The fact that they don't believe Jesus was God means that they don't worship the same Gods. Yes Christians and Jews have the same Old Testiment but the Christians' has been fulfilled while the Jews' hasn't.Erana said:
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You are not paying attention to what I am typing. They CAN'T be the same God because only Christians view Jesus as the son of God. He can't be both the son of God and not the Son of God.
That's ridiculous, It is the same god, it's how they believe in it's existence that differs. Jews don't believe as jesus as the son of god, and christians do, but both still have the lord almighty. They both have the same god, but one group believes in it's existence in a different sense and disagrees with the otherPatientGrasshopper said:
It can't be the same God if you disagree on the aspect of that God on What part of HIM is God or not. That differs from different denominations of Christians in that they agree on who God is in this aspect but just disagree on certain little thingsIsaac Dodgson said:
Do you believe Atheism is a religion?
Also somewhere above you said that sin will always exist because it's inborn in humans. So do you also believe that intolerance is inborn? Following that logic do you believe that your own intolerance is not, in fact, a sin?
Also somewhere above you said that sin will always exist because it's inborn in humans. So do you also believe that intolerance is inborn? Following that logic do you believe that your own intolerance is not, in fact, a sin?
So you're saying because one group believes that god is more than one entity, where as another believes that the SAME god is not more than one entity, that they both can't be the same god? Try thinking a little more abstract and less closed minded about it, and I mean such with the upmost respect. Religious debates tend to piss me off, because many i've had these debates with are closed minded, and stubborn in their ways, and I don't believe you to be so, sir.PatientGrasshopper said:
If I say someone is left handed and you say they are right handed and they are not ambidextrous only one of us is right we can't both be right.Isaac Dodgson said:
That hardly relates. Christians believe that God is both one and three (Father son and the Holy spirit) But jews believe the same god to be just one, and not three and one at once.PatientGrasshopper said:
It's complicated at best, but i've never talked to a jew who didn't admit to believing in the same god differently
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_b?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=essenes&x=0&y=0maximilian said:
a bunch of books have been written on the subject, i'm sure more than one scholar believes it
heck i do believe i've seen a thing or two on the history, discovery, pbs and national geographic about that exact subject, i do believe more than one person in it had a PhD behind their name or a Dr in front of it
oh and as for religious scholar, when is a reglious scholar required to tell history? i mean scientists and historians were able to explain what the 7 plagues of egypt and the pillars of fire and smoke where that lead them to freedom before the Jews spent 40 years wandering the desert, hey there's that crazy 40 number again
wrong YOU refuse to accept it, tons of scholars DO accept that theory about Jesus being an Essene
like i said there's tons of books on the subject written by ppl with PhD at the end of their name
actually i'm not grabbing generalizations i'm asking you specific things that you're giving me the answer of plugging your ears and saying "LALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU"
or you're totally ignoring my question
nope this is the correct place since there is a LOT to do with christianity, just because you don't think it's right doesn't mean it can't be brought up and asked of you
they aren't bizzarre fringe beliefs, there is a lot of credence to the claim
you have yet to answer the question about how you can say the bible is the word of god and truly christian and yet it's been changed so many times, which you say change and adaption of it makes it not christian
To help clarify Hell from a different Christian perspective than Max's, I believe Hell exists as a place completely void of God, not as a place where his wrath eternally tortures people. People make a choice not to follow God during their life, and God honors that decision in death by putting them in a place completely devoid of Him.
As other posters have brought up, a place where people who don't believe in God are eternally physically tortured would accomplish nothing other than making God a malevolent being, which he isn't. The Bible describes God as loving as well as vengeful, and I believe that the constant reference to fire and pain in Hell throughout the Bible represents internal sorrow at the lost connection with God. You can't take the Bible's description of a lake of fire completely literally, for instance, the Bible also states that upon Jesus' return, he will arrive "with a sword in his mouth". Obviously, this doesn't mean that He will come gagging on a medieval weapon, that sword represents Truth.
I'm not a theologian and I may not fully understand everything, but this idea of Hell makes the most sense to me.
As other posters have brought up, a place where people who don't believe in God are eternally physically tortured would accomplish nothing other than making God a malevolent being, which he isn't. The Bible describes God as loving as well as vengeful, and I believe that the constant reference to fire and pain in Hell throughout the Bible represents internal sorrow at the lost connection with God. You can't take the Bible's description of a lake of fire completely literally, for instance, the Bible also states that upon Jesus' return, he will arrive "with a sword in his mouth". Obviously, this doesn't mean that He will come gagging on a medieval weapon, that sword represents Truth.
I'm not a theologian and I may not fully understand everything, but this idea of Hell makes the most sense to me.
Actually, some religions that believe in one god, one part believe that Jesus was just a great prophet who died for his beliefs. Christians believe that Jesus is the only Son of God and therefore part of the three in one. Them not believing that Jesus is the only, true Son of God is what we majorly disagree with.CIA said:
I have some follow up questions now, I think you may see what I'm doing.maximilian said:
If I wanted to stop some bad people from things considered wrong by the Bible and kill them as a solution to this problem would that be a sin?
Is judging people a sin?
So do you believe we descended from Adam and Eve directly?
You mustn't have read my whole post.Tranka Verrane said:
Your response wasn't an argument, which I asked for. Punctuation doesn't make a point any better - if you read what I said you'd read you would have read this.
For linear time to come into existence there has to be at least some kind of concept of eternity - suggesting that the source of all life does not require a beginning (because beginning implies linear law). You might think that the addition of a deity doesn't solve the problem of the existence of time, but the addition of eternity certainly does.
Once again, I'll suggest the challenge.
Can someone please disprove the Christian God.
Stop beating round the bush by accusing him of murder etc. 1st grade atheist insults - tackle the real issue.
Why doesn't the Christian God exist?
Essentially nothing - both testaments are centred around the life, person and work of the man Jesus.Shiuz91 said:
The Old in anticipation of his coming -
The New in response to his first coming and in anticipation of his second.
It follows a simple motif too:
The Bible starts with the beginning of the universe ends with its consummation and renewal.
The Bible starts with the allegorical depiction of a garden, it ends with the image of a City.