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Von Strimmer

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I'm not going to lie I slightly agree with the bloke who was a bit miffed about the constant talk of homosexuality in the game. If there is an option to skip dialogue and an option to skip action, cant there be an option to choose your character to be hetero or homo? I dont understand why Shepard would be straight for 2 games and then all of a sudden go "hang on, I'm gay!"

Meh, ah well if the game is anything like the demo... :D:D:D:D:D:D
 

Scarim Coral

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Honestly both side are wrong (typical people shouldn't troll while I do question to why she work in a game company where she doesn't play games herself. Yes I know she probably stay for the money. If she doesn't like games that much than she should be more invested toward those Japanese visual novels type of game).

Also why should I be ashamed? My attitude and behivour is nowhere near troll level and beside people shouldn't generalize the gamer community as a whole.
 

Thatrocketeer

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jezcentral said:
The branching conversations are still gameplay, just not the third-person shooter gameplay that you probably buy the game for. I can't see how more options to play the game how you want to are a bad thing. (I can think of one back-alley ambush in DAO that I would have gladly skipped due to a horrific difficulty spike. In the end, I had to go back to a previous save, and replay a couple of hours).
Thing is, though a skip for a portion of difficult gameplay is nice, and I myself wouldn't mind that back then (Demon wall - FFVII), the option that she suggested is just skip gameplay entirely and just go right in to dialogue and cutscenes. Branching conversations are not gameplay, well, for me, since dialogues are more or less exposition dumps and breaks flow, I prefer subtle storytelling through wandering the area. And besides, if I wanted to hear/read dialogues, I'd rather read a book.
 

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LittleBlondeGoth said:
Littaly said:
... Out of pure curiosity though, which parts of Dragon Age was she responsible for? Not that it changes anything, but it would be interesting to know.

Buy you know what? I actually think her "skip the combat" idea has its merits. My other half and I play a lot of games, and it's not something we'd consider using. But I'm not thinking about us. I'm thinking about his mum who, whilst she loves the stories, characters, mysteries and puzzle solving in games like Tomb Raider or Uncharted, doesn't have the manual dexterity to pull off all the running, jumping or shooting required to advance the plot, thanks to arthritis inher fingers. What exactly would be so inherrently wrong with having a game mode that meant she didn't have to rely on pixel perfect moves? Why shouldn't even more people be able to get enjoyment out of the medium of games?
Whilst I dont object to removing the combat for the reasons you describe, if you removed all the running jumping and combat from Uncharted 3 wouldnt the game be about 20 minutes long?
 

Yopaz

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I think that it needs to be said that if you work in the game industry and say that you don't like games and you'd like to see games accessible for those who don't like games you did say something quite stupid. That said it's a lot more stupid to start hating a person just because she got different opinions.
 

Zhukov

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Thatrocketeer said:
Zhukov said:
Hear that, people?

If you object to someone being harassed then you are a try-hard White Knight or a mindless drone.

Stay classy mate, stay classy.
No problem, I plan to. 'cause what I said is MY opinion and it's up to anyone if their offended from an anonymous person on the net.

Its her fault that she's receiving all that flak anyways, point is, she herself gave her opinion that obviously would generate much hate from the community. Yes, it's an interview, but point is, she represents a company for gamers. Their market shares are gamers. She should've just used a neutral thing, to prevent flak, instead of telling that. Its her fault she doesn't take responsibility for her own actions, and I'd like to call that all those who defend her from her supposed "harassments" that are more or less just internet flak from the the vocal minority, white knights and drones.
Right. What the hell kind of logic is that? She presented a controversial viewpoint, so it's her fault that people are acting like hateful, disgusting little brats about it?

Yeah, that attitude gets to fuck right off in short order.
 

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Still Life said:
From Destructoid:

http://www.destructoid.com/bioware-writer-s-vagina-versus-the-internet-222206.phtml?s=50#comments

By far her greatest "crime" was suggesting that games should let the player skip combat, stating: "Games almost always include a way to "button through" dialogue without paying attention, because they understand that some players don't enjoy listening to dialogue and they don't want to stop their fun. Yet they persist in practically coming into your living room and forcing you to play through the combats even if you're a player who only enjoys the dialogue."
Whoa, whoa, what!? Stop for a second, that might actually make some degree of sense. I know there are some missions in Mass Effect I would love to skip the combat sections of. (Grunt's recruitment would be so much more tolerable.) And even if this was a bad idea, it's not like she has any actual control over it.
 

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Wait...is this the same Jennifer Hamburger Helper who owned DnD in the Spelljammer era and tried to wreck its shit by trying so hard to make something generic and at the same time act smug about not having ever played DnD? Her stupid attitude towards gaming (and trying to you know, create games) caused the people writing 'Jammer to go to town on crazy ass everything (Tinker gnomes, for example). So we have her stupid, smug mindset to thank for that. But the hate for her is justified for the above reasons at the same time as provoking something awesome.

The article itself, eh. It seems biased towards her, it shouldn't be. She is a bane to gaming.
 

Dogstile

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I was all up for defending her a little until I saw the comment about having a vagina and an industry job.

Welp, that erodes any good will I had for her. Especially since she doesn't really play games.
 

IronFrog

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I wish her response was even less professional. Those people certainly love to ***** but there's no way they'd do any better, and from the sounds of it their outrage over the same sex relationships in games is a bit hypocritical because chances are the person making the complaint jerked off to it while he was playing the game :p
 

Thatrocketeer

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Zhukov said:
Thatrocketeer said:
Zhukov said:
Hear that, people?

If you object to someone being harassed then you are a try-hard White Knight or a mindless drone.

Stay classy mate, stay classy.
No problem, I plan to. 'cause what I said is MY opinion and it's up to anyone if their offended from an anonymous person on the net.

Its her fault that she's receiving all that flak anyways, point is, she herself gave her opinion that obviously would generate much hate from the community. Yes, it's an interview, but point is, she represents a company for gamers. Their market shares are gamers. She should've just used a neutral thing, to prevent flak, instead of telling that. Its her fault she doesn't take responsibility for her own actions, and I'd like to call that all those who defend her from her supposed "harassments" that are more or less just internet flak from the the vocal minority, white knights and drones.
Right. What the hell kind of logic is that? She presented a controversial viewpoint, so it's her fault that people are acting like hateful, disgusting little brats about it?

Yeah, that attitude gets to fuck right off in short order.
That's exactly it, she presented a controversial viewpoint, controversial things often generate hate because of contradicting opinions other people have, or in this case, those gamers, and I as well have. She could have handled things better by not presenting it at all.

She knew that her opinion was controversial, she had the choice to avoid the flak, yet she didn't, did she? And those people are acting like hateful, disgusting little brats because of what she said, or rather, what she didn't do and you're saying it wasn't well deserved?
 

Candidus

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Much of the vitriol aimed at Hepler is both justifiable and well deserved.

Among many other transgressions, admitting that she has a great love for literature criminals like Meyer (Twilight), then writing Anders (Cullen) as some sort of sub-fanfiction quality borderline clone of that awful book's male protagonist (I love you, but I'll hurt you, oh I can't control it! repeated ad nauseum) is not the sort of thing that impresses fans of the classics like Planescape, Baldur's Gate and Fallout 1+2.

I couldn't care less about the attacks on her. As far as I'm concerned, she should be fired because her writing is garbage. If the attacks cause her to resign instead, that's a dirtier but still acceptable win for the written word and videogames.
 

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Still Life said:
One member of RPG Codex hit it spot-on imo:

"The game industry teaches people that game developers are all geniuses, and that gaming keeps getting better year after year. There are no problems with this vision as long as people are satisfied with the games being released. But when a game comes out that's less than satisfactory, the cracks start to show. This is why people can so vehemently defend Bioware; they're constantly being told by the gaming media, advertising, and other fans that Bioware has great writing and their games are the best rpgs evar. When a game comes out that is definitely not a good RPG, a portion of the fanbase has this illusion shattered for them and they instantly become bitter trolls who can't stand change or don't understand Bioware's "VISION" in the eyes of the faithful.

Hepler is just the unlucky recipient of this pent up anger. Even those who have recently abandoned Bioware probably still love their earlier games (I can sympathize; I really liked BG1 and BG2 but everything they've done since then has paled in comparison). So they look for a target; a scapegoat they can blame for the decline. And then Hepler makes stupid comments about how she hates gameplay, and how anyone who doesn't love her work is either sexist or homophobic, like she's some kind of writing god and all who criticize her are heretics who should be shunned from society if not burned at the stake. I can understand the anger coming from these people.

The problem with all this anger is that Bioware won't understand where it's coming from and just dismiss it as mass trolling, as if thousands of people have nothing better to do than try to hurt their feelings. Good game developers listen to criticism; they recognize that anger has a purpose, and people are only angry because they care about the game in question. The worst reaction from fans is silence - it means they just don't care. But I digress. The devs at Bioware have surrounded themselves with a cult of faithful sycophants and any criticism is dismissed by dozens of loyal posters. Jokes about ding dong bannu aside, the worst part of that forum isn't the overzealous moderation, it's the echo chamber effect where any voice of dissent is shot down by other posters. It's demoralizing to post legitimate criticism only to be called a troll, or have all your carefully thought out points be called wrong for stupid reasons. Why even bother posting criticism when the reaction is universal? Then the disillusioned forum goer will either slip back into the fold, or flee to /v/, the Codex, or other sites where their opinion won't be so universally rejected. The Bioware forum goers probably think they're perfectly reasonable people, too; they are only sticking up for the best rpg developer evar. Bioware can do no wrong, so anyone who tries to criticize them is either mistaken or just a troll. If you think they've made a mistake, just look at all these posts by people who disagree with you!

So basically, the state of things at Bioware are the result of the game industry's masturbatory self-praise and rejection of any meaningful criticism, and Bioware won't learn anything from this because of how sheltered they've made themselves. As their games continue to decline in quality, their audience will grow smaller and their reputation with gamers will suffer. If Bioware wants to save themselves from being assimilated by EA, they need to hire some better writers, hire some community managers to assess criticism from fans, and generally work on restoring their reputation for good RPGs rather than the action/dating sims they're becoming known for. I doubt that'll happen, though."
 

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Despite her writing being pretty awful, there is no way she deserves these kinds of personal insults. Criticize her writing and comments, definitely, but personally attack her? That's just low.

It's not just Twitter either. A couple weeks ago I think there was a thread on Reddit with a ton of posts calling her a "fat *****" and other things along those lines. That's not legitimate criticism, that's just stupidity. You guys aren't making your point this way, you're simply showing the world how entitled and misogynistic the gaming community can be. Good job.
 

Zhukov

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Thatrocketeer said:
That's exactly it, she presented a controversial viewpoint, controversial things often generate hate because of contradicting opinions other people have, or in this case, those gamers, and I as well have. She could have handled things better by not presenting it at all.

She knew that her opinion was controversial, she had the choice to avoid the flak, yet she didn't, did she? And those people are acting like hateful, disgusting little brats because of what she said, or rather, what she didn't do and you're saying it wasn't well deserved?
Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying.

I cannot fathom this notion that a person who says something controversial deserves to be called a fat cancerous *****. She did not make those people act the way they do. Those courageous little keyboard warriors chose to do it. She is not responsible for their actions.

I guess this is just what happens when you give poisonous, cowardly little turds a mouthpiece and the protection of anonymity.
 

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I'm so tired of this shit in this community.
Sadly, I doubt it will go away any time soon. This behaviour is a lot more common than some gamers realise.
I seriously doubt she would have got this amount of shit hurled at her if she was a man, its like people are just waiting for an excuse.
 

Vrach

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1) She's a public figure. Get used to being despised by random people
2) She works in one of, if not the single most prominent studio in the industry. What she says, what she thinks and what she does therefore has a large effect on the industry. People are allowed to be pissed off if she has a bad stance on something
3) Her response shows she's no better than the people who "harass" her, the quotation marks being there due to 1). The whining that what an employee says is a problem, while what random people say is fine is quite stupid, the employee needs to stay professional, especially when addressing people publicly. She, on the other hand, is acting like a teenager and you're pulling the "but they started it!" argument to defend her.
4) I agree her "let's let people skip combat" idea is stupid. I'd say letting people skip dialogue is stupid too (certainly is in the way BioWare's doing it with ME3, which I guess would be the crux of the matter), but the fact of the matter is that combat is something that's repetitive in it's nature, and therefore people don't mind doing it more than once (no more than they mind turning the pages of a book in order to move through it), while dialogue being repetitive is less fun if you're playing the game again.
5) While liking games is not a requirement for her job, it clearly shows where her ideas are coming from and it's a valid thing to complain against it when someone's speaking out against the core of the activity, especially when they do it with the weight she has (see 2). And no, that's not a fat joke.
 

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Its odd because I seem to be a fan of at least some of her writing since I'm a big fan of DA2; I mean Lord of the Rings it was not, but bar Anders (fuuuuck that guy) and Fenris (fuck that guy) I found most of the characters to be archetypal but fun, especially Varric Tethras, Paragon of Manliness and my Fem!Hawke's super best bro. Sebastian and Elthina were good too, and I liked Bethany. Maybe her talents would be best focused on writing novelisations and spin-off media. Although as someone who honestly finds Twilight to be compelling literature, it makes me nervous about my own taste.

Yet I cannot fathom why the idea of skipping Gameplay is considered in any way an innovation. Skipping things in passive media like books, films or TV is kind of okay since if you've read it before then there's literally NO room for a variable. In interactive media like video games, RPGs in particualr, there's usually a chance for something to go differently each time (unless you're like me and play a stagnant play style) so skipping any of it just seems....odd.
 

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I think both her comments about being able to skip combat and her response to comments made on her personal twitter are fair and the hate she's been getting is totally uncalled for. I've a couple of friends who've suggested I should try and make more gamer friends, but I just point them to incidents like this as a reason why I prefer to stay on the fringes as to be honest I can't see why people get so worked up about various games to then generate this type of response.

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Yet I cannot fathom why the idea of skipping Gameplay is considered in any way an innovation. Skipping things in passive media like books, films or TV is kind of okay since if you've read it before then there's literally NO room for a variable. In interactive media like video games, RPGs in particualr, there's usually a chance for something to go differently each time (unless you're like me and play a stagnant play style) so skipping any of it just seems....odd.
I just wanted to give a counter to your point here. While I agree that in a game where the story doesn't change however you play the option could seem a little redundent (unless thats the 20th time you've died to that one boss) games that have multiple storylines (often to help replayability) could benefit greatly. One of the great things about Bioware games (and other RPGs) is that various story points play out differently depending on what choices you make in the story sections with something like Mass Effect attempting to make these choices influence up to 3 games in a row. Now I would love to to replay Mass Effect 1 & 2 making opposite choices to what I did in my first playthrough to see what changes there are, but each time I get put off by the 15th firefight in the space of an hour (for the record, no I don't enjoy shooters). Why must I sit through multiple firefights that, once you've gotten a tactic down, are all pretty much the same to get to the areas of the game I'm interested in? I would also say that I've given up on a number of games I wanted to play for the story, but due to being pretty crap even when its on easy (if there's a choice at all) I haven't.

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jezcentral said:
Can anyone tell me the difference between skipping gameplay and turning on God-mode? We've all done it, haven't we?
To my mind, none. Sadly cheats like God mode are now almost non-existant so an option to either skip combat or make it so easy everything is a one shot kill would be a nice.