Atheist Bible

[CapnGod]

The funny thing about that AI is that it did things that surprised even the programmers.

 

[caross73]

Emergent behavior is very cool. I love it when I see it in my learning machines. I've had support vector machines discover things I missed in the data sets they were fed. Its not unusual behavior, just unanticipated. A result of complexity and our inability to anticipate it.

 

[shannon.archer]

i believe that atheists each have their own moral tome and that becuase of the disbelief in a ruling power such as god we achieve a further sense of freedom. we are ourselves not gods creature therefore humanity is what rules us not other influence. It is those that warp religion that do the most inhumane things.

However if you look at it it may be because atheists have nothing to live for but themselves so why do something that is not for yourself. although consiences get dragged into this

 

[Delicious]

I like how quite a few of you pointed out how the "Athiest Bible" is an oxymoron, but ignored how attempting to use logic to disprove faith is pretty much the same concept (in terms of ridiculousness that is).

 

[Lavi]

What I dislike in these threads is a hostility from both sides. It is like you MUST feel more correct than the previous poster. All everyone needs to remember is that they are not better than another human being because they believe something different!

As for an athiest bible, why bother? What is there to interpret (since I think that Bibles cannot be taken literally nor was that ever the intention) when the only belief is a lack of belief in something else? Also, organize a fad? No thanks. What do I mean by fad? How many teenagers become athiests? Honestly, a shitload. I was one till I realized all the stereotypes about the OTHER side were fucking bull. Don't over-estimate the Escapist community either, I see plenty of the stereotypes that drove me against what I felt as true (I was an athiest and now I am not).

Edit: Obviously, there are older athiests. Well, good on them since it wasn't a fad for em.

 

[Delicious]

I like how quite a few of you pointed out how the "Athiest Bible" is an oxymoron, but ignored how attempting to use logic to disprove faith is pretty much the same concept (in terms of ridiculousness that is).

Most faith has logic somewhere in it that is open to being shown invalid

Logic is kind of an all or nothing deal. For example, socks keep your feet warm. A man puts on socks becase he is cold and wants to be warm. He then walks into the middle of a blizzard.

Is that logical? No, despite how logical a part of it is.

So no, what you presented can not make my point invalid because what you stated could be applied to anything regardless of how logical said thing is.

 

[Lavi]

I like how quite a few of you pointed out how the "Athiest Bible" is an oxymoron, but ignored how attempting to use logic to disprove faith is pretty much the same concept (in terms of ridiculousness that is).

Most faith has logic somewhere in it that is open to being shown invalid

Logic is kind of an all or nothing deal. For example, socks keep your feet warm. A man puts on socks becase he is cold and wants to be warm. He then walks into the middle of a blizzard.

Is that logical? No, despite how logical a part of it is.

So no, what you presented can not make my point invalid because what you stated could be applied to anything regardless of how logical said thing is.

Logic must be subjective since I found your example perfectly logical. If you're cold and want to be warm, then go out into a blizzard, obviously you wanted to be warmer in the blizzard!

 

[caross73]

You only THINK the act of thinking proves you exist. That logic might be faulty if you are being kept in the dark. Maybe in fact, nothing can indeed think. Nothing being Not Something.

If nothing can't think, how can I think the act of thinking proves I exist?

If I do not exist, what is being kept in the dark?

Not really referencing the two towers, but what I meant was, you've been trained to think that only something is capable of thought, and since you think, therefor you are something. If in fact NOT something can think,

That's just playing with words. There's still a difference between the kind of "NOT something" that can think, and the kind of "NOT something" that cannot.

Not if the evil genius is tinkering with your syllogisms.

 

[CapnGod]

Go Evil Genius! Man, he is an awesome tool for rebutting, well, everything. Descartes made too powerful a force, I think. (Also, his "proofs" for god and reality? Weak.)

 

[NeverAiling]

BabyTea, I cannot bring myself to believe that your arguments actually satisfy you. Either you're duming it down because you think you have to, or you're deluding yourself.

Proofs do not exist for a biogenesis, or god, but both might some day? Realy.

I concede that, having no exact -or useful inexact, really- definition, 'god' may someday be proved. In the same sense that we may someday prove that rain is not created by clouds but is sky-fish urine.

Its technically possible that we may one day prove this. But making that argument has no use.

Much as your argument has no use. The point is that The God of The Christian Bible is patently false. We can CLEARLY prove that the world was not created in 6 days. We can CLEARLY demonstrate that women did not originate from ribs. We can CLEARLY show that the entire human race was not narrowed down to 8 inbreeds a few thousand years ago.

These are facts, by any useful definition.

And so is this: Observing that all physical objects in the universe share a common origin, we can SEE that there was life a point in time when life could not, in any form, have existed. We can SEE now that life does exist.

ERGO life arises from non-life. Though we do no know how, why, or when, it is, more than fact, a SIMPLE OBSERVATION that non-life gives rise to life.

 

[itsnotyouitsme]

Phail stamp. I used to be atheist but now im agnostic because there's less people
A: in the group
B: annoying me about my belief
C: asking for money.

im not sure how the last one fits but somehow the day i changed to agnostic less and less people have asked me for change.

 

[laserwulf]

I find it rather insulting when anyone says the Bible is required for morals, or questions where an atheist gets theirs from. We're (almost) all rational beings, and it doesn't take a priest/rabbi/imam/televangelist saying so for me to know that killing is wrong. Likewise, a person needs to base their morals on the world they're currently in, rather than strictly adhering to concepts from 200+ years ago. The bible makes no mention of drunk-dialing, but I think we call agree that it's stupid.

 

[LooK iTz Jinjo]

Yeah um last year I had to write an essay for year 11 Religion about the decline of Religion in day-to-day society. I wrote a bit about how Atheism was a contributing factor, being one myself, and upon marking my teacher got a bit of shock. He pulled me aside to ask me about it, but he also said that how could Atheism be a contributing factor when preaches it to you? He told me to go get a phonebook, and he showed me how there were no Atheist Clubs, Societies or Groups and said "People are just lazy..." I thought about this for a second before replying that Atheism is just that, its not a group, club, society or least of all organized religion. Just because it is listed as a Religion, does not make it one, it is merely a belief or really a lack of one. Atheism is not does not have any head office because we are not a group. Many Atheists, are Atheist because they do not like what has become of the massively organized major religions. Just look at the corruption in the Catholic Church, the richest organization on the planet, which pays $0 in taxes. If Atheists start having meetings and writing books thats when we become what so many of us hate.

 

[Baby Tea]

The point is that The God of The Christian Bible is patently false. We can CLEARLY prove that the world was not created in 6 days. We can CLEARLY demonstrate that women did not originate from ribs. We can CLEARLY show that the entire human race was not narrowed down to 8 inbreeds a few thousand years ago.

You using this to 'prove' that the God of Christianity is 'false' only belies your ignorance and misunderstandings of hermeneutics, theology, and Christianity.

Don't you hate it when creationists spout nonsense you know to be misrepresentations of science? Or when they say things about evolution that are completely not true? So too are you now doing the same thing with Christianity and the theology of that worldview. It's obvious you don't know much at all about Christianity, so try not act like you do.

Observing that all physical objects in the universe share a common origin, we can SEE that there was life a point in time when life could not, in any form, have existed. We can SEE now that life does exist.

ERGO life arises from non-life. Though we do no know how, why, or when, it is, more than fact, a SIMPLE OBSERVATION that non-life gives rise to life.

To quickly argue semantics, you can't really get 'more than fact' since a 'fact' is really a 100% certainty.

So let me get this straight: There wasn't life, now there is, therefore life came from nothing? Or, rather, 'non-life'? Despite absolutely no evidence to support that idea, and despite all science as we now know it saying it is impossible, you say that it's a 100% certain fact that life came from non-life?

But I, claiming God exists without any scientific evidence, am totally mistaken?
Well pardon me if I'm not convinced by your fantastic and well thought out argument.
My own existential experiences, philosophical wrestling, questions, answers, reading and learning have shown me that not only the existence of God is 100% fact, but that the God that exists is the God of the Bible who came in flesh as Jesus Christ, died for the salvation of sins of all mankind, and rose again to conquer death.
To you this, no doubt, seems like foolishness. And guess what? That's ok. In God giving me the freedom to believe, he's so given you the freedom to not believe. I'm not trying to convert anyone (I would argue I can't, but that's a totally different bucket of theology).
But I will fight for the rights of people to believe what they want without being looked down upon, or assumed to be morons. I don't care if you're an atheist, agnostic, Buddhist, Christian, Jew, Muslim, or whatever. Just respect each other.

We don't need to agree on who or what God is, or how many gods there are, or if God exists at all in order to get along and respect each other.

 

[cuddly_tomato]

Much as your argument has no use. The point is that The God of The Christian Bible is patently false. We can CLEARLY prove that the world was not created in 6 days. We can CLEARLY demonstrate that women did not originate from ribs. We can CLEARLY show that the entire human race was not narrowed down to 8 inbreeds a few thousand years ago.

These are facts, by any useful definition.

Really? Well we can CLEARLY prove that hardly anyone takes the Bible literally and we can CLEARLY prove that you are making strawman arguments because you seem to be implying that the majority of Christians do.

And so is this: Observing that all physical objects in the universe share a common origin, we can SEE that there was life a point in time when life could not, in any form, have existed. We can SEE now that life does exist.

ERGO life arises from non-life. Though we do no know how, why, or when, it is, more than fact, a SIMPLE OBSERVATION that non-life gives rise to life.

Erm... as the theophobes are so fond of saying... prove it. Prove that life comes from nothing. Test it in a lab and then get back to us, or else you have just another belief system, same as anyone else.