Atheist Bible
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Say what? Thats an anti-theist argument? I always found that little conflict to be manufactured by young earth creationists. Even the Vatican admits that evolution is not in conflict with God.[/quote]caross73 said:
I've heard it from anti-theists who think that, by proving evolution, they are somehow proving God doesn't exist. Idiots are on both sides, no doubt.
Ah ah ah, I never said it couldn't eventually be proven. I was merely pointing out how it hasn't been proven. I point it out, because I often hear a lot of 'You can't prove God!' and I simply reply 'You can't prove origin of life!'. Both are unprovable, at this point, yet it's silly, to some, to believe in one yet not the other.Cheeze_Pavilion said:
Origin of life may very well be explained scientifically one day, then again it may not.
Proof of God's existence might arise in the future, then again it may not.
Again, just saying.
If you really don't believe, then it doesn't matter at ALL what a believer says. So there really is no need to belittle it is there?caross73 said:
You need another history lesson? There have been a few. I think Lincoln and Jefferson were atheists weren't they?caross73 said:
No, it damn well does matter when they are legislating based on their sky father mythology. I don't have any afterlife to console me about this life's tribulations. This one is all I've got and its very important to me.cuddly_tomato said:
I think I would have heard about that. I suspect they were deists who did lip service to Christianity in order to get elected. I know full well that no admitted atheist, even if he was a perfect candidate, would EVER get through the primaries, let alone the Presidency in the current climate, while guys like you lecture me on anti-theistic bigotry.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln_and_religion
For the record, Lincoln was an atheist and very vocal about it considering the times. Jefferson was a deist I think, though.caross73 said:
"That I am not a member of any Christian church is true; but I have never denied the truth of the Scriptures; and I have never spoken with intentional disrespect of religion in general, or of any denomination of Christians in particular... I do not think I could myself be brought to support a man for office whom I knew to be an open enemy of, or scoffer at, religion."
--A. Lincoln
--A. Lincoln
Yes, that is atheism. One doesn't have to attack, hate, or pour scorn onto religion in order to be an atheist.caross73 said:
As I have already shown, anti-religion is basically fundamentalist religion with a different skin. There is no difference from institutionalized atheism and a theocracy.
You are incorrect, sir. An atheist does deny the truth of the Scriptures.cuddly_tomato said:
Here's another Lincoln quote.
"In regard to this great book, I have but to say, it is the best gift God has given to man. All the good the Saviour gave to the world was communicated through this book. But for it we could not know right from wrong. All things most desirable for man?s welfare, here and hereafter, are to be found portrayed in it."
Those are not the words of someone who denies the existence of God.
What's your number?caross73 said:
Edit: I'm at work and can't actually remember what I was going to say, other than it was along the lines of "I'm all for witty diatribe, as long as I can dish it out without being called a hater." Anyway, coffee calls and this is going to be a bog otherwise.
And I quote:
"Those of us who are free from religion like to imagine a world where instead of wasting our best efforts on some unprovable afterlife, we humans could concentrate on leaving this world a better place for future generations. We should strive for 'heaven' here on earth," Dan Barker
That pretty much covers my moral beliefs (aka my bible). I do borrow liberally from the 10 commandments and various other religious morals to form the basis of my own morals, I then throw out all the contradicting bullcrap and I'm left with these few golden rules:
1) Don't do anything to others you wouldn't want done to you.
2) live and let live
3) Do onto others as you would have done to you
Rule 1 and Rule 3 are actually subtly different. Rule 1 is don't do something you wouldn't like done to you and Rule 3 is more of a "pay it forward". If everyone followed these three simple rules, the world would be a seriously better place, no stupid homophobia, no racism, and freedom to do whatever you want unless it hurt someone else.
"Those of us who are free from religion like to imagine a world where instead of wasting our best efforts on some unprovable afterlife, we humans could concentrate on leaving this world a better place for future generations. We should strive for 'heaven' here on earth," Dan Barker
That pretty much covers my moral beliefs (aka my bible). I do borrow liberally from the 10 commandments and various other religious morals to form the basis of my own morals, I then throw out all the contradicting bullcrap and I'm left with these few golden rules:
1) Don't do anything to others you wouldn't want done to you.
2) live and let live
3) Do onto others as you would have done to you
Rule 1 and Rule 3 are actually subtly different. Rule 1 is don't do something you wouldn't like done to you and Rule 3 is more of a "pay it forward". If everyone followed these three simple rules, the world would be a seriously better place, no stupid homophobia, no racism, and freedom to do whatever you want unless it hurt someone else.
Yeah, you've obviously thought about this way more than me. What was He going to do then?Cheeze_Pavilion said:
