Ashamed to be part of the gaming community some days (like today).
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I've been following this for a while on other sites and there are two main reasons:xPixelatedx said:
1: She was fairly promonent in the marketing for DA 2, much more so than in earlier titles by Bioware, this and her comments on not liking games made her a scapegoat for people who were dissapointed in the game. She's also kept herself more in the spotlight with the Twitter account. This got her a fair ammount of hate but nothing excessive, far less than I've seen given to Pete Hines or Todd Howard for example. I also saw a couple of images attributing some really stupid quotes to her that I've been told she didn't actually say, so it's a self-repeating cycle, she says stupid things so people hate her so they make her seem more stupid so more people hate her.
2: Ten she responded to the hate by saying
That's what provoked the really disgusting misogyny and a tidal wave of abuse on twitter.
And now more repectable sites are cleaning up by blaming the whole thing on trolls and misogyny and we can all move on with nothing having been learned and everyone feeling the worse for it.
ive seen plenty of members of the gaming community act immature, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, racist, and...okay well just prejudice in general. i was expecting another example of that but i was not prepared for something this bad. the people who relentlessly bashed her, and especially this person who seems to be leading it all, should be ashamed of themselves and should in no way feel pressured to continue living
I agree, and also think that "hardcore" gamers would benefit from something such as this too.LittleBlondeGoth said:
After all, nowadays most games are designed so they can be "beaten" by a gamer as long as he knows how to use the controls and get the games concept. As such, entire games are balanced and structured so that they end up being "too easy" for experienced players, with the harder difficulties only being about "more enemies that die slower" or something along the lines of that.
As such, giving the opportunity to skip, or better yet, access every part of the game from the get go like a "mission select" or "dvd chapter" option could give designers the freedom to create more challenging setpieces and such from the get-go, knowing that if less able gamers get fed up with it, they can just skip it. (And with the added benefit of letting players easily replay thier favorite parts of the game without having to worry about savegames).
Alone in the Dark (the new one) did something like this, a great idea that never sprung because the game itself sucked.
So yeah, i'm all for "skippable" content.
On Topic: This is indeed something very shameful, yet it took far less for me to be ashamed to be part of the "gamer community"
I like how the White-knights and Biodrones suddenly come out of the woodworks to defend this writer who clearly stated that there should be a skip button on GAMEPLAY, you know, the only thing that sets GAMES from other forms of media? Really?
Anyways, I was sad when I read this, not because of the community, but because of the lack of professionalism on Bioware's part. They should learn that what people post on the internet about them is more or less just opinions and nothing more. The fact that they engaged, cursed, and even provoked them is really bad PR on their part, they should have used the comments on the internet and improved ME3 in order to shut us up instead of telling their market share to just "fuck off".
Bad move Bioware, bad move.
Anyways, I was sad when I read this, not because of the community, but because of the lack of professionalism on Bioware's part. They should learn that what people post on the internet about them is more or less just opinions and nothing more. The fact that they engaged, cursed, and even provoked them is really bad PR on their part, they should have used the comments on the internet and improved ME3 in order to shut us up instead of telling their market share to just "fuck off".
Bad move Bioware, bad move.
Loved her comeback! xD
"I just figure they're jealous that I get to have both a vagina AND a games industry job, and they can't get either."
Absolutely fantastic!!
I don't have too much to say about this except that some people should just get a life and not complain on just 1 person for a games fault. Also some people might actually think it's good, jusy like I like oranges but my brother doesn't.
"I just figure they're jealous that I get to have both a vagina AND a games industry job, and they can't get either."
Absolutely fantastic!!
I don't have too much to say about this except that some people should just get a life and not complain on just 1 person for a games fault. Also some people might actually think it's good, jusy like I like oranges but my brother doesn't.
I think it's interesting that some of us, like the OP, (me included, I must admit) still think of ourselves as being in a "gaming community". I guess it's because we follow gaming news sites like the Escapist.
However, other media don't feel like this. There's no "TV watching community" or "movie community". Even though gaming has become mainstream, it's hard for us to let go of our tribalism. Most gamers probably don't feel like this, because they are outside our self-appointed "hardcore gaming" circle.
I should feel more like a member of the Escapist community rather than an amorphous, catch-all group of gamers.
@Thatrocketeer
The branching conversations are still gameplay, just not the third-person shooter gameplay that you probably buy the game for. I can't see how more options to play the game how you want to are a bad thing. (I can think of one back-alley ambush in DAO that I would have gladly skipped due to a horrific difficulty spike. In the end, I had to go back to a previous save, and replay a couple of hours).
However, other media don't feel like this. There's no "TV watching community" or "movie community". Even though gaming has become mainstream, it's hard for us to let go of our tribalism. Most gamers probably don't feel like this, because they are outside our self-appointed "hardcore gaming" circle.
I should feel more like a member of the Escapist community rather than an amorphous, catch-all group of gamers.
@Thatrocketeer
The branching conversations are still gameplay, just not the third-person shooter gameplay that you probably buy the game for. I can't see how more options to play the game how you want to are a bad thing. (I can think of one back-alley ambush in DAO that I would have gladly skipped due to a horrific difficulty spike. In the end, I had to go back to a previous save, and replay a couple of hours).
A lot of gamers are total douchebags with no social skills who only enjoy trying to get a rise out of people. Not much you can do about it.
I don't see what the big deal is about her "skip combat" argument. What is the problem? My girlfriend would love to be able to skip combat and hell, even I've played some games where the combat bored me to tears and I just wanted through it. The first Mass Effect, I put on easy just to make the combat go by faster.
I don't see what the big deal is about her "skip combat" argument. What is the problem? My girlfriend would love to be able to skip combat and hell, even I've played some games where the combat bored me to tears and I just wanted through it. The first Mass Effect, I put on easy just to make the combat go by faster.
Still Life said:
And what does any of this have to to with the larger gaming community?
Seriously OP, this kind of generalizing is no good.
Personally I think this whole mess stinks of /b/.
"The cancer that is killing Bioware".
Yeah, sounds like /b/ alright.
Any you know, she should not have responded to them.
This is the bleeding internet, and most people should be very, vey aware what will happen if you feed the trolls.
Two words: Keyboard heroes.
If someone had the balls to say it to her face, then i'd consider respecting their opinion. Otherwise they just become the stereotypical basement dwelling bottom feeder spouting vitriol behind the safety of their computer.
Whatever you think about Bioware's games, if they are going down the pan, why don't you submit your resume and do a better job? Because all this anger and bitterness towards a writer is surely justified by your superior skills as a writer, right? [/s]
If someone had the balls to say it to her face, then i'd consider respecting their opinion. Otherwise they just become the stereotypical basement dwelling bottom feeder spouting vitriol behind the safety of their computer.
Whatever you think about Bioware's games, if they are going down the pan, why don't you submit your resume and do a better job? Because all this anger and bitterness towards a writer is surely justified by your superior skills as a writer, right? [/s]
Wow, just wow.... I retract my earlier dumbfoundment, this looks legit and deserved. She should have really known better then to make a public statement like that. That is definitely a call to arms in net speak.Axolotl said:
I'm very much so a "gameplay first, everything else second" person most of the time, but I'm all in favor of options like that. I actually wish there had been one available in DA:O, and I might've finished the game if it had existed. The character interactions were kind of interesting, but I found the combat kind of tedious and eventually got tired of it and quit playing. If that can happen to me, someone who frequently plays games with zero plot at all purely for the combat/gameplay mechanics, what's wrong with doing something to make it more accessible to people who aren't interested in killing a bunch of darkspawn by hand in the first place, especially in something that has such an enormous amount of story and character interaction? It's not like it hurts the people playing it for the action any more than it hurts the people playing for the story when someone pushes the "skip cutscene" button...thatonedude11 said:
Oh yeah, I am sure they were just horrible and totally crossing the line. But the thing is it is hard to feel bad for someone who put their fists up and got into it, I mean what did she expect; she trolled them back. In this day and age I expect people to be a bit more choosing with their battles, and picking a fight with people already quite vocal and unshy to say and do what they want on the internet is like picking a fight with an entire random bar you just walked into. You are going to get hurt, probably bad. there is no excuse to be this ignorant of how the internet works, and if you are you you shouldn't be using it... and you sure as hell shouldn't be making public statements for a company like BioWare.Axolotl said:
No problem, I plan to. 'cause what I said is MY opinion and it's up to anyone if their offended from an anonymous person on the net.Zhukov said:
Its her fault that she's receiving all that flak anyways, point is, she herself gave her opinion that obviously would generate much hate from the community. Yes, it's an interview, but point is, she represents a company for gamers. Their market shares are gamers. She should've just used a neutral thing, to prevent flak, instead of telling that. Its her fault she doesn't take responsibility for her own actions, and I'd like to call that all those who defend her from her supposed "harassments" that are more or less just internet flak from the the vocal minority, white knights and drones.
What gamers do - and it has pissed me off for the longest time - is pour shit over someone else's work, claiming they are ruining it, or that they could do better. And NEVER. NEVER, in the history of anyone attacking someone's work like that has the attacker ever produced anything better and quite typically - NEVER produced even a single thing.Still Life said:
In their mind - where they live in their fantasy world - they believe they could have written something better. That they could have made something inspirational that would have blown everyone's minds and become legendary for how awe-inspiring it would have been. But it's not. Because it's only in their mind. In their delusional mind.
All writers start out with the same amazing ideas in their minds. But in translating what's in their heads to the page it often ends up only half as good. But it's still one hundred times better than the NOTHING that all those attackers have produced. And if they ever got off their asses and tried and complete something in their life then they'd understand that once you share something with others and put it into concrete form then it's never as great as you envisioned. But at least you've done something.
Writing is hard. Committing to something and following it through to completion is hard. Working in a professional environment is hard. Internet ranters, idiot gamers and so-called film buffs are all guilty of the same thing - all talk and no pants.