Atheist Bible

[BNguyen]

I'm not saying that only Christians are in the right, anybody and everybody has the chance of being wrong, and I'm not saying, nor did I even mention that Christians were the only ones to be right. Atheists don't all burn puppies to death? Well neither do Christians, or any other sane persons. But all I'm saying is that if God decides to end the world, and he come to save those who believed in him, then how would athesists feel about seeing this.

You imply that is what you meant by the part in bold.

You suggest that God will save people based on those who believe as opposed to those that are good people. This was the point I was getting at.

Edit: By this logic, someone who has never heard of Christianity, but who spends their life helping others, respecting nature and staying faithful to their partner is not welcome in Heaven. Which does not make sense at all.

Even if you act good, you are not acknowledging the fact that you were given those gifts around you, such as a faithful partner, a good life, and the ability to help others. When you do not acknowledge that someone or something had given you that life, then I do not believe that you are welcome into Heaven.

 

[BNguyen]

I'm not saying that only Christians are in the right, anybody and everybody has the chance of being wrong, and I'm not saying, nor did I even mention that Christians were the only ones to be right. Atheists don't all burn puppies to death? Well neither do Christians, or any other sane persons. But all I'm saying is that if God decides to end the world, and he come to save those who believed in him, then how would athesists feel about seeing this.

You imply that is what you meant by the part in bold. You suggest that God will only care about those who believe in him as opposed to those that are good people.

Machines speaks the truth. Your god is not a great god if his mercy and benevolence only extends as far as those with "club membership".

His greatness does not extend to just those with "club membership" but to all people. He is great in the fact that you would not exist as who you are or in any other way without God. His mercy falls to all people, if it didn't, then would we still be standing here? Without his mercy, for every evil deed or even slightly bad thought, then we would just be struck down. Those who have "club membership" thank God for those second chances and for his gifts of life, love, and happiness.

 

[BNguyen]

The Pratchett quote wasn't absurd, not at all. The point is there is no such thing as morality where you don't get life. Life is in some way "special" in the way it is the only form of matter which actually defines its own existence. But in order to accept this "specialness" one needs to believe in it, if nothing else. Or it is merely just chemicals in your brain forcing you to think the way you do. Free will and independant thought are illusions created by those chemicals.[/quote]

Free will and independent thought are not illusions created by chemicals, emotions are not controlled by chemicals. The brain does not have chemicals to make you believe something, but rather it is like a memory bank and a machine that controls the functions of every part of us. If you believe that free will is just a chemical, then you must be a robot or something.

 

[Ignignoct]

I'm not saying that only Christians are in the right, anybody and everybody has the chance of being wrong, and I'm not saying, nor did I even mention that Christians were the only ones to be right. Atheists don't all burn puppies to death? Well neither do Christians, or any other sane persons. But all I'm saying is that if God decides to end the world, and he come to save those who believed in him, then how would athesists feel about seeing this.

You imply that is what you meant by the part in bold.

You suggest that God will save people based on those who believe as opposed to those that are good people. This was the point I was getting at.

Edit: By this logic, someone who has never heard of Christianity, but who spends their life helping others, respecting nature and staying faithful to their partner is not welcome in Heaven. Which does not make sense at all.

Even if you act good, you are not acknowledging the fact that you were given those gifts around you, such as a faithful partner, a good life, and the ability to help others. When you do not acknowledge that someone or something had given you that life, then I do not believe that you are welcome into Heaven.

"You aren't acknowledging the fact that you were given..."

He just said that he was talking of someone outside of Christianity. This causes your "acknowledge" argument to flop, as there is no one, or at least not the Judeo-Christian God, to acknowledge things to. Your argument, the Christianity argument, that good people go to Hell not based on their actions, but their religion, is the biggest reason why I left the church.

God gives all good things.

Satan/You causes all bad things.

God has a plan, except when you go against it, but it's okay because even if you go against God's Plan, it was all a part of God's Plan the entire time.

Many people go against God's Plan, and go to Hell for it, but by the way, God planned that too.

 

[LewsTherin]

Bloody hell.. I leave for a minute and what happens?

How about we ALL agree on this, belive in what you wan't AND respect others beliefs. See that isn't so hard, stop fighting and shut up.

But then who would we hate and blame and ridicule?

 

[Ignignoct]

I'm not saying that only Christians are in the right, anybody and everybody has the chance of being wrong, and I'm not saying, nor did I even mention that Christians were the only ones to be right. Atheists don't all burn puppies to death? Well neither do Christians, or any other sane persons. But all I'm saying is that if God decides to end the world, and he come to save those who believed in him, then how would athesists feel about seeing this.

You imply that is what you meant by the part in bold. You suggest that God will only care about those who believe in him as opposed to those that are good people.

Machines speaks the truth. Your god is not a great god if his mercy and benevolence only extends as far as those with "club membership".

His greatness does not extend to just those with "club membership" but to all people. He is great in the fact that you would not exist as who you are or in any other way without God. His mercy falls to all people, if it didn't, then would we still be standing here? Without his mercy, for every evil deed or even slightly bad thought, then we would just be struck down. Those who have "club membership" thank God for those second chances and for his gifts of life, love, and happiness.

Which is awesome, because the vast majority of human souls go to Hell, which is undeniably FAR WORSE than nonexistence.

Even if you cut it like, "You wouldn't be here without God, so just tell the police officer you fell down some stairs...", God's still malevolent in creating the system in which life is created, exists on earth for a fleeting blink of His eye, and then tortured for all eternity.

 

[cuddly_tomato]

I'm not saying that only Christians are in the right, anybody and everybody has the chance of being wrong, and I'm not saying, nor did I even mention that Christians were the only ones to be right. Atheists don't all burn puppies to death? Well neither do Christians, or any other sane persons. But all I'm saying is that if God decides to end the world, and he come to save those who believed in him, then how would athesists feel about seeing this.

You imply that is what you meant by the part in bold. You suggest that God will only care about those who believe in him as opposed to those that are good people.

Machines speaks the truth. Your god is not a great god if his mercy and benevolence only extends as far as those with "club membership".

His greatness does not extend to just those with "club membership" but to all people. He is great in the fact that you would not exist as who you are or in any other way without God. His mercy falls to all people, if it didn't, then would we still be standing here? Without his mercy, for every evil deed or even slightly bad thought, then we would just be struck down. Those who have "club membership" thank God for those second chances and for his gifts of life, love, and happiness.

But your earlier post seemed to indicate that people would suffer horribly for all eternity for having the audacity to not applaud him loud enough in life. Such an act is incongruous with the notion of a being without extreme narcissism, which is (as I understand it) one of deadly sins.

While I am happy for you in that you have a faith that gives you peace and something to live by, you should be careful about applying that to others. People who think differently than you can be just as noble, good, decent, and honest as any Christian you like. And claiming to be Christian doesn't mean a whole lot if you don't follow it through by actually being a good person and living your life with some humility and without the kind of ego that some of "the chosen" develop.

 

[USSR]

It would be one page long with one line: God does not exist...the end.

prove to me that God does not exist! Go on and try it.

Tell me all the attributes of your God and where I can find them, and I'll show you that place is empty. If you can't define your God in a testable fashion, then there's no reason to bother. I could be pointing right at him and you wouldn't know it. Either way, I have no more reason to believe your particular God than I do Krishna, Zoroaster, or any of the others.

Given an infinite number of possible Gods, and no evidence for any one of them, the probability of being right on a random pick -- a choice without evidence -- is as close to 0 as to be irrelevant. Nobody can prove there is no God with certainty, but I can tell you the odds.

I'm sorry, but you're in no place to talk. Don't down a belief, unless you can back up your own.

You have the same odds he does.

 

[NewGeekPhilosopher]

Technically Douglas Adams is a saint of Atheism since he was Richard Dawkins's first convert to atheism. I'm a Christian but that doesn't stop me from helping my atheist friend from creating a non-religious icon of Douglas Adams with an atom halo in Photoshop to subvert the dominance of Christian art at my school's Religious Art Prize exhibition. And I'm certainly not telling him he's going to hell for making me help him do it.

 

[Typecast]

Um. The only thing Atheists share, is lack of belief in any gods.

Anything else is not involved. I'm sort of amoral nihilist, but it's just my philosophical view on life that probably isn't shared by too many.

*high fives* shared by me

 

[caross73]

It would be one page long with one line: God does not exist...the end.

prove to me that God does not exist! Go on and try it.

Tell me all the attributes of your God and where I can find them, and I'll show you that place is empty. If you can't define your God in a testable fashion, then there's no reason to bother. I could be pointing right at him and you wouldn't know it. Either way, I have no more reason to believe your particular God than I do Krishna, Zoroaster, or any of the others.

Given an infinite number of possible Gods, and no evidence for any one of them, the probability of being right on a random pick -- a choice without evidence -- is as close to 0 as to be irrelevant. Nobody can prove there is no God with certainty, but I can tell you the odds.

I'm sorry, but you're in no place to talk. Don't down a belief, unless you can back up your own.

You have the same odds he does.

I don't think you understand probability. I have not made a positive claim. If I said, God is made of cheese, well then you could quibble and say Cheese God is just as unlikely as Yhwh, but I haven't even suggested the idea of god. Until I make a claim that flies against the evidence I have, I can't be wrong. In the absence of evidence, EVERY assumption you make above nothing, the empty set, is wrong. As soon as you start to describe God, you've gotten it wrong.

Its like claiming there is a secret martian base with exactly 13 martians in it on the far side of the moon. Saying there is no secret martian base with exactly 13 martians on the far side of the moon is reasonable in the absence of any evidence that there is one. We have no reason to expect a martian base on the far side of the moon. It makes far fewer assumptions, zero in fact. You wouldn't consider a person as crazy as the crackpot who says there IS a martian base, if he said, 'no, you're wrong, there isn't.'

Replace martian base with flower pot orbiting the sun, whatever. Its not even worth guessing about these things you have no data on because whatever you guess ... is bullshit.

 

[USSR]

It would be one page long with one line: God does not exist...the end.

prove to me that God does not exist! Go on and try it.

Tell me all the attributes of your God and where I can find them, and I'll show you that place is empty. If you can't define your God in a testable fashion, then there's no reason to bother. I could be pointing right at him and you wouldn't know it. Either way, I have no more reason to believe your particular God than I do Krishna, Zoroaster, or any of the others.

Given an infinite number of possible Gods, and no evidence for any one of them, the probability of being right on a random pick -- a choice without evidence -- is as close to 0 as to be irrelevant. Nobody can prove there is no God with certainty, but I can tell you the odds.

I'm sorry, but you're in no place to talk. Don't down a belief, unless you can back up your own.

You have the same odds he does.

I don't think you understand probability. I have not made a positive claim. If I said, God is made of cheese, well then you could quibble and say Cheese God is just as unlikely as Yhwh, but I haven't even suggested the idea of god. Until I make a claim, I can't be wrong. In the absence of evidence, EVERY assumption is wrong.

Its like claiming there is a secret martian base on the far side of the moon. Saying there is no secret martian base on the far side of the moon is reasonable in the absence of any evidence that there is one. It makes far fewer assumptions, zero in fact.

Ok Mr. Probability, use your own logic and tell me, Where the hell did everything start and how?

And after that, please state the probability of everything being created by a :god, big bang, ect..

After that explain how your probability on your theory is any higher than anyone else's.

I refuse to let people down my belief if they can't back up their own.

 

[caross73]

I don't have to give you an answer. I have no evidence to favor one conclusion over any other. There are an infinite number of ways the universe could have started. I don't know which way it was. I wasn't there. Maybe somebody has some evidence to suggest a way, but I don't know of anyone who can look beyond the beginning of time.

What you refuse to do is your problem. Bold text doesn't trump Bayesian epistemology.

There are an infinite number of ways to be wrong, only one way to be correct. You'd be a fool to make a claim you don't have any evidence for.

And if you insist, I will insist you tell me how God began. Its just as useless a question.

 

[LewsTherin]

I don't have to give you an answer. I have no evidence to favor one conclusion over any other. There are an infinite number of ways the universe could have started. I don't know which way it was. I wasn't there. Maybe somebody has some evidence to suggest a way, but I don't know of anyone who can look beyond the beginning of time.

What you refuse to do is your problem. Bold text doesn't trump Bayesian epistemology.

There are an infinite number of ways to be wrong, only one way to be correct. You'd be a fool to make a claim you don't have any evidence for.

And if you insist, I will insist you tell me how God began. Its just as useless a question.

If you concede the point of God's existence, rationally you could say he never began, but always was.

 

[caross73]

If you concede the point of God's existence, rationally you could saw he never began, but always was.

If you concede the Universe's existence, rationally you could say it never began, but always was.

Its turtles all the way down, dude.

 

[Ap07h30515]

Agnostic.

"I don't know nor care what you think you know because it dosen't really matter as long as your're a happy chap and leave me alone."

As for everthing else: censorship is wrong, bible codes are stupid, aliens aren't real but ghosts are, there are too many bloody people on earth, and something interesting will happen somewhere sometime in 2012. That is all.

 

[scoHish]

Atheists with a bible makes about as much sense as an organized meeting of anarchists...

 

[USSR]

I don't have to give you an answer. I have no evidence to favor one conclusion over any other. There are an infinite number of ways the universe could have started. I don't know which way it was. I wasn't there. Maybe somebody has some evidence to suggest a way, but I don't know of anyone who can look beyond the beginning of time.

What you refuse to do is your problem. Bold text doesn't trump Bayesian epistemology.

There are an infinite number of ways to be wrong, only one way to be correct. You'd be a fool to make a claim you don't have any evidence for.

And if you insist, I will insist you tell me how God began. Its just as useless a question.

Do you not understand English?
Ok dumbass, please refresh your definition of what the hell a belief is.

I know it is neither true nor false without evidence, but I believe it is true.

Also why they call it a religious "belief", not a religious "fact".

I am not saying my reason is any better than than yours to believe in,

I am telling you not to say my belief (or anyone else's) is incorrect, because you don't know it is.

"There are an infinite number of ways to be wrong, only one way to be correct. You'd be a fool to make a claim you don't have any evidence for." Really, because you seem to think the terms believe and fact are the same thing.

 

[BNguyen]

I'm not saying that only Christians are in the right, anybody and everybody has the chance of being wrong, and I'm not saying, nor did I even mention that Christians were the only ones to be right. Atheists don't all burn puppies to death? Well neither do Christians, or any other sane persons. But all I'm saying is that if God decides to end the world, and he come to save those who believed in him, then how would athesists feel about seeing this.

You imply that is what you meant by the part in bold.

You suggest that God will save people based on those who believe as opposed to those that are good people. This was the point I was getting at.

Edit: By this logic, someone who has never heard of Christianity, but who spends their life helping others, respecting nature and staying faithful to their partner is not welcome in Heaven. Which does not make sense at all.

Even if you act good, you are not acknowledging the fact that you were given those gifts around you, such as a faithful partner, a good life, and the ability to help others. When you do not acknowledge that someone or something had given you that life, then I do not believe that you are welcome into Heaven.

"You aren't acknowledging the fact that you were given..."

He just said that he was talking of someone outside of Christianity. This causes your "acknowledge" argument to flop, as there is no one, or at least not the Judeo-Christian God, to acknowledge things to. Your argument, the Christianity argument, that good people go to Hell not based on their actions, but their religion, is the biggest reason why I left the church.

God gives all good things.

Satan/You causes all bad things.

God has a plan, except when you go against it, but it's okay because even if you go against God's Plan, it was all a part of God's Plan the entire time.

Many people go against God's Plan, and go to Hell for it, but by the way, God planned that too.

Go ahead and call anybody who disagrees with you Satan, like anybody cares.
It's so stupid why we are arguing, believe what you want and I'll do the same, just don't go and make accusations that you can't prove and then try to tell someone that they're wrong we you don't know.