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clutch-monkey

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jubosu said:
I am a gun enthusiast of my own sort.
I hunt,shoot targets, and the like.
I would just like to know your opinion.
Is there a feasible reason to own a Desert Eagle?
stress relief

??? lol
 

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Jalugi said:
If you shot a gun horizontally from the earth and dropped a bullet at the same time/height which one would land first, if wind and curvature weren't an issue.
I see your QI quoting skills are imaculate...

My friend wants to know how the mechanics on a G18 (fully automatic) work
 

maninahat

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Can you still get double barrel shotguns (SxS configuration) with external hammers for cheap? I always though they were cool. Them and that Harpoon gun from Jaws.
 

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Mr. Gency said:
Mathurin said:
enzilewulf said:
If you got it for security did you hear of brinks?....
Yeah I have, the cops are 30 mins away, brinks wont do anything for me.
Out here in the woods we have dogs and guns, and amazingly little crime.
Maybe there is little crime because of the guns, dogs, etc.
Or because it's out in the woods.
 

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TheNumber1Zero said:
Mathurin said:
TheNumber1Zero said:
Have you ever shot your own foot?
No, whats the point of this question?
To see if you were a decent marksman or just some guy with a gun. If you never shot your own foot, your a decent marksman, if you had shot your foot, then the context of the incedent (Distraction, Lack of attention, Arm Spasm, Etc.) would decide what I thought of you. Rather simple really.

What's your opinion on Bolt Action rifles?
Happened to my Grandad during the war. He didn't shoot himself in the foot, but an ally did. In New York harbour, whilst they were on a warship in dock. The fucker accidently discharged the gun whilst it was pointing downwards, sending the bullet through the deck and into the munitions room below. Luckily, the bullet missed the cordite and warheads, but found its way into my Grandad's foot.

It healed quickly, and he forgot about it for the next 60 years before suprising us all with the story last year.
 

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Have you ever fired a rifle weapon using .50 Caliber BMG ammunition? If so, what was the kick like? Apparently a muzzle brake cuts the kickback by about 40%.

How loud is the .22 when it fires in an outdoor range? I'm thinking of getting one, and I've heard it's like a very loud clap.

If your life was in danger, do you think you could actually pull the trigger on another human?

How many rounds does your .22 hold?

Do you own/have you ever fired a fully automatic weapon?

Do you live in Texas, USA? Sorry, I just have to ask :p
 

Heathrow

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A debate I was having with my friend the other day.

He's written a character who uses Berettas with modified barrels to shoot higher caliber bullets in order to gain more stopping power. My friend's done this because he believes the Beretta is a generally superior handgun and that modifying it is a better option than buying a gun that's designed to fire higher caliber rounds from the start.

I have a few questions about this:

a) Is increasing caliber the most efficient way to get stopping power? (This is a zombie story my friend is writing so focusing on accuracy and well placed shots isn't going to do any good)

b) Is his theory about the modified Beretta being the best gun for the job even remotely sound?

c) If it is not could you recommend a better handgun for knocking zombies down?

d) Bonus question: would the more diffuse force from hollow point rounds affect stopping power at all?
 

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Actual said:
G-Dragon said:
Jalugi said:
Discon said:
If you shot a gun horizontally from the earth and dropped a bullet at the same time/height which one would land first, if wind and curvature weren't an issue.
the one that you shoot because it will reach terminal velocity faster/start at terminal velocity
Nope, they land at the same time. This is a very popular A-level (EDIT: this is an English college qualification) physics question designed to trick people into answering incorrectly.

The acceleration downward applied by gravity is affected in no way by the fact that a fired bullet is travelling horizontally.
You're right there.
But the aerodynamics of the bullet travelling through the air also provides a (albeit small) force counteracting the force on the bullet due to gravity.

So, after all, the bullet you simply drop will hit the ground first.
The only way they'd hit the ground at the same time is if you had an insanely long chamber with zero air pressure in it. Then you'd be correct, because there is no "air" for the bullets' aerodynamics.

EDIT: Though, you're right... Sometimes they'll ask this question in physics, but in some way stating that the bullet isn't affected by the "air", or that there's no air pressure, or something along those lines...
 

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jubosu said:
I am a gun enthusiast of my own sort.
I hunt,shoot targets, and the like.
I would just like to know your opinion.
Is there a feasible reason to own a Desert Eagle?
Why not, its just another pistol.

For me they are much to expensive to be worth owning for their limited role, but theres no reason not own them.


meoet said:
whats it like to be an enormous tool and think that you know everything about guns just because you have a couple of .22's and a mosin and you played call of duty?
I never played call of duty, and dont claim to know everything.
My personal firearms at this moment are not the only ones I have experience with.







maninahat said:
Mr. Gency said:
Mathurin said:
enzilewulf said:
If you got it for security did you hear of brinks?....
Yeah I have, the cops are 30 mins away, brinks wont do anything for me.
Out here in the woods we have dogs and guns, and amazingly little crime.
Maybe there is little crime because of the guns, dogs, etc.
Or because it's out in the woods.
Yeah, mostly because of sparse population



CloggedDonkey said:
do guns really have such low kick back you can run while shooting one? I have honestly wanted to know.
not sure how to.....
The recoil of a firearm can be heavy, but is not enough to slow a person down



shadow741 said:
What was your first gun, and when did you first shoot it?
a .22 nylon
probably around 8, I cant recall exactly
 

clutch-monkey

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CloggedDonkey said:
do guns really have such low kick back you can run while shooting one? I have honestly wanted to know.
ever been chased by a feral pig?

you really don't notice recoil. or noise even in some cases. and you cycle a bolt action ridiculously fast. lol
 

Mathurin

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Slayer_2 said:
Have you ever fired a rifle weapon using .50 Caliber BMG ammunition? If so, what was the kick like? Apparently a muzzle brake cuts the kickback by about 40%.
I have never shot one of those, would be awesome



Slayer_2 said:
How loud is the .22 when it fires in an outdoor range? I'm thinking of getting one, and I've heard it's like a very loud clap.
In a rifle its not loud at all, doesnt make the ears ring, louder in a pistol.

Louder than a human hand clap though, it will damage your hearing over time so if you get one I would use ear protection.


Slayer_2 said:
If your life was in danger, do you think you could actually pull the trigger on another human?
Yeah


Slayer_2 said:
How many rounds does your .22 hold?
mine is a 10-22, its accepts magazines of different sizes, the largest mag I have is 30 round, though one can purchase 50 round versions



Slayer_2 said:
Do you own/have you ever fired a fully automatic weapon?
Oddly enough I fired a full auto AK-74 at a military firing range in Kazakhstan, a friend of the commander was a friend of mine, it was fun.


Slayer_2 said:
Do you live in Texas, USA? Sorry, I just have to ask :p
Kansas, 2 states north of texas





Heathrow said:
A debate I was having with my friend the other day.

He's written a character who uses Berettas with modified barrels to shoot higher caliber bullets in order to gain more stopping power. My friend's done this because he believes the Beretta is a generally superior handgun and that modifying it is a better option than buying a gun that's designed to fire higher caliber rounds from the start.

I have a few questions about this:

a) Is increasing caliber the most efficient way to get stopping power? (This is a zombie story my friend is writing so focusing on accuracy and well placed shots isn't going to do any good)

b) Is his theory about the modified Beretta being the best gun for the job even remotely sound?

c) If it is not could you recommend a better handgun for knocking zombies down?

d) Bonus question: would the more diffuse force from hollow point rounds affect stopping power at all?
a) yeah, kinda. Stopping power is a rather subjective force, but in general its about the amount of force applied to the target. large calibers allow one to fire heavier bullets at lower velocities, thus reducing the chance of the bullet passing all the way through, hence every bit of force the bullet carries is transmitted to the opponent.
My limited understanding of zombies is that its not about knocking them down but about destroying the brain, so precision shots would be far better than brute force, though perhaps his story has specifics that differ.

b) not really, there are loads of handguns out there, so many that identifying the "best" is nearly impossible, I assume you mean the standard military pistol the berretta 92, if so there are many many pistols generally considered better.

c) Zombies i know about need to take a bullet to the brain to die, so personally I would use a bullpup .22 semi-auto rifle, low recoil and high accuracy, with enough power to get into the skull and screw up some grey matter.
However, if he is stuck on "stopping power" let him know that no firearm which a person can stand upright and fire will "knock down" a similar sized person, its a law of physics. But tell him that most any pistol firing a .45 acp will do well, HK, Springfield armory, or even the 1911 would work fine.

d) In that an expanding round prevents the bullet from passing totally through the body, hence wasting some of its energy, yes. They also tend to increase the shock of the wound, though thats less important with a zombie I would imagine.

nickster1 said:
does it make you feel more of a man?
No, it makes me feel wary, because I am holding something that can destroy life, nobody should take that lightly, I am careful with my firearms
 

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Mathurin said:
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My limited understanding of zombies is that its not about knocking them down but about destroying the brain, so precision shots would be far better than brute force, though perhaps his story has specifics that differ.
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I assume you mean the standard military pistol the berretta 92, if so there are many many pistols generally considered better.
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c) Zombies i know about need to take a bullet to the brain to die, so personally I would use a bullpup .22 semi-auto rifle, low recoil and high accuracy, with enough power to get into the skull and screw up some grey matter.
However, if he is stuck on "stopping power" let him know that no firearm which a person can stand upright and fire will "knock down" a similar sized person, its a law of physics. But tell him that most any pistol firing a .45 acp will do well, HK, Springfield armory, or even the 1911 would work fine.
The way he's constructed his 'zombieverse' the zombies are not controlled by any particular point in the body; so simply destroying grey matter has no effect on them at all. Hence the importance in his mind of "stopping power".

I think his idea was to have his characters use various swords and bludgeoning weapons to to catastrophic damage to the zombies causing them to lose any integrity and making them incapable of moving at all.

He's lined up a number of high caliber heavy weapons which we both agree will be effective but he's well rooted in video games and insists that none of his characters would go anywhere without a handgun as well in case of emergencies or jams. Hence he picked the Beretta which I thought was a silly choice. I will pass on your suggestions to him and I thank you for you time and thoughtful answers.
 

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Mathurin said:
jubosu said:
I am a gun enthusiast of my own sort.
I hunt,shoot targets, and the like.
I would just like to know your opinion.
Is there a feasible reason to own a Desert Eagle?
Why not, its just another pistol.

For me they are much to expensive to be worth owning for their limited role, but theres no reason not own them.
I get that but its slightly over powered for sheer home defense and dont give me bullshit that you go elephant hunting with it.
 

Mathurin

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jubosu said:
Mathurin said:
jubosu said:
I am a gun enthusiast of my own sort.
I hunt,shoot targets, and the like.
I would just like to know your opinion.
Is there a feasible reason to own a Desert Eagle?
Why not, its just another pistol.

For me they are much to expensive to be worth owning for their limited role, but theres no reason not own them.
I get that but its slightly over powered for sheer home defense and dont give me bullshit that you go elephant hunting with it.
Who decides what is overpowered for home defense?
Whats overpowered?
The desert eagle is mostly chambered in rounds that have been around for decades, the .357 magnum (formerly a common police round) and the .44 magnum.
It does also chamber the .50 AE, but its not that much better than the .44 magnum.

Lots of pistols fire the .44 magnum.

Not elephant, but the rounds it fires are capable of deer hunting.

I think the desert eagles fame has gotten the better of it, people think its some kind of uberpowerful gun, its not, its just another magnum handgun. Yes, some people buy it for its reputation, just as some people buy hummers, we can laugh at them for spending money on brand power alone but lets not lie to ourselves about the power of the items they buy.
 

clutch-monkey

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jubosu said:
Mathurin said:
jubosu said:
I am a gun enthusiast of my own sort.
I hunt,shoot targets, and the like.
I would just like to know your opinion.
Is there a feasible reason to own a Desert Eagle?
Why not, its just another pistol.

For me they are much to expensive to be worth owning for their limited role, but theres no reason not own them.
I get that but its slightly over powered for sheer home defense and dont give me bullshit that you go elephant hunting with it.
it would be useful for the ten pin shooting events as well as big bore competitions.
aside from that i don't see any practical use for it.. i find hunting with a handgun quite silly.
 

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Ummm... however trashy this sounds, I need to get rid of some "Varmints" (IE Rabbits & Squirrels) and was wondering whether I should use a pellet rifle or a 22.