Ashamed to be part of the gaming community some days (like today).

[jezcentral]

Can anyone tell me the difference between skipping gameplay and turning on God-mode? We've all done it, haven't we?

 

[michael87cn]

Internet anonymity at work... allows people to say and do terrible things and feel great while doing them...

*sigh*

I feel sorry for her.

 

[Axolotl]

Despite her writing being pretty awful, there is no way she deserves these kinds of personal insults. Criticize her writing and comments, definitely, but personally attack her? That's just low.

It's not just Twitter either. A couple weeks ago I think there was a thread on Reddit with a ton of posts calling her a "fat *****" and other things along those lines. That's not legitimate criticism, that's just stupidity. You guys aren't making your point this way, you're simply showing the world how entitled and misogynistic the gaming community can be. Good job.

As I noted to a earlier poster in the thread most of the personal attacks only came after she said

"I just figure they're jealous that I get to have both a vagina AND a games industry job, and they can't get either."

In response to critisism. Now I'm not saying what the people said to her after that was justified (because it isn't) but it didn't just happen out of the blue. I feel like a terrible person typing this but: The Destructoid article quoted in the OP (and several similar articles I've seen on it) is biased against the misogynists, who while horrible and disgusting did not start throwing insults with no provocation.

 

[AlternatePFG]

Despite her writing being pretty awful, there is no way she deserves these kinds of personal insults. Criticize her writing and comments, definitely, but personally attack her? That's just low.

It's not just Twitter either. A couple weeks ago I think there was a thread on Reddit with a ton of posts calling her a "fat *****" and other things along those lines. That's not legitimate criticism, that's just stupidity. You guys aren't making your point this way, you're simply showing the world how entitled and misogynistic the gaming community can be. Good job.

As I noted to a earlier poster in the thread most of the personal attacks only came after she said

"I just figure they're jealous that I get to have both a vagina AND a games industry job, and they can't get either."

In response to critisism. Now I'm not saying what the people said to her after that was justified (because it isn't) but it didn't just happen out of the blue. I feel like a terrible person typing this but: The Destructoid article quoted in the OP (and several similar articles I've seen on it) is biased against the misogynists, who while horrible and disgusting did not start throwing insults with no provocation.

This was happening way before the Destructoid article and the comment she made. It happened right around the release of Dragon Age 2, with all the hype backlash and hate the game was getting from fans. After Hepler made a few comments that turned out to be really controversial on the forums (The ones about "Skipping Gameplay" and such, not the game industry one), some people made it their business to just start harassing her.

It doesn't even matter if she incited the comments anyway. Is the amount of hate she's getting proportional to that one comment in anyway? Aren't we supposed to be the bigger people and just call bullshit on the comment and move on? People claim to dislike her because she is a bad writer (Which I certainly agree with) with some questionable tastes in literature (Twilight, etc.) but instead of criticizing the writing, they just go on and on about how fat she is.

 

[Thatrocketeer]

That's exactly it, she presented a controversial viewpoint, controversial things often generate hate because of contradicting opinions other people have, or in this case, those gamers, and I as well have. She could have handled things better by not presenting it at all.

She knew that her opinion was controversial, she had the choice to avoid the flak, yet she didn't, did she? And those people are acting like hateful, disgusting little brats because of what she said, or rather, what she didn't do and you're saying it wasn't well deserved?

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying.

I cannot fathom this notion that a person who says something controversial deserves to be called a fat cancerous *****. She did not make those people act the way they do. Those courageous little keyboard warriors chose to do it. She is not responsible for their actions.

I guess this is just what happens when you give poisonous, cowardly little turds a mouthpiece and the protection of anonymity.

Well, those people aren't really anonymous, they're on twitter ffs.

Thing is though, she DID make those people act the way they do, controversy can cause hate, those "actions", which are nothing more than name calling, are the effect from that cause.

Anyways, my point is that all of these could have been avoided had she chosen to keep a controversial opinion to herself. Those reactions are repercussions that she most likely deserved are a result from someone who couldn't just shut up on a topic that she knows is controversial or even just rephrase it so that it wouldn't seem that controversial. I mean, she is a writer, rephrasing wouldn't be that hard.

Period is there, I'll say no more on the subject. I won't even include her provocation on "vaginas and her job" schtick since I know that everyone has a right to troll, even if it's a dumb move considering she's just giving them more fuel to their fiery rage. Hell, we're lucky that she's just being called names, I expected threats from that provoking statement.

Truth is, I'm more disappointed at how Bioware handled the outrage. "fuck off"? Really, Flynn?

 

[direkiller]

7. that screen shot of a possible new Bioware game is from a COD style FPS with a horrile story and wrting with HORRBIEL charachters that will be worse than DA2 and ME3 combined..(no dont argue with me I KNOW this I can tell from the colour they used)

RTS
but yea its a C&C game
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XK-ArPlw8Jw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAVjsRmGDlo&feature=related
the story is silly anyway

 

[Chairman Miaow]

Can anyone tell me the difference between skipping gameplay and turning on God-mode? We've all done it, haven't we?

Playing through a game with god-mode on can just be another way to play the game, skipping gameplay is watching a game. And I never used god-mode, I found it boring.

 

[Zhukov]

Thing is though, she DID make those people act the way they do, controversy can cause hate, those "actions", which are nothing more than name calling, are the effect from that cause.

Uh huh.

She made them act that way? Made them? Forced them? Engineered circumstances such that they had no possible alternative but to be arseholes?

Don't those people have the ability to chose to express themselves in a civil manner or shut the fuck up the same way she could have chosen to keep her opinions to herself?

Surely by your logic I could say that the interviewer forced her to express her opinions. After all, asking questions causes answers...

*gasp*

It's all the interviewer's fault! Quick, someone find their Twitter account so I can call them a fat *****!

 

[Axolotl]

This was happening way before the Destructoid article and the comment she made. It happened right around the release of Dragon Age 2, with all the hype backlash and hate the game was getting from fans. After Hepler made a few comments that turned out to be really controversial on the forums (The ones about "Skipping Gameplay" and such, not the game industry one), some people made it their business to just start harassing her.

It doesn't even matter if she incited the comments anyway. Is the amount of hate she's getting proportional to that one comment in anyway? Aren't we supposed to be the bigger people and just call bullshit on the comment and move on? People claim to dislike her because she is a bad writer (Which I certainly agree with) with some questionable tastes in literature (Twilight, etc.) but instead of criticizing the writing, they just go on and on about how fat she is.

Oh there certainly was critisism before but most of it wasn't personal and it was on level with the stuff directed at Gaider and that button-awesome guy (I don't remember his name of the top of my head) the really nasty comment, that get the notice of the various websites commentuing on this only came about after she said that, then the really offensive stuff started getting said. And I want to be clear, I do not in any way approve of the personal insults, they're immature and a fair ammount of them crossed all sorts of lines. But waht I don't like is that it's getting spun as "poor writer attacked by misogynist gamers" since it just gives Bioware another excuse to deflect critisism and avoid any attempt at improving their games.

 

[chadachada123]

Considering I'm a gamer and I had heard nothing of this all until today, nah, I'm not ashamed. It's not indicative of the gaming community, and isn't even indicative of the Dragon Age/KOTOR/Bioware fans. It's just indicative of the fact that the internet is full of dicks, and always will be.

 

[Woodsey]

I take issue with the particular statement she'd made which people had originally riled up against (boring old fantasy writers and Twilight being something to aspire to, in any sense) , but yes, it has just fallen into blind and rather ridiculous misogyny.

However, people do feel that there is an issue at BioWare, and unfortunately she lent credence to that argument by making positive comments about Twilight and dismissing a number of very highly-regarded authors in one fell swoop (whilst not being a particularly great writer).

Still, that's no excuse for the level and persistence of people's aggressiveness to her as a person.

 

[Random berk]

I don't know why this would make you ashamed to be a gamer. To paraphrase a Bioware character, every group has assholes and saints. These people are not a reflection on you, me, or gamers as a whole. I'll admit, she doesn't sound like she should be in the industry, praising the Twilight books and saying that games where you can skip the 'game' part should be a thing, but I'm not about to get on Twitter and start railing against her either for her opinions or for far more irrelevant things like her weight, or gender or whatever else they said.

 

[Thyunda]

..why such a negative reaction to skipping the combat? We have whole games without combat, so what's wrong with having equal-parts dialogue puzzles vs combat...?

 

[Thatrocketeer]

Thing is though, she DID make those people act the way they do, controversy can cause hate, those "actions", which are nothing more than name calling, are the effect from that cause.

Uh huh.

She made them act that way? Made them? Forced them? Engineered circumstances such that they had no possible alternative but to be arseholes?

Don't those people have the ability to chose to express themselves in a civil manner or shut the fuck up the same way she could have chosen to keep her opinions to herself?

Surely by your logic I could say that the interviewer forced her to express her opinions. After all, asking questions causes answers...

*gasp*

It's all the interviewer's fault! Quick, someone find their Twitter account so I can call them a fat *****!

Oh, ha ha, very funny.

I'd guess the first statement wasn't meant to be taken seriously, so I'll skip that.

Those people have the ability to express themselves in a civil manner, just like I've said that she had the ability to keep those opinions to herself, chosen another opinion that isn't controversial, or even rephrase her opinion so that it wouldn't generate much hate. She just didn't, so they didn't as well. The interviewer asked what one thing she could've put in most games, she could've said ANYTHING, yet she chose the controversial one without a careful thought of what might happen. Those people are just showing her what they thought about her, without a careful thought of what might happen.

 

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

While I do not agree with what is being done and there is nothing we can do about it since this is the internet the whole think could have been avoided with PR ages ago or just choosing her words better.

For example, if she had of said an option to watch the game like a movie after finishing the game. There would have been a lot less ire. Anyway nothing you can do but shun those who are like this to show them we don't want that kind of attitude in our hobby. So if we can do that that is something.

 

[Paradoxrifts]

Bioware should fire her immediately. For no other reason then that they pay her for her ability to write and yet she can't even hold her own on twitter for more than fourteen tweets from the internet hate machine.

That's a pretty weak effort.

 

[Jazoni89]

...And people wonder why Videogames are not taken seriously as a medium...pah!

One little smudge, and every gamer from timbucfuckingtoo is on the developers case, it's so god damn childish, and it reeks of some serious Autism issues (Yeah, I hate to generalize, but it's true for the most part, and I have high functioning Asbergers).

Sure gamers should expect a level of quality when it comes to their games (and of course hardware), but when they are nitpicky about every single damn thing, even down to the tiniest detail of the storyline, or a minor change in gameplay, it must be hard on developers to do anything right. Personal insults (rather than constructive criticism) to developers is just adding salt to the wounds.

I hate to rant on, but most Gamers can be a bunch of self righteous cunts at times, and some of the things I have see in my years in the gaming community makes me want to disconnect my internet forever, because of how many epic facepalms I have induced. Luckily this is one of the more sensible gaming sites.

 

[ImmortalDrifter]

She also did Anders

Well now I hate her. She destroyed my favorite character from awakening. Regardless of this however, she doesn't deserve to be subjected to verbal assault. Chastised for shitty writing? Yes. But personal insults have no place in this or any debate not centered around them.

I have a deft feeling it's just a group of trolls who got banned from /v/ and need somehwere else to be dicks.