"Athiesm"

[Cuniculus]

Does it matter if an Atheist believes or knows there is no god? Who cares? The main argument here is that he doesn't like the Atheists who attack religion. Why is everyone hung up on terminology? Get over it.

Now for my attack.

It's easy for you to hate on us for slamming religion when you don't see it from our side. People who claim to be religious and never go to church, do drugs, and sleep with every woman they can get their hands on... then they have the arrogance to say that I'm going to hell because I don't believe in god. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

 

[iain62a]

plus you spelled atheism wrong.

You noticed

Atheism is an oddly spelt word.

A rule in english spelling is " i before e except after soft c"

I think that's how it goes anyway.

But yeah, Atheism doesn't follow that rule.

It's quite odd.

 

[Lexodus]

Another religion thread?
why is everyone so obsessed with this?

Because it's a major topic and is relevant to real life.

 

[Travdelosmuertos]

Indeed it shall not end well. Especially when the two religions guilty of the most horrific crimes humanity ha ever known still run rampant (islam and christianity, or is it just *coincidence* that these two religions just happened to spawn the most evil people in history?)

Hitler and Stalin wear atheists when they actually committed the acts that made them infamous. Did you and I just start the flame war on purpose?

yes but stalin was not doing what he did in the name of atheism and hitler wasnt an atheist

It's widely acknowledged that Hitler believed in some form of spiritual realm, as evidenced by his obsession with the occult. The swastika is pulled right from the writings of a pagan white supremacist whose name evades me at the present. Also, Nazi soldiers wore belt buckles with the etching "God with Us". If Hitler were anti-theist, that would not be there. It is more likely that Hitler shut down churches whose beliefs were contrary to his own, including synagogues, catholic churches and any protestant church who opposed his beliefs. I don't know exactly, however.

 

[Lexodus]

Does it matter if an Atheist believes or knows there is no god? Who cares? The main argument here is that he doesn't like the Atheists who attack religion. Why is everyone hung up on terminology? Get over it.

Now for my attack.

It's easy for you to hate on us for slamming religion when you don't see it from our side. People who claim to be religious and never go to church, do drugs, and sleep with every woman they can get their hands on... then they have the arrogance to say that I'm going to hell because I don't believe in god. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

Or, let he who is without sin kick the first ass.

 

[Lexodus]

And well done to the guy who used Godwin a few posts above.

 

[Cuniculus]

Does it matter if an Atheist believes or knows there is no god? Who cares? The main argument here is that he doesn't like the Atheists who attack religion. Why is everyone hung up on terminology? Get over it.

Now for my attack.

It's easy for you to hate on us for slamming religion when you don't see it from our side. People who claim to be religious and never go to church, do drugs, and sleep with every woman they can get their hands on... then they have the arrogance to say that I'm going to hell because I don't believe in god. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

Or, let he who is without sin kick the first ass.

Well sure, if you want to put it into modern terms.

 

[Rolling Thunder]

I can see this topic attracting more flames than Dresden in 1944.

 

[DP-Preacher]

One of my closer friends once told me that if you do not firmly believe in a god, you are an Atheist. There are varieties of Atheism though, which he called the "Strong" and "Weak" varieties. A "strong" Atheist is someone who firmly believes there is no God, where a "weak" Atheist is someone who does not know if there is a God. Frequently those who would fall into his "weak" Atheist classification identify themselves as Agnostic, because that tends to be viewed as less 'immoral' than identifying yourself as an Atheist.

Another tidbit: In a survey conducted a few years ago (the source escapes me, sorry), it was shown that the majority of the American population trusts Atheists the least of any group. The survey had multiple choices, including Muslims, Christians, Jews, African-Americans, Gays, Asians, etc., and there has been some speculation to the idea that many of the people chose Atheists as their least-trusted group because they did not want to appear immoral when they actually trusted members of other groups less.

The more you know.

 

[richard misiak]

I will not lie, I have come here to gripe.

The gripe is those who call themselves or others 'Athiests' and seem to have no idea what the word means.

Athiesm is the non-belief in a God based purely on scientific fact and logic. Many do not believe in a God due to these exact reasons. These people call themselves 'Athiests', quite rightly.

But then I see these self-proclaimed 'Athiests' declaring "There is no God", "X religion is bullshit" ect. ect.

This isn't Athiesm.
...

/gripe

how is that any different from theists declaring there is a god?

 

[Bluebacon]

plus you spelled atheism wrong.

You noticed

Atheism is an oddly spelt word.

A rule in english spelling is " i before e except after soft c"

I think that's how it goes anyway.

But yeah, Atheism doesn't follow that rule.

It's quite odd.

It's a really silly rule. Protein doesn't follow it either. And neither does neither

 

[Caliostro]

Atheists =/= Agnostics there mate.

 

[Cpt_Oblivious]

I'm a proper atheist and yea, religion bashing sucks. But people have to attack something whether it's Halo, Religion or some other crap.

Also: Flame War incoming!

You know what's really sad? Is that people on this forum attack Halo with the same ferocity that they attack other's religious beliefs.

I'm surprised they don't get them confused and just attack "Haloism" or something.

 

[DP-Preacher]

D
Now for my attack.

It's easy for you to hate on us for slamming religion when you don't see it from our side. People who claim to be religious and never go to church, do drugs, and sleep with every woman they can get their hands on... then they have the arrogance to say that I'm going to hell because I don't believe in god. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

Or, let he who is without sin kick the first ass.

Well sure, if you want to put it into modern terms.

Isn't in in scripture that if you accept Jesus as your savior (for Christianity, anyway), you are guaranteed a spot in heaven? Isn't a large part of the 'last rites' denouncing the devil and accepting Jesus as your savior?

People can be as immoral as they want as long as they believe in Jesus! What a lovely world we live in.

 

[ThrobbingEgo]

*gripe*

Why is an atheist telling me that I can't believe there isn't a god?

Not believing in a god's existence can encompass believing gods don't exist. This is sometimes referred to as Strong Atheism. Not believing, or knowing, whether or not gods may exist is usually referred to as Agnostic - though it can also be considered atheism.

There are rational reasons why I would believe a god is not the best explanation for morality, the universe, or life. There are rational reasons why I may be quite sure that there are not supernatural agents. For example, you may have a very rational reason to believe, with all certainty, that magical leprechauns don't exist. We can have practical certainty, even if something is never "technically" disprovable.

I'm not knocking religion - in this post, at least - but don't impose your belief system on me without expecting a rebuttal.

Why do you insist your non-committal disbelief is correct, while my certain disbelief is wrong?

 

[Cuniculus]

plus you spelled atheism wrong.

You noticed

Atheism is an oddly spelt word.

A rule in english spelling is " i before e except after soft c"

I think that's how it goes anyway.

But yeah, Atheism doesn't follow that rule.

It's quite odd.

It's a really silly rule. Protein doesn't follow it either. And neither does neither

Ahem. The rule is, I before E except after C or when sounding like A and in neighbor or weight.

Though there are always exceptions other then that. English is effed up.

 

[DP-Preacher]

One of my closer friends once told me that if you do not firmly believe in a god, you are an Atheist. There are varieties of Atheism though, which he called the "Strong" and "Weak" varieties. A "strong" Atheist is someone who firmly believes there is no God, where a "weak" Atheist is someone who does not know if there is a God. Frequently those who would fall into his "weak" Atheist classification identify themselves as Agnostic, because that tends to be viewed as less 'immoral' than identifying yourself as an Atheist.

Your friend's weak Atheist is Agnostic, that's pretty much it.

Just a different way of defining the same thing. Agnostic, given its definition, is far more clear and concise (and my personal preference when describing people like that).

 

[TheHorizon]

(directed at the OP)

You sir, are a moron.

Belief IS knowlege. Just subjective knowlege.
You look up and see the sky is "blue".

But how do you know your blue is the right blue? Maybe your blue is everyone else's purple?

To you your blue is fact.