a kangaroo with my teeth, instead I had to go to girl guides(girlscouts) and sell a butt-ton of cookies)I remember once or twice getting up super early in the morning before the sun rose so I could play Sonic in secret and completely crapping myself imagining what would happen if I got caught. I guess you could say that I sort of 'idolised' gaming, it was this big forbidden fruit that everyone else seemed to get a bite of except me. My family eventually got a N64 I actually was allowed to play for about 20mins every now and then, still got kicked out of the console's resident room for trying to watch though. Eventually my family decided that they should get a home PC and my brothers got Half-Life this was something I was definitely not allowed to watch (I can get that I was about 8 or 9 when that came out it was a bit scary)so I used to sit in my bedroom with my ear pressed against the wall trying to hear what was going on, excited that there was spoken dialogue in the game so I could piece what was happening. I still feel incredibly nostalgic when I hear certain Half-Life sound effects (such as the sound when you pick up health or this
I guess this would be it since it is the loudest thing in that game..
). Eventually my brothers got their own TVs and set ups in their own rooms, both got jobs and bought themselves an xbox, which I ended up missing that particular console generation. Things didn't really pick up until I got into high school and I met a nice bunch of 'gamer dudes' we hung out and I used to visit their houses after school most days and play old console games (such as ocarina of time, mariokart, banjo kazooie, super smash bros and mortal kombat). I played console games at their houses or sat on MSN and chatted about games, in a strange turn of events I visited Scotland (my family's homeland) and some Cousins introduced me to an online game called Guild Wars they told me if I bought the game back in Aus I could play online with them, soon after returning home I told my eldest brother who in a strange turn of kindness bought me the game, I rarely got to play though.(and I don't think I ever played with my cousin) Eventually my final year of high school came around and I swore off games and other distractions and focused on studies, after graduating I was 'free' I got a job and started playing games on a daily basis and have never looked back, I got back into Guild Wars and found a wonderful guild who showed me what online gaming could be like if everyone was a bit more civil, and I branched out from there, I bought a Wii, got a steam account (got the orange box) and played the crap out of the Half-Life series, and pretty much tried any game I could get my hands on. I guess you could blame my obsession with gaming on my family, they're the ones who tried to discourage me by telling me it was a 'boys only club' and I would never fit in and would only get in the way, and it was horribly unbecoming of me and antisocial. I play MMO's and FP's nightly with guilds/clans and I have made quite a few lifelong friends so sorry for this massive wall of text thanks for reading if you've made it this far. ^^
I will also add that irl I do get strange reactions from people, mostly women who refuse to talk to me ever again after finding out that I (/gasp) enjoy games! More than one who've gone as far as saying I'm gender confused(yeah, don't ask). Although I have said in quite a few previous posts that I tend to have masculine personality traits, I've actually found it very hard to keep any female friends because most of the time they just think we're too different to possibly have anything in common, so all my friends are male and I'm proud and honoured to say that they treat me as an equal, like another male, not as this strange new visitor from another world that must be treated differently lest they insult my people and their customs, and really I think that's all female gamers want, I know I'm happy with it.
:,(....That was beautiful! Thank you for sharing. Honestly, if these people refused to even be around you just because you have a hobby they think you shouldn't have they probably weren't worth having as friends. Nothing to regret.
I've been called a lesbian and stuff by non gamer women too when they have found out about my hobby. Not that there is anything wrong with being a lesbian, but I am not one.
There is pretty much a hostile atmosphere to being a female gamer from both genders a lot of the time.
That made me chuckle. A poetic misspelling indeed (assuming it is that)...sorry, what we were talking about? Oh yeah, I think you pretty much nailed it down pat there.
I wonder though, where are those batshit crazy feminists you mention? Because I sure don't notice their presence; most of the complaints seem to come from the normal gamer-gals (for the reasons you mention), at least in my experience. Maybe I hang out in the wrong places.
Or maybe those "batshit crazy feminists" just aren't very common? Maybe even to the point of being near non-existent?
Heh, now the pointing out of my misspelling made my evening.
I refer to the mystic kind of "batshit crazy feminist" many people seem to encounter when this kind of discussion starts. I've never met one / seen one but since there are always a bunch of people budging in and crying that only this kind of woman complains about gaming (ala "it was always this way and now feminists want to take the sexy out of gaming") I think it would be really helpfull for this kind of people to make sure that most people are not talking about this kind of... myth? Yeah, I think myth is the right word.
I know, I was being rhethorical there. I shouldn't have taken out that final sentence...stupid Hjalmar.
In any case, it occured to me that you may have used a word incorrectly in your previous post:
TheKasp said:
The batshit crazy feminist stereotype which hates all kind of depiction of female sexuality and, as a doublestandard, accepts any kind of depiction male sexuality?
Now I read that as fanservice rather than sexuality, bur if you did mean sexuality you would have to reverse the order of "male" and "female" for your point to work.
Sheesh, I seem to be having a real Grammar Nazi-night now. Maybe it is my mutinous bowels...
I've been called a lesbian and stuff by non gamer women too when they have found out about my hobby. Not that there is anything wrong with being a lesbian, but I am not one.
There is pretty much a hostile atmosphere to being a female gamer from both genders a lot of the time.
It's not just that but they tend to look down on you(quite a few of them normal women), I remember going to a get together dinner with some friends and I naturally found myself in the media room huddled around the plasma TV my mate had hooked his pc up to, we were watching various gaming related funnies etc. With all the men in the group, which I didn't see a problem with.
But I overheard later on one of the girls having a ***** about me having 'no shame' apparently 'hanging off all the guys in the room even though she has a fiancé', I had a bit of a chuckle since I was sitting next to my fiancé the entire time. I guess (this isn't always the case, certainly seemed the case in this scenario) that this girl saw me as some sort of threat because I was able to hang out and relate to all those men in that small room and be completely comfortable, I guess she couldn't get her little mind around that so she equated it to me trying to sexually exploit them. :/
I've been called a lesbian and stuff by non gamer women too when they have found out about my hobby. Not that there is anything wrong with being a lesbian, but I am not one.
There is pretty much a hostile atmosphere to being a female gamer from both genders a lot of the time.
Yeah I get ya it's hard to talk about gaming sometimes people act like you are a child or something and considering it's mostly what I do it's hard for me to fit in sometimes.
I was really surprised at the positive reaction people have to my games reviews. On one a dev came on the thread to say thankyou and said that one of my ideas that I said the game might be missing (co-op) might be implemented on the back of my review. It was nice to have some positive feedback from being a gamer and people have said that I might have found my calling. It was nice.
I'll post it but I hope I don't get into trouble with the mods. I'm not trying to self promote.
http://www.strategycore.co.uk/articles/reviews/revenge-of-the-titans-review/
There was some point you made that I wanted to talk about, but seeing as it's quite late here (same timezone as you) I think I will save that for tomorrow. Or take it to PM in case of thread lock.
I've never really thought about it that way but I guess other women might feel threatened by that.
I've never understood some women's need to stop men from gaming when they enjoy it just because they want to spend time with them. Why not join in yourself?
My best mate plays CS:GO with his male friends (that I often play other multiplayers with like LFD) and I don't try and get into that because I know they need some 'lad time' and also the were all professional tournie players and I'd probably look ridiculous.
My parents never minded me playing video games when I was a kid. Just as long as they weren't too adult or mind-numbingly stupid.
Hell, my dad INTRODUCED me to gaming before I'd even started school.
A lot of my male family members and friends played video games as I was growing up, too. Even before I learned to play myself I watched my dad and uncle playing football games on the Spectrum and when my dad's cousin couldn't play his games for a while I was allowed to borrow them for a few weeks. (I friggin' loved Road Rash.)
I never had to "reveal" myself as a gamer to them as a result. For most of my male friends and aquaintances it's usually one of the first things we ever discuss when we meet for the first couple of times. Exchanging titles we've played and suggestions for what to play next.
It's a large part of my life that's been there for as long as I can remember in one form or another. To me it's no more or less valid than discussing favourite movies. It's a method of determining the kind of person you're talking to. If somebody comes up with "Rapelay" you'd know to run a mile and not turn back.
It's also safe to say that hardly anybody has ever beaten me at videogame-based hangman or charades.
"Zone of the Enders: The First Runner? WHAT THE F**K IS ZONE OF THE ENDERS?!?!?!?!?"
"Ski Free?"
"Duck Hunt?"
"Orphen: Scion of Sorcery?"
"Daikatana? NOW YOU'RE JUST MAKING S**T UP!"
And there was somebody that said women are less competitive than men?
Watch two sisters play Crash Team Racing. You're DEAD WRONG! Lol.
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so sorry for this massive wall of text thanks for reading if you've made it this far. ^^.gif)
